Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC

[elimunelson]

It's not realignment until we hear from Jim Boeheim FYI

 

[TheCusian]

When Syracuse plays Boston College every year then it should be on national TV if it would bring eyeballs.
It doesn’t.
Our fanbase doesn’t get it.
Football brings value. If we aren’t good at it we don’t bring it.

If this is about top teams playing in prime time, good luck - it's already been filled for years and rearranging things doesn't get us, as fans more games - it gets ESPN more, but the result is the same.

CFB is not being improved by this, nationally. So then you have to think wide rather than high. Regional football is important or we wouldn't have found a home last go round.

 

[NineOneSeven]

A 36 team conference? Absolutely incredible.

The Atlantic coast conference should add some teams from the pacific coast. Any schools in southern India we can add?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

A 36 team conference? Absolutely incredible.

The Atlantic coast conference should add some teams from the pacific coast. Any schools in southern India we can add?

20 game hoops conference schedule.

And we have to play BC and Pitt twice.

 

[chugg21]

A 36 team conference? Absolutely incredible.

The Atlantic coast conference should add some teams from the pacific coast. Any schools in southern India we can add?

I read a lot of preposterous things on here and that is certainly a good one.

 

[DaCuse]

A 36 team conference? Absolutely incredible.

The Atlantic coast conference should add some teams from the pacific coast. Any schools in southern India we can add?

This bruh is gold!

 

[TheCusian]

If Syracuse is winning 8 games a year like Northwestern we bring value.
When we suck we aren’t valuable.
If we sucked for 15 years now outside of a few seasons.

So if we were good, we'd add value. How about the new super conferences creates a way to counter some of the imbalance in the sport so schools in the NE have more of chance? Money is nice, but the imbalance is in talent dispersal. Too much at the top.

(I might argue that NIL and the new transfer rules might help with that, but we still need a strong hand willing and with enough clout to punish the Bama's of the world if caught cheating)

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If you think the B1G is going to go to 36 teams, then I suppose not.

I don't think the B1G is going to go to 36 teams.

At the very least the B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, GA Tech. That gets them to 18. From a BBall perspective it would make the most sense to add MD and RU to those 4 for a scheduling pod. So UVA has 5 yearly road games vs UNC, Duke, GA Tech, MD, RU and 5 vs the rest of the B1G (which could be nearby Penn State or Ohio State). This is assuming you stop at 18.

 

[longislandcuse]

1. Interesting that we have these experts who are suddenly all over this board… where have you been when we were discussing the actual topic of SU FOOTBALL..
2. There isn’t a single thing any of us can do so it’s not worth fretting about.

Not trying to be a jerk, but when Syracuse Football does something worth talking about, many of us would absolutely love to talk about it.

 

[orangecuse]

Good job of completely missing my point.

I doubt he missed the point. However, you on the other hand apparently missed the sarcasm whilst you possessed the need to throw shade at fellow posters with your "expert" and "suddenly all over this board" malarkey.

It is a fan forum with many broader relative topics. Perhaps, it's you that shouldn't take yourself so seriously?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If this is about top teams playing in prime time, good luck - it's already been filled for years and rearranging things doesn't get us, as fans more games - it gets ESPN more, but the result is the same.

CFB is not being improved by this, nationally. So then you have to think wide rather than high. Regional football is important or we wouldn't have found a home last go round.

You are both correct. Big football brands bring value. But not every game will be Bama vs LSU. Some games will be Bama vs Mizzou. There aren't many big brands left. The ACC has FSU and Clemson as big brands. But both the B1G and SEC want UNC and UVA, which are not big brands. Those adds are about footprint not brand. So why when talking SU is it only about brand?

 

[kcsu]

Good job of completely missing my point.

You might try articulating better.

 

[Alsacs]

If this is about top teams playing in prime time, good luck - it's already been filled for years and rearranging things doesn't get us, as fans more games - it gets ESPN more, but the result is the same.

CFB is not being improved by this, nationally. So then you have to think wide rather than high. Regional football is important or we wouldn't have found a home last go round.

