Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC

[Alsacs]

So which schools in the ACC are AAU schools?

Duke
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia

We used to be a member till 2011.
I think the VA partnership Syracuse did for mental health for soldiers is part of a play to get back into the AAU.

 

[Whitey23]

So which schools in the ACC are AAU schools?

Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922)
University of Pittsburgh (1974)
University of Virginia (1904)
Duke University (1938)

https://www.aau.edu/sites/default/files/AAU-Files/Who-We-Are/AAU-Member-List.pdf

 

[oldpinepoint]

Duke
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia

We used to be a member till 2011.
I think the VA partnership Syracuse did for mental health for soldiers is part of a play to get back into the AAU.

Thanks Nancy

 

[JimBoston]

Compare the ACC and SEC conference schools and tell me who has more media value:

ACC/SEC

Clemson/Alabama
Florida State/Texas
North Carolina/Florida
Virginia/Georgia
Miami/LSU
Georgia Tech/Oklahoma
Virginia Tech/Texas A&M
NC State/Tennessee
Duke/Auburn
Louisville/Arkansas
Syracuse/Missouri
Pitt/Kentucky
BC/Ole Miss
Wake Forest/South Carolina


SEC has 12 state flagship universities and the ACC has 2. The Big 10 has 11 state flagship universities. That is the challenge that the ACC has in order to keep up with the media value of the SEC and Big 10.

 

[WoadBlue]

Back when Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma St were talking to the Pac 10, the ACC should have added them. The Oklahoma St Billionaire would have kicked in money. But we didn't have a Commissioner who was proactive. Now it's too late.

You are wrong. Swofford talked extensively with Texas, because he knew Texas would make the decision. Before A&M left for the SEC, the ACC warned Texas that A&M would never join the Pac and suggested that A&M might join the ACC, because of schools like GT, VT, and Clemson. The ACC would have taken 4 Big 12 schools then. After Aggie went SEC, the ACC talked to Texas a couple of times - Texas knew that the ACC would take it and OU or Texas and TCU or Baylor, etc.

 

[WoadBlue]

Compare the ACC and SEC conference schools and tell me who has more media value:

ACC/SEC

Clemson/Alabama
Florida State/Texas
North Carolina/Florida
Virginia/Georgia
Miami/LSU
Georgia Tech/Oklahoma
Virginia Tech/Texas A&M
NC State/Tennessee
Duke/Auburn
Louisville/Arkansas
Syracuse/Missouri
Pitt/Kentucky
BC/Ole Miss
Wake Forest/South Carolina


SEC has 12 state flagship universities and the ACC has 2. The Big 10 has 11 state flagship universities. That is the challenge that the ACC has in order to keep up with the media value of the SEC and Big 10.

Correct.

 

[WoadBlue]

His lack of understanding is what will kill the ACC. To much power in the hands of the North Carolina schools, was shortsided, and being previously at North Carolina.

Swofford retired because his wife kept demanding it and because he felt that perhaps a new commissioner with ties to the midwest and private schools could better woo ND to go full member in football.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Compare the ACC and SEC conference schools and tell me who has more media value:

ACC/SEC

Clemson/Alabama
Florida State/Texas
North Carolina/Florida
Virginia/Georgia
Miami/LSU
Georgia Tech/Oklahoma
Virginia Tech/Texas A&M
NC State/Tennessee
Duke/Auburn
Louisville/Arkansas
Syracuse/Missouri
Pitt/Kentucky
BC/Ole Miss
Wake Forest/South Carolina


SEC has 12 state flagship universities and the ACC has 2. The Big 10 has 11 state flagship universities. That is the challenge that the ACC has in order to keep up with the media value of the SEC and Big 10.

UMass to the ACC then

 

[WoadBlue]

UMass to the ACC then

Let's add: the flagship schools must have large numbers of fans.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Then they are never getting UNC, UVA, Duke, GA Tech, Notre Dame. For the ACC to go away, FSU and Clemson need to leave. If the SEC takes those schools, they and ESPN know it drives those 5 schools to the B1G.

Non B1G AAU schools:

P12 - Arizona, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington

It makes sense for the B1G to take 6 of these for sure. They add markets, FB brands, a western pod. Even if you take Stanford and Cal, you cut off the fat from the P12.

SEC - Florida, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Florida would be a very difficult get. The other 4 have less loyalty and could be enticed IMO.

ACC - GA Tech, Duke, UNC, Pitt, UVA

Pitt doesn't add a lot of non academic value. None of these are available without the ACC dying.

B12 - Iowa State, Kansas

I think they eventually take KU. ISU only gets it if they need 1 more team to make a balanced league.

The B1G isn't kicking Nebraska out. Would they really not take Clemson, FSU, Notre Dame, or Oklahoma? Or SU, who used to be AAU? BC? UConn? Miami?

 

[CU44SE]

I think some people are forgetting jim Phillips the new ACC commish was in the Big ten for 12 years. I think he understands and has an idea what that conference future plans are and what they would expect to do. That, with our AD wildhack I believe the ACC is a step ahead of some conferences in their plan of attack.

 

[Hoo's That]

ND doesn’t give a chit about SU.
SU fans have to realize that.
BC is a like a little annoying brother to ND.
ND doesn’t care about them.

All ND cares about is ND and they honor Navy because Navy bailed out them during WW2 and they like playing USC.

Miami football brand still has a little juice.

