Thank you Greeny!

[sufandu]

While talking about the games this weekend, Mike Greenberg said he couldn't talk about our game without mentioning the atrocious officiating. He was very even handed about it saying that he thought both teams were hurt by it but more calls went against SU. He concluded by saying OSU probably still wins. He is the national media member I've heard address it, and I think he was accurate.

With that, I think I'll finally let it go.

 

[longislandcuse]

While talking about the games this weekend, Mike Greenberg said he couldn't talk about our game without mentioning the atrocious officiating. He was very even handed about it saying that he thought both teams were hurt by it but more calls went against SU. He concluded by saying OSU probably still wins. He is the national media member I've heard address it, and I think he was accurate.

With that, I think I'll finally let it go.

Its just good to know other people saw it. We know what happened but to hear someone else mention it just makes coming to terms with it a bit easier.

 

[Ghost]

While talking about the games this weekend, Mike Greenberg said he couldn't talk about our game without mentioning the atrocious officiating. He was very even handed about it saying that he thought both teams were hurt by it but more calls went against SU. He concluded by saying OSU probably still wins. He is the national media member I've heard address it, and I think he was accurate.

With that, I think I'll finally let it go.

Agreed. It makes me feel less crazy.

Now I can sit back and just be happy that most of our players set personal season records for fouls in a game. I'm proud of them, they all got to go out on a high note!

 

[arbitragegls]

..of course he did have 'Cuse in his FF...but it is good to hear an outside source at least mention what we 'Cuse fans all know...the officials took the game out of our hands...we didnt lose playing ball, we lost because zebras took over the game and killed the flow and rhythm of our team as well as osu's.

I am not going to say we would have won, but it would have been a more enthusiastic and better game from the standpoint of each team playing their game...and yet, YET, we did close the gap to 1 point in last few minutes...SO team showed lots of HEART...wait until next year has new meaning for all of us--'Cuse will be better and go farther all the way to the NC!

 

[DPCuse]

Any good ref knows that you let the players decide the game. Especially an important game like an Elite 8 game. Sort of like hockey refs not calling a penalty in the last few minutes of a close game or OT unless it is blatant or takes a scoring opportunity away. This was the exact opposite. And yes, it was bad both ways. Without Fab, Ohio State was a real tough matchup for us so we probably lose anyway but man, I would have loved to see the game open up and both teams go up and down the floor for 40 minutes to see what might have happened.

 

[Flora'cuse]

Yes - thanks Greeny.

Even Gottlieb said "The officiating was not up to the level of competition". (He'd never admit anything in favor of the 'cuse of course)

There is no question the ref's were just horrible in the first half and the calls were 3 to 1 against the 'cuse.
It was like they were tiring to even it out for giving Sullinger 2 fouls or something.

There’s no tiptoeing around it - the ref’s cost us the game - or at least a chance at the game. No question.
I'm tired of people saying you can’t blame the ref's; you can. It won't do you any good but let's call a spade a spade here.

I hope there is a follow up on this foul up. I'd love to see what disciplinary actions are taken.

Ands on a side note… great game Scoop – I apologize for questioning him in a post earlier in the month.

Thanks for a great season 'cuse.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

Even Pat Forte said the officiating was terrible and one referee who did the game is just bad and shouldn't have been allowed to work the game!

 

[44PRIDE]

I'd really like to see some type of public rating system (or scorecard) for officials. There is just no accountability on their end.

 

[pfister1]

I'd really like to see some type of public rating system (or scorecard) for officials. There is just no accountability on their end.

Really......a public rating system? I would settle for the NCAA doing a bit more to create standards and hold officials to the standards. Would also like to see them make their basketball referees full time positions. I don't see how you can get the level of competence you want from these guys when it is a secondary gig for them.

The last thing they need is public accountability though. It would be like being a politician....whether you did a good job or not, someone would always be upset by the decisions you made and there would always be someone trying to skewer you.

 

[PhatOrange]

Yes - thanks Greeny.

Even Gottlieb said "The officiating was not up to the level of competition". (He'd never admit anything in favor of the 'cuse of course)

The mere fact that Gottlieb even acknowledges it tells me all I need to know. The officiating was bad and it's not just coming from a bunch of pissed off biased Orange fans.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I'd really like to see some type of public rating system (or scorecard) for officials. There is just no accountability on their end.

There is a site that tracks officials. I saw it last year. Pat Driscoll was rated as one of the best officials, but we never get him because of his ties to Syracuse. I'm sure you can google it.

 

[All4SU]

I'd really like to see some type of public rating system (or scorecard) for officials. There is just no accountability on their end.

Strongly disagree with this. You can bet there is a rating system. All referee organizations have them. But to make it a "public" rating system would be a disaster. Let the referee organizations handle their own evaluations and discipline within themselves. If you want to make the referees a BIGGER part of the game, then make their ratings public. Their "accountability" is internal. These things get addressed. We may not agree with their evaluations and systems of assigning, but as fans, we should not be overly involved in the officiating process.

 

[Cuseregular]

While talking about the games this weekend, Mike Greenberg said he couldn't talk about our game without mentioning the atrocious officiating. He was very even handed about it saying that he thought both teams were hurt by it but more calls went against SU. He concluded by saying OSU probably still wins. He is the national media member I've heard address it, and I think he was accurate.

With that, I think I'll finally let it go.

driving home from Boston the guy on Sirius Mad dog radio (Steve Switzer??) was all over it going so far as to suggest an NCAA conspiracy against Syracuse not wanting them in due to all the problems this year. Gave me some piece of mind too to finally let it go.

