Taste of Syracuse / State Fair Canceled

[JeremyCuse]

People are not gonna sit on their hands in their homes all summer. Maybe till Memorial Day but buy 4th July no way. You wanna cancel big public events/gatherings for the Summer fine. But you have better have things reopened least depending on Region based for people to go out and do (with precautions and modifications built in) The point is you can't keep people locked in their homes all summer only able to go out for groceries, certain errands, and doctor apointments.

I don't necessarily disagree but was just sharing what Cuomo announced today. His point was that if the State Fair is open and NYC/Westchester and other parts of the state are still closed your going to get a huge influx of people from affected areas to here and cause a huge spike. Now I am not sure that a ton of people from NYC would actually do that but I get the point he's making.

I see your end of it as well but it appears that so far NY and the local governments are doing exactly that ie shutting most big events down. Most festivals that were scheduled for May and June have already been canceled and those that haven't been are pretty much canceled just not officially (Nationals). I don't see anyway they go forward with the Fair either as that will surely be canceled probably sometime next month. Public pools in NYC have already been noted as closed for the entire summer (pretty sure I read that) and I don't doubt the rest of the state is forthcoming. No idea on a place like Enchanted Forest or Zoos etc but again I don't see anything like that being opened by NY anytime soon either. Same for places like Green Lakes or Oneida Shores or Sylvan Beach but based on what I heard today I wouldn't hold my breath on any beaches. I agree that people won't stay cooped up all summer but at this rate I don't know where there going to go outside of parks and trails.

 

[CuseRunner]

I don't necessarily disagree but was just sharing what Cuomo announced today. His point was that if the State Fair is open and NYC/Westchester and other parts of the state are still closed your going to get a huge influx of people from affected areas to here and cause a huge spike. Now I am not sure that a ton of people from NYC would actually do that but I get the point he's making.

I see your end of it as well but it appears that so far NY and the local governments are doing exactly that ie shutting most big events down. Most festivals that were scheduled for May and June have already been canceled and those that haven't been are pretty much canceled just not officially (Nationals). I don't see anyway they go forward with the Fair either as that will surely be canceled probably sometime next month. Public pools in NYC have already been noted as closed for the entire summer (pretty sure I read that) and I don't doubt the rest of the state is forthcoming. No idea on a place like Enchanted Forest or Zoos etc but again I don't see anything like that being opened by NY anytime soon either. Same for places like Green Lakes or Oneida Shores or Sylvan Beach but based on what I heard today I wouldn't hold my breath on any beaches. I agree that people won't stay cooped up all summer but at this rate I don't know where there going to go outside of parks and trails.

I agree prob for this year should nix or postpone any big gathering like events this spring or summer (maybe some can be postponed till fall) But let people of this Region get out of their homes go out for a night on the town for dinner and drinks. Let people go out to public pools parks to swim play soccer football basketball. Like I said I give it till June 1st before people are gonna say I'm gonna go out and take my chances. People from outside the region like from NYC Tristate area or other states are not gonna drive 5 plus hours to come to CNY because public pools are open to swim, parks are open to play basketball, soccer, or football etc, or because they can go out and have dinner and drinks in an establishment.

You can implement safeguards and guidelines. The Govenor seems to discount the mental health aspect of keeping people removed from society. Theres not reason our region of CNY can't begin a gradual restart on May 15th and have returned to some sense of normalcy by official start of summer in late June.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I agree prob for this year should nix or postpone any big gathering like events this spring or summer (maybe some can be postponed till fall) But let people of this Region get out of their homes go out for a night on the town for dinner and drinks. Let people go out to public pools parks to swim play soccer football basketball. Like I said I give it till June 1st before people are gonna say I'm gonna go out and take my chances. People from outside the region like from NYC Tristate area or other states are not gonna drive 5 plus hours to come to CNY because public pools are open to swim, parks are open to play basketball, soccer, or football etc, or because they can go out and have dinner and drinks in an establishment.