We found a Home last time because the ACC is half public and half private. Also we were the one school who didn’t sue them when they tried to destroy the Big East and their leader ship didn’t forget that. Also at that point our basketball program was hot and there was an idea to create the greatest basketball conference as the ACC was jealous and of the Big East to get the NCAA tournament credits to counter the potential lack of football success.

The SEC schools have A lot more non-alum fans who work from the state and have state pride. That is the case in the Northeast. The Northeast will never really truly care about college football you got a couple teams that are decent you’ll get some buzz beyond that you won’t

 

[HRE Otto IV]

20 game hoops conference schedule.

And we have to play BC and Pitt twice.

In the NFL, MLB, college football you do not play every team in the league. A super conference would be the same for BBall. You play you divisional games and rotate with the other divisions. Heck in the old Big East we didn't play every team in conference. How many times did we play Providence, Nova, VA Tech in 2003?

 

[SU94]

The question is what type of clause did ESPN put into their deal with the SEC for expansion.
I bet the SEC wishes they had done this prior to their deal as they would get even more than they will get from ESPN additionally.

CBS had to save it’s money to keep the NFL.
Fox never got a chance at the SEC rights after CBS declined the next exclusive window went to ESPN because of their network agreement.

ESPN is trying to own college football completely because it’s cheaper than the NFL by a lot and is very very popular and profitable content.

The sport will lose popularity and profitability if it becomes regionalized to the extreme.
Which is where the path is leading.

It's all very exciting right now and good for egos at ESPN/Texas/Oklahoma/SEC, but there are repercussions for these choices, including:

• Smaller schools dropping/deemphasizing CFB
• Lower television ratings with regional disinterest
• Lack of schools to schedule in the non conference
• SEC & B1G schools losing reasonable hope (Purdue, Vandy, Rutgers, Miss State, Indiana, South Carolina, Maryland, Arkansas)
• Losing more games (if Texas is struggling in the B12, not sure they'll succeed in the SEC)
• Greater governmental scrutiny as some programs and the money rise, while others suffer/fold
• Total loss of autonomy/self control (Texas)

 

[storange]

K

You might try articulating better.

I explained it in painstaking detail ….on the pay side.

 

[TerryD]

USC is their rival, not just a team "they like playing". It is the game that both teams want to win above all others. The only reason they play in Oct when the game is in SB is that John McKay didn't like how cold it is in Indiana during Nov. Otherwise, like all true rivalry games, it would be the last game of the season every year.

Southern Cal is really the only school that ND considers a true rival.

Boston College, Pitt or even Michigan are not really "rivals" regarding ND (not from ND's standpoint).

 

[storange]

Not trying to be a jerk, but when Syracuse Football does something worth talking about, many of us would absolutely love to talk about it.

They do a great deal of stuff worth talking about, it’s not always what we aspire to unfortunately.

 

[SouthernCuse]

I hated the announcement this morning. Perhaps it stems from the 8 years of uncertainty SU went through from 2003-2011. The 8 years we get in the ACC, now more turmoil. Not much of a tradeoff.

Especially since the fans are not consulted. Admins get paid more. Coaches get paid more. Fans get their school downgraded and are supposed to stay faithful and watch Oklahoma - South Carolina?

I wander. The sense of disillusionment is strong in the wind today, that is all I wanted to say.

 

[gbo]

@FSULou Where are we going my dude? Away from UNC would be preferable...

 

[TerryD]

It’s not really a big game changer for ND.
The Big XII is being destroyed.
Unless the Big Ten can poach Clemson or Florida State nothing changes for the ACC.
They were are already going to lag way behind the SEC in revenue.
The academic ACC schools aren’t going to destroy the conference.
Notre Dame will still be comfortable with the status quo.
If the administrators for college football say you must be in a conference to be a playoff team that is about the only thing I can see changing Notre Dame.
At that point they want the Big Ten which is fine.

Almost no ND fan "wants" the Big Ten. We are all taught from birth to despise the Big Ten.

That is just about the worst result for ND in realignment (except for the money) from a fan perspective (but we all know from events that fan preferences don't count in realignment)..

My only point in my prior post was that at some point in the future the Big Ten may end up offering ND $80 million a year (and be one of two superconferences) versus the $40 million or so ND would get for joining the ACC.