 

[SWC75]

I'd be satisfied to know that the NCAA is consostiently evaluating the refs and that if we see a game like Saturday's we knwo that someone like Higgins is going to get downgraded for his performance. But I don't have a lot of confidence in that.

The fact that JB was asked about the officiating in the post game presser shows that the national press saw it as an issue. The game summaries focused on questionable calls, (the phantom foul on Ravenel, the charge on Triche), and Boeheim's technical. The only issue is whether the refs "cost us the game".

I note that we were supposedly the deeper team and so should have been able to avoid foul trobule but wound up with two players with 5 fouls and three with 4. They had one player with 5 fouls and none with four.

 

[pfister1]

The NCAA already claims it does a rating system and that's one of the reasons why crews advance in the tournament. If that's the case, what's the harm in making that public?

What is the point? I don't want any say in prepping or selecting the officials. I don't want the process to be second guessed. I just want it to run so well that no one really thinks about it.

 

[Orangeyes]

The article below echo's what Higgin's does to the flow of a game and how he adversly affects uptempo teams

Higgins has a rep for calling tight games, players have to adjust to him


John Higgins through the eyes of Baylor fans (4 pages)


Love letters from Iowa State too

 

[DNABB5]

driving home from Boston the guy on Sirius Mad dog radio (Steve Switzer??) was all over it going so far as to suggest an NCAA conspiracy against Syracuse not wanting them in due to all the problems this year. Gave me some piece of mind too to finally let it go.

My tin hat is leaning this way. It was Ohio St. too. You know, the team who was allowed to play in a bowl after having their players suspended for the season they won't even be there to play? I mean really? I think the "conspiracy" was pretty fukin obvious. I pained myself and watched it again last night, from start to finish, and it is just mind blowing the amount of insanely bad calls/no calls. I mean, even my Ohio St. alum boss, who was pretty pissed I took a semi-authorized 2-1/2 lunch on my scheduled saturday, decided not to reprimand me because "your boys got the sort end of it" in reference to the conversation.

Basically, I am going to be pissed off about this game for a long long time.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

What is the point? I don't want any say in prepping or selecting the officials. I don't want the process to be second guessed. I just want it to run so well that no one really thinks about it.

The problem with it being secretive is what we see now. Subpar officials who the everyone tells us "are highly rated" when our eyes suggest otherwise. The point is, when something is going very poorly like this, making things public eliminates the doubt of games being fixed or why officials continue to get work or other things of that nature. Making things public brings another level of accountability that's currently not there.

If we can rank publically teams of 18-20 year old kids, and ask them after a crushing defeat how they feel as they're crying, we can do the same with 40-60 year old men who perform poorly. It simply eliminates a lot of questions and doubt.

 

[joct]

I think the refs need an APR system.

 

[RF2044]

The problem with it being secretive is what we see now. Subpar officials who the everyone tells us "are highly rated" when our eyes suggest otherwise. The point is, when something is going very poorly like this, making things public eliminates the doubt of games being fixed or why officials continue to get work or other things of that nature. Making things public brings another level of accountability that's currently not there.

If we can rank publically teams of 18-20 year old kids, and ask them after a crushing defeat how they feel as they're crying, we can do the same with 40-60 year old men who perform poorly. It simply eliminates a lot of questions and doubt.

I wouldn't have any issue with the rankings / ratings being made public, but I wouldn't want the public to have any say in those rankings / ratings.

The NFL has a pretty good system for officials [and publically disclosing their annual rating of said officials on the back of their uniforms].

 

[Madbiker]

Worst officiating in any tourney game this year. While there were controversial calls in other games (SU-UNCA, ND-Xavier) those were isolated instances of 1 or 2 calls. 99% of those games the officiating was OK. In the SU-OSU game the officiating was awful ALL game which totally changed the way the game was played.

 

[pfister1]

Has anyone discussed the call coming down the stretch in the Louisville v. Michigan State game where they allowed the wrong player to shoot a free throw?

Chane Behanan ran over a Michigan State defender (Draymond Green) at midcourt as Behanan was trying to start a fast break, probably should have been a charge, but it was called a block on MSU. Gorgui Dieng then ran over Behanan and Green who were already entangled on the floor.

Dieng (67%) who is a better free throw shooter than Behanan (58%) (who had missed three straight free throws - the front ends of two consecutive one and ones and the back end of two prior to that) went to the line instead of Behanan. He missed the first shot. The referees then go to the monitor and realize they had the wrong Louisville player at the line, so they waive off the miss and have Behanan take two free throws. Of course Behanan who had missed three in a row up to that point goes to the line and drains them both.

MSU probably wasn't coming back, but it was a 9 point game with two minutes to go before the made free throws.

Reminded me of the foul on Triche before half time of the UNCA game that the refs decided didn't happen upon further review.

Next year the Rules Committee is going to add the ever popular "Do Over" to the rules book.

 

[baggerbob]

The real problem was both halfs the officiating was terrible and you had the head of officials from the NCAA at the game. If you're in charge of someone as an employer and you see them ruining a product you don't wait until they finish destroying the product to talk to them.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

I wouldn't have any issue with the rankings / ratings being made public, but I wouldn't want the public to have any say in those rankings / ratings.

The NFL has a pretty good system for officials [and publically disclosing their annual rating of said officials on the back of their uniforms].

that's what I was trying to say. I agree with you.

 

[dollarbill44]

Just fire any official named Higgins.