You can implement safeguards and guidelines. The Govenor seems to discount the mental health aspect of keeping people removed from society. Theres not reason our region of CNY can't begin a gradual restart on May 15th and have returned to some sense of normalcy by official start of summer in late June.

I agree that by a certain part this summer people are just gonna throw up their hands (its inevitable) but again I am not sure where there going to go and "take their chances" as you noted and that may be by design. Syracuse and the surrounding area appears posed to start some re-opening or unpausing on 5/15 but the details on what that entails have been extremely vague. Sounds like some businesses could re-open but judging by all the caveats Cuomo outlined today restaurants, bars and entertainment venues don't appear to be on that initial track or most of them anyway. All large festivals and gathers have been or will be canceled as we discussed and most public parks are open to walk in but a lot of access areas and bathroom and facilities are all closed and don't appear to be opening up anytime soon.

The city has taken down all basketball rims and and as I noted it doesn't appear beaches or other areas are likely to open anytime soon. Based on Cuomos's remarks it seems anything entertainment wise he is going with "all of the state or none of the state", if that's true even areas like Syracuse that partially open back up will still likely have most entertainment areas, facilities and business still closed down. Going to be very interesting to see how things look in June and July around here and the rest of the state.

 

[UpstateSM]

No idea on a place like Enchanted Forest or Zoos etc but again I don't see anything like that being opened by NY anytime soon either. Same for places like Green Lakes or Oneida Shores or Sylvan Beach but based on what I heard today I wouldn't hold my breath on any beaches. I agree that people won't stay cooped up all summer but at this rate I don't know where there going to go outside of parks and trails.

Man I hadn't even considered how devastating this could be to Old Forge. July 4th up there is a staple of my summers

 

[CuseRunner]

I agree that by a certain part this summer people are just gonna throw up their hands (its inevitable) but again I am not sure where there going to go and "take their chances" as you noted and that may be by design. Syracuse and the surrounding area appears posed to start some re-opening or unpausing on 5/15 but the details on what that entails have been extremely vague. Sounds like some businesses could re-open but judging by all the caveats Cuomo outlined today restaurants, bars and entertainment venues don't appear to be on that initial track or most of them anyway. All large festivals and gathers have been or will be canceled as we discussed and most public parks are open to walk in but a lot of access areas and bathroom and facilities are all closed and don't appear to be opening up anytime soon.

The city has taken down all basketball rims and and as I noted it doesn't appear beaches or other areas are likely to open anytime soon. Based on Cuomos's remarks it seems anything entertainment wise he is going with "all of the state or none of the state", if that's true even areas like Syracuse that partially open back up will still likely have most entertainment areas, facilities and business still closed down. Going to be very interesting to see how things look in June and July around here and the rest of the state.

The Region Restraunts (Like Armory Square), Bars (Like my Nieghborhood bar), or a chain of local Gyms, Barber Shops and Salons Spas for example. All Business that people own and employee people are not gonna draw people from NYC Tri State area or other regions or from neighborhood states. And Entertainment venue is something like Destiny USA that i could see being kept closed for now. But in that same breath the Govenor also said some Casinos (Entertainment Venues) might be allowed to reopen.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The Region Restraunts (Like Armory Square), Bars (Like my Nieghborhood bar), or a chain of local Gyms, Barber Shops and Salons Spas for example. All Business that people own and employee people are not gonna draw people from NYC Tri State area or other regions or from neighborhood states. And Entertainment venue is something like Destiny USA that i could see being kept closed for now. But in that same breath the Govenor also said some Casinos (Entertainment Venues) might be allowed to reopen.

I hear ya, just dont know the ETA on really any of those businesses re-opening. I did hear him mention Casinos but he noted they would have to meet a lot different restrictions and regulations in regards to social distancing that I think most casinos would struggle to adopt. Gyms barber shops and salons seem like they could be in an initial wave opening or shortly thereafter but no idea on restaurants or bars. Destiny is a good question as well.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Man I hadn't even considered how devastating this could be to Old Forge. July 4th up there is a staple of my summers

Consider that all camping I believe through May has been cancelled as well. There are other things to do up there as well but if most businesses are closed that region is going to take a massive hit. Seems unlikely Enchanted Forest will re-open this summer to be honest.