USC is their rival, not just a team "they like playing". It is the game that both teams want to win above all others. The only reason they play in Oct when the game is in SB is that John McKay didn't like how cold it is in Indiana during Nov. Otherwise, like all true rivalry games, it would be the last game of the season every year.

 

[Chip]

These conferences should just admit the obvious, this is about football, let them go and create whatever they want and leave all the other sports to forming their own geographic alliances.

It's one thing for Boston College to travel to Miami for a Saturday weekend game. Or in everyone's new dream scenario for a school in Tallahassee to go to Minneapolis for a Saturday game. But having the other sports do it on a Tuesday night is just ludicrous.

 

[WoadBlue]

Then they are never getting UNC, UVA, Duke, GA Tech, Notre Dame. For the ACC to go away, FSU and Clemson need to leave. If the SEC takes those schools, they and ESPN know it drives those 5 schools to the B1G.

Non B1G AAU schools:

P12 - Arizona, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington

It makes sense for the B1G to take 6 of these for sure. They add markets, FB brands, a western pod. Even if you take Stanford and Cal, you cut off the fat from the P12.

SEC - Florida, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

Florida would be a very difficult get. The other 4 have less loyalty and could be enticed IMO.

ACC - GA Tech, Duke, UNC, Pitt, UVA

Pitt doesn't add a lot of non academic value. None of these are available without the ACC dying.

B12 - Iowa State, Kansas

I think they eventually take KU. ISU only gets it if they need 1 more team to make a balanced league.

The B1G isn't kicking Nebraska out. Would they really not take Clemson, FSU, Notre Dame, or Oklahoma? Or SU, who used to be AAU? BC? UConn? Miami?

Know, they do not know that the SEC taking Clemson and FSU drives UNC, UVA, Duke, GA Tech, Notre Dame to the BT. A few years back, the Ram's Club did a survey of which conference UNC boosters would prefer UNC to be in if the ACC were to fold: the SEC won easily.

Right now, the SEC knows that if Clemson and FSU go SEC, and the SEC offers UNC, Dook, and UVA, and tells that trio to pick 3 other ACC teams to make a 24 team SEC, that the SEC would have at least a 50/50 shot to pull it off.

The BT is not as powerful, and certainly not as desirable, as you think.

 

[javadoc]

So, they gave 4-years'-notice?

A lot can happen in 4 years.

 

[Chip]

So, they gave 4-years'-notice?

A lot can happen in 4 years.

Now they start the process to get out earlier, either settle or pay it all. And they will formally apply to the SEC.

 

[Alsacs]

Now they start the process to get out earlier, either settle or pay it all. And they will formally apply to the SEC.

The question is what type of clause did ESPN put into their deal with the SEC for expansion.
I bet the SEC wishes they had done this prior to their deal as they would get even more than they will get from ESPN additionally.

CBS had to save it’s money to keep the NFL.
Fox never got a chance at the SEC rights after CBS declined the next exclusive window went to ESPN because of their network agreement.

ESPN is trying to own college football completely because it’s cheaper than the NFL by a lot and is very very popular and profitable content.

 

[Atlcuse44]

While I agree that Miami has a little juice, its is hanging on by a thread, and its because every year the "experts" are ready to say that the 'Canes are on their way back to the glory years. Yet every year they disappoint. They're still a name and still a draw but unless they start winning conference championships, they will fade as well. It reminds me of how the Cowboys are Super Bowl "contenders" every year, yet still finish 8-8.
That said, we are not on par with the Canes at all in football and that drives the bus.

Miami = Michigan. Guaranteed to be ranked high pre-season and guaranteed to disappoint.

 

[DaCuse]

The ACC is being eerily quiet…..

 

[WoadBlue]

So, they gave 4-years'-notice?

A lot can happen in 4 years.

Yes, a lot can happen. But you can be certain that they will not go back to the Big 12. And there is no logical reason to think they would shift the planned move to another conference.

 

[kcsu]

The ACC is being eerily quiet…..

Publicly

 

[storange]

1. Interesting that we have these experts who are suddenly all over this board… where have you been when we were discussing the actual topic of SU FOOTBALL..
2. There isn’t a single thing any of us can do so it’s not worth fretting about.

 

[WoadBlue]

The ACC is being eerily quiet…..

The ACC is making the points to ND that I and others have made here: Texas and OU to the SEC is a big game changer.

 

[kcsu]

1. Interesting that we have these experts who are suddenly all over this board… where have you been when we were discussing the actual topic of SU FOOTBALL..
2. There isn’t a single thing any of us can do so it’s not worth fretting about.

OK if we only discuss what we can "Do something about" what topics would remain?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

These conferences should just admit the obvious, this is about football, let them go and create whatever they want and leave all the other sports to forming their own geographic alliances.

It's one thing for Boston College to travel to Miami for a Saturday weekend game. Or in everyone's new dream scenario for a school in Tallahassee to go to Minneapolis for a Saturday game. But having the other sports do it on a Tuesday night is just ludicrous.

It depends on how big you go as a conference. That travel might not be so bad.

If the B1G went to 6 divisions of 6 teams, then in BBall you are playing 15 games regionally in conference (10 home + 5 divisional road) and at worst 5 games out of region in conference. Then you have 5-6 in region OOC cupcakes at home, 2-4 early season destination tournament games, and 1-2 OOC P5 games either at home or away (which would potentially be out of region). So is potentially traveling 5-6 times out of region (not including the early season tournament), really all that bad?