So...ND may have a choice to make...and money talks. Time will tell.

In the near term, ND plans to charge subscriptions soon for the Fighting Irish TV streaming platform (David Hale just wrote that he thinks ND can get 250,000 people to sign up for $100/yr, netting ND $25 million a year in revenue that it gets to keep) and the NBC deal expires in 2025 (how much can ND get in the open market?), so the Irish think that they are in better financial shape remaining an independent in the near future rather than putting football in the ACC.


[Notre Dame’s success with Fighting Irish TV streaming service could lead to subscription model

Notre Dame extends television deal with NBC through 2025

Notre Dame home football games will continue to be shown on NBC through the 2025 season.

www.cbssports.com

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The sport will lose popularity and profitability if it becomes regionalized to the extreme.
Which is where the path is leading.

It's all very exciting right now and good for egos at ESPN/Texas/Oklahoma/SEC, but there are repercussions for these choices, including:

• Smaller schools dropping/deemphasizing CFB
• Lower television ratings with regional disinterest
• Lack of schools to schedule in the non conference
• SEC & B1G schools losing reasonable hope (Purdue, Vandy, Rutgers, Miss State, Indiana, South Carolina, Maryland, Arkansas)
• Losing more games (if Texas is struggling in the B12, not sure they'll succeed in the SEC)
• Greater governmental scrutiny as some programs and the money rise, while others suffer/fold
• Total loss of autonomy/self control (Texas)

Depends on where we end up. If the B1G goes to 36 teams (6 divisions of 6) and the SEC to 18 (3 divisions of 6):

-Yes the G5 schools would deemphasize but that may happen without expansion

-That wouldn't happen if P5 goes from 65 to 54. You just cut the fat.

-They will have 10 conference games so it won't be an issue

-Actually they will have more hope. Instead of 7 team divisions with 2 big boys they go to 6 team divisions with 1 big boy. Also, if you add a wildcard to SEC (4 team conference playoff) and 2 to the B1G (8 teams), you add a 2nd chance.

-Yes, more losses are likely which will be a short term adjustment for fans.

-If you are cutting out WSU, Oregon State, Arizona State, Wake, Pitt, Louisville, Iowa State, West Virginia, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas State, Oklahoma State will there be much scrutiny? Most of those are secondary schools within state.

-Yes more sharing of power

 

[qdawgg]

1. Interesting that we have these experts who are suddenly all over this board… where have you been when we were discussing the actual topic of SU FOOTBALL..
2. There isn’t a single thing any of us can do so it’s not worth fretting about.

I’ve tried talking about how crappy the O-line is for a few years but everyone wants to talk about how great it’s going to be….the following year.

Also, nobody has stolen DeVito’s TV yet, so there’s not a lot of fun SU topics to talk about right now.

Our impending doom is way more interesting.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I’m a little concerned about the expansion of the ACC as I’m not sure we’re going to Maximize our value.

And by “the ACC” I mean “Joe Girards waisteline” and by “Maximize our value” I mean “have a big enough wheelbarrow.”

 

[Toga]

Almost no ND fan "wants" the Big Ten. We are all taught from birth to despise the Big Ten.

That is just about the worst result for ND in realignment (except for the money) from a fan perspective (but we all know from events that fan preferences don't count in realignment)..

My only point in my prior post was that at some point in the future the Big Ten may end up offering ND $80 million a year (and be one of two superconferences) versus the $40 million or so ND would get for joining the ACC.

So...ND may have a choice to make...and money talks. Time will tell.

In the near term, ND plans to charge subscriptions soon for the Fighting Irish TV streaming platform (David Hale just wrote that he thinks ND can get 250,000 people to sign up for $100/yr, netting ND $25 million a year in revenue that it gets to keep) and the NBC deal expires in 2025 (how much can ND get in the open market?), so the Irish think that they are in better financial shape remaining an independent in the near future rather than putting football in the ACC.


[Notre Dame’s success with Fighting Irish TV streaming service could lead to subscription model

Notre Dame extends television deal with NBC through 2025

Notre Dame home football games will continue to be shown on NBC through the 2025 season.

www.cbssports.com

What is the size of ND's endowment fund?