 

[CuseRunner]

I hear ya, just dont know the ETA on really any of those businesses re-opening. I did hear him mention Casinos but he noted they would have to meet a lot different restrictions and regulations in regards to social distancing that I think most casinos would struggle to adopt. Gyms barber shops and salons seem like they could be in an initial wave opening or shortly thereafter but no idea on restaurants or bars. Destiny is a good question as well.

He needs to unveil a plan of Guidelines/Criterias for reopening of NY State (By Region or State as a whole) like the Whitehouse Released with Phases 1 2 3 and what business and such follow under which phases with guidelines criterias and periods in between phases.

But you see my overall point. Why should we the people of CNY have our lives on hold because we happen to be in the same state as the the epicenter NYC Tri-State. We don't want to be treated and under the same as NYC Tri-State. We should be able to begin gradual phases of reopening and getting back our lives here in CNY.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Are they still going to go ahead with 4th of July fireworks or pass this year.
Obv we know they can still do it but people will congregate and that’ll cause issues.
And they can put out statements not to go but it’s still super risky.

Some have been canceled but others remain on for now. I would suspect most will probably cancel because the few that stay will get overwhelmed. Brewerton and East Syracuse for example are clusters on just a regular year less this year with all this going on.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[CuseRunner]

Might have made the call a day to early. Trump Announces he Won't Extend Social Distancing Guidelines

Coronavirus response: Trump says he won’t extend social distancing guidelines

Trump's son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, predicted that by July the country will be “really rocking again.”

www.syracuse.com

The New Normal is gonna look a lot like the Old Normal.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Might have made the call a day to early. Trump Announces he Won't Extend Social Distancing Guidelines

Coronavirus response: Trump says he won’t extend social distancing guidelines

Trump's son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, predicted that by July the country will be “really rocking again.”

www.syracuse.com

The New Normal is gonna look a lot like the Old Normal.

Trump doesn't run New York State.

 

[CuseRunner]

Trump doesn't run New York State.

Social Distancing will be fading out thats what hits me. I could go without the fair or large events like that for a summer if be if it means a return the the old normal.

 

[CuseRunner]

Trump doesn't run New York State.

Its been a few years since I was in Goverment class but the President of the United States has more power than Governor of a State. These are Federal issued Guidelines to phase out Social Distancing.

"The Country Will be Really rocking again come July" adviser to the President Jared Kushner.

Your not gonna have mass Social distancing in NY State while the rest of the country is back to life as normal. Just saying people will be fleeing NY State and even Coumo knows this.

I would sacrafice the fair syracuse nationals for one summer etc for phased out social distancing and return to normal.

Btw, there was an article in the NY Times last week that NY State could begin easing Social Distancing restrictions by start of June according to the models and projections.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We had 4 weddings and 5 concerts this summer. One wedding has been moved and one concert postponed so far. I expect "maybe" the wedding in Colorado in October to remain.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Its been a few years since I was in Goverment class but the President of the United States has more power than Governor of a State. These are Federal issued Guidelines to phase out Social Distancing.

"The Country Will be Really rocking again come July" adviser to the President Jared Kushner.

Your not gonna have mass Social distancing in NY State while the rest of the country is back to life as normal. Just saying people will be fleeing NY State and even Coumo knows this.

I would sacrafice the fair syracuse nationals for one summer etc for phased out social distancing and return to normal.

Btw, there was an article in the NY Times last week that NY State could begin easing Social Distancing restrictions by start of June according to the models and projections.

10th Amendment.

Trump and Jared can issue all the guidelines they want, the Governors of each state have the final say.

 

[orange79]

Its been a few years since I was in Goverment class but the President of the United States has more power than Governor of a State. These are Federal issued Guidelines to phase out Social Distancing.

