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orange79

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Wrong? Tell me what was “wrong”, sport? 28-48 in the Big East. Fact. Last place both years in Tampa before getting run out. Nobody cares about those s***t bowls Rutgers went to with 3-4 records in the crappy Big East.

And you don’t get to ask me questions in the Rutgers dumpster fire thread.
Well, he can, but you get to answer him like that.
 

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Disagree that his recruits were overrated based on the amount of guys that went on to the NFL. He had a steady pipeline going and developed his players(many who were underrated as 2 stars).

The year he won 11 games happened to be in a year where the Big East had 3 top 15 teams. RU was an easy dropped TD in triple OT away from beating WV on the road and heading to the BCS as the sole BE champ. He did win a share of the title a few years later. He beat USF when they were ranked #2 along with beating #3 Louisville for top 10 wins...

He will be able to recruit at a higher level being in the BIG now. A key difference which is being overlooked is that Rutgers is supporting athletics for the first time. The BOG is finally giving him a fighting chance by leveling out the playing field with peer schools. This will come in the form of better assistants and facilities. Although RU still not getting a full share of BIG revenue but its getting much closer. The hiring of president Jonathon Holloway further shows a signifigant change in direction of the school. He was a former Stanford football player who understands BIG athletics(former president of NW).

So I guess we will see how things play out over the next few years. That's the fun of college football.
Than you for responding. You prove my points. Rutgers failed to win the big game against WVU and win the Big East title. A share of a title is far less a bragging point than an outright title. Furthermore, one can safely argue that pollsters regarded the Louisville victory a fluke, rather than a statement game. Louisville lost to Rutgers and should have dropped much further, while Rutgers should have risen much higher than the bump they got from beating Louisville had the pollsters been impressed. Yet, the pollsters were not impressed.

To add to my argument, the pollsters were proven right by Rutgers falling the following week to what was to be a 6-5 Cincy Bearcats team. Thus, Rutgers best victory is considered a fluke and always will be. But, hey, the ESB was lit up in red, so Rutgers has that going for them.

A minor point, but your argument that the Big East had three top 15 teams sounds impressive, but Rutgers was the third team and actually dropped out by the season's end, leaving the Big East with two top 15 teams (yes, Rutgers was still a top 20 team). The point being that Rutgers split against the two top teams, winning one (a fluke by all opinions and verified with a loss to a mediocre team the following week) and failing to sink the nail in the coffin in what would have been a statement win for Rutgers. History does not care how close a team was to a title.

I understand why you believe that Rutgers' administration is fully supportive of Schiano. However, they were "fully" supportive of Flood and Ash, too. Schiano will be given 5-6 years to prove himself a winner. In the B1G, particularly in the B1G East. He starts with four built in losses in his division (UM, tOSU, PSU, MState) and most often a built in loss or two with cross division play (UNL, Wiscy, UM, Iowa. This assumes that IU and UM roll over, which they won't, nor will the remainder of the B1G West. Generally, Schiano has 5-7 losses built in annually.

As to his recruiting, he didn't win a ton of recruiting battles against PU, or most others. He only a few against a down SU by lying (you are free to disagree, but the record is clear that he was a shady recruiter). Further, his shady lies will not work now that kids have ability to do much more research, analyze his history, and look at his character from many others.

Rutgers has not bee able to recruit at a higher level and they have ben in the B1G for several years. Sure, blame Flood and Ash, but the truth is, if they had better players, they would have won at least a couple of closer games and kept the blowouts to tighter scores, but they did not get the higher recruits. Schiano will get the recruit "rankings" increased as Rutgers has a built in skew master for the ratings.

Finally, you argue the money. Money does not cure all ills. Besides, Rutgers AD' is in the hole to the tune of about half a billion dollars (we know it will never be paid back). Check the shortfalls annually going back about 20 years! The B1G checks don't matter as much as you think, faulty management is costly no matter how you slice it.

I agree with your last point, we will see in a few years.
 

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Luckily for RU, the NYC-based O$U, PedState and Michigan alumni should keep SHI# from being as deserted as the Rent and forcing a Big East return.
 

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Disagree that his recruits were overrated based on the amount of guys that went on to the NFL. He had a steady pipeline going and developed his players(many who were underrated as 2 stars).

The year he won 11 games happened to be in a year where the Big East had 3 top 15 teams. RU was an easy dropped TD in triple OT away from beating WV on the road and heading to the BCS as the sole BE champ. He did win a share of the title a few years later. He beat USF when they were ranked #2 along with beating #3 Louisville for top 10 wins...

He will be able to recruit at a higher level being in the BIG now. A key difference which is being overlooked is that Rutgers is supporting athletics for the first time. The BOG is finally giving him a fighting chance by leveling out the playing field with peer schools. This will come in the form of better assistants and facilities. Although RU still not getting a full share of BIG revenue but its getting much closer. The hiring of president Jonathon Holloway further shows a signifigant change in direction of the school. He was a former Stanford football player who understands BIG athletics(former president of NW).

So I guess we will see how things play out over the next few years. That's the fun of college football.
A lot of the guys that made the NFL for him werent big prospects. McCourtys Rice Courtney and Khaseem Greene Leonard. Anthony Davis was the exception. Everyone knows Brian Dohn boosts rutgers commits ratings. Thats why their players dont meet expectations. They made the composite ratings because of guys like Dohn.
 

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Such a failure that Bill Belichick hired him as DC for the Patriots which Schiano walked away from because he wanted to go back to the college game as a head coach.

By all accounts his players love him and speak very highly of their time being coached by Schiano. He showed his character with how he handled the Eric Legrand situation and has always run a clean program. Just because he took it to Syracuse on the field and recruiting trail his last go around doesn’t make him a bad person...
Much of the reason why he took it to Syracuse was perfect circumstances for Rutgers because you guys hired a somewhat decent coach at best and we hired the worst coach in football history so obviously it worked out well for rutgirls but that Is all over. Rutgers has never been better than mediocre in the Big East, failed terribly in Tampa Bay and didn’t do much else since so there you go, that just about says it all.
Rutgers Will continue to be a punching bag in the Big Ten and big 10 east so enjoy
 

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A lot of the guys that made the NFL for him werent big prospects. McCourtys Rice Courtney and Khaseem Greene Leonard. Anthony Davis was the exception. Everyone knows Brian Dohn boosts rutgers commits ratings. Thats why their players dont meet expectations. They made the composite ratings because of guys like Dohn.
Speaking of Anthony Davis, Schiano's biggest recruit ever, he didn't have great things to say about Schiano (to put it mildly).
 
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Speaking of Anthony Davis, Schiano's biggest recruit ever, he didn't have great things to say about Schiano (to put it mildly).
Sounds like he won’t be visiting the SHI# Hole any time soon...
 

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Disagree that his recruits were overrated based on the amount of guys that went on to the NFL. He had a steady pipeline going and developed his players(many who were underrated as 2 stars).

The year he won 11 games happened to be in a year where the Big East had 3 top 15 teams. RU was an easy dropped TD in triple OT away from beating WV on the