"The Country Will be Really rocking again come July" adviser to the President Jared Kushner.

Your not gonna have mass Social distancing in NY State while the rest of the country is back to life as normal. Just saying people will be fleeing NY State and even Coumo knows this.

I would sacrafice the fair syracuse nationals for one summer etc for phased out social distancing and return to normal.

Btw, there was an article in the NY Times last week that NY State could begin easing Social Distancing restrictions by start of June according to the models and projections.

It has most obviously been a few years.

Governors have the power here.

 

[CuseRunner]

10th Amendment.

Trump and Jared can issue all the guidelines they want, the Governors of each state have the final say.

It has most obviously been a few years.

Governors have the power here.

I suspect even if it takes longer due to the epicenter NYC of the virus. Social Distancing will eventually gradually be phased out still. You can have NY State life being social distancing life as normal till end of time while the other 49 states eventually return to life as normal.

Watch the rate of people and business (especially in NYC) that will flee the state and not come back then.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I suspect even if it takes longer due to the epicenter NYC of the virus. Social Distancing will eventually gradually be phased out still. You can have NY State life being social distancing life as normal till end of time while the other 49 states eventually return to life as normal.

Watch the rate of people and business (especially in NYC) that will flee the state and not come back then.

I work in NYS and my company is going to remain wfh well after the governor lifts his restrictions. We aren't moving out of the state either.

 

[CuseRunner]

I work in NYS and my company is going to remain wfh well after the governor lifts his restrictions. We aren't moving out of the state either.

There has to be a Region by Region (as far as NY State) differences when it comes to Social Distancing Guidelines and Reopening. We here in CNY don't need the same guidelines that would apply to NYC Tri-State.

 

[Cusefan0307]

There has to be a Region by Region (as far as NY State) diffences when it comes to Social Distancing Guidelines and Reopening. We here in CNY don't need the same guidelines that would apply to NYC Tri-State.

Well it's happening. I can't speak for small businesses, but large institutions are always going to be risk averse and err on the side of caution.

 

[CuseRunner]

Well it's happening. I can't speak for small businesses, but large institutions are always going to be risk averse and err on the side of caution.

Coumo needs to unveil his plans for phased openings (For the State or by Region). Each Phases which what businesses fall under each phase and guidelines that go with those business reopening must use. Like the Reopen America Guidelines the President issued.

The majority of people are non essential business owners and workers. These people need to know when they can possibly return to work under which phases. He constanly ignores and be littles the non essential employee in this daily briefings.

 

[maxxyz]

Coumo needs to unveil his plans for phased openings (For the State or by Region). Each Phases which what businesses fall under each phase and guidelines that go with those business reopening must use. Like the Reopen America Guidelines the President issued.

You're having a tough couple days on this thread.
Cuomo released his plan earlier this week. You may not like it, but he's presented it and has been pretty open about what it would take for weeks.

Spoilers - He doesn't give a date, he gives data qualifications. And he doesn't make it a NY State opening plan, its regional.

Cuomo's 12 step program:

1. CDC Guidelines: Based on CDC recommendations, once a region experiences a 14-day decline in the hospitalization rate they may begin a phased re-opening.

2. Industries: Businesses in each region will re-open in phases. Phase one will include opening construction and manufacturing functions with low risk. Phase two will open certain industries based on priority and risk level. Businesses considered "more essential" with inherent low risks of infection in the workplace and to customers will be prioritized, followed by other businesses considered "less essential" or those that present a higher risk of infection spread. Regions must not open attractions or businesses that would draw a large number of visitors from outside the local area.

3. Business Precautions: Each business and industry must have a plan to protect employees and consumers, make the physical work space safer and implement processes that lower risk of infection in the business.

4. Building Health Care Capacity: To maintain the phased re-opening plan, each region must have at least 30 percent of hospital beds and ICU beds available after elective surgeries resume.

5. Testing Regimen: Regions must implement a testing regimen that prioritizes symptomatic persons and individuals who came into contact with a known COVID-positive person, and conducts frequent tests of frontline and essential workers. Regions must maintain an appropriate number of testing sites to accommodate its population and must fully advertise where and how people can get tested. The region must also use the collected data to track and trace the spread of the virus.

6. Tracing System: There must be at least 30 contact tracers for every 100,000 people. The region must also monitor the regional infection rate throughout the re-opening plan.

7. Isolation Facilities: Regions must present plans to have rooms available for people who test positive for COVID-19 and who cannot self-isolate.

8. Regional Coordination: Regions must coordinate the re-opening of schools, transportation systems, testing and tracing with other surrounding regions.

9. Re-imagining Tele-Medicine

10. Re-imagining Tele-Education

11. Regional Control Rooms: Each region must appoint an oversight institution as its control room to monitor regional indicators during the phased re-opening, including hospital capacity, rate of infection, PPE burn rate and businesses.

12. Protect and Respect Essential Workers: Regions must continue to ensure protections are in place for essential workers.

Cuomo also announced the creation of the New York Forward Re-Opening Advisory Board to help guide the state's re-opening strategy.

 

[CuseRunner]

You're having a tough couple days on this thread.
Cuomo released his plan earlier this week. You may not like it, but he's presented it and has been pretty open about what it would take for weeks.

Spoilers - He doesn't give a date, he gives data qualifications. And he doesn't make it a NY State opening plan, its regional.

Cuomo's 12 step program:

1. CDC Guidelines: Based on CDC recommendations, once a region experiences a 14-day decline in the hospitalization rate they may begin a phased re-opening.

2. Industries: Businesses in each region will re-open in phases. Phase one will include opening construction and manufacturing functions with low risk. Phase two will open certain industries based on priority and risk level. Businesses considered "more essential" with inherent low risks of infection in the workplace and to customers will be prioritized, followed by other businesses considered "less essential" or those that present a higher risk of infection spread. Regions must not open attractions or businesses that would draw a large number of visitors from outside the local area.

3. Business Precautions: Each business and industry must have a plan to protect employees and consumers, make the physical work space safer and implement processes that lower risk of infection in the business.

4. Building Health Care Capacity: To maintain the phased re-opening plan, each region must have at least 30 percent of hospital beds and ICU beds available after elective surgeries resume.

5. Testing Regimen: Regions must implement a testing regimen that prioritizes symptomatic persons and individuals who came into contact with a known COVID-positive person, and conducts frequent tests of frontline and essential workers. Regions must maintain an appropriate number of testing sites to accommodate its population and must fully advertise where and how people can get tested. The region must also use the collected data to track and trace the spread of the virus.

6. Tracing System: There must be at least 30 contact tracers for every 100,000 people. The region must also monitor the regional infection rate throughout the re-opening plan.

7. Isolation Facilities: Regions must present plans to have rooms available for people who test positive for COVID-19 and who cannot self-isolate.

8. Regional Coordination: Regions must coordinate the re-opening of schools, transportation systems, testing and tracing with other surrounding regions.

9. Re-imagining Tele-Medicine

10. Re-imagining Tele-Education

11. Regional Control Rooms: Each region must appoint an oversight institution as its control room to monitor regional indicators during the phased re-opening, including hospital capacity, rate of infection, PPE burn rate and businesses.

12. Protect and Respect Essential Workers: Regions must continue to ensure protections are in place for essential workers.

Cuomo also announced the creation of the New York Forward Re-Opening Advisory Board to help guide the state's re-opening strategy.

Your missing my point. Look at the Opening Up America Again Opening Up America Again | The White House

It has Phase by Phase with specific business and guidelines (Like Gyms, Salons Barber Shops, Spas, Restraunt/Bars etc) and what phases they fall under and how. Coumo hasn't mentioned any specific non essential business. The people want to know when and how their non essential business can open an idea least.

Thats all I'm saying. Like to know when we can have our lives back in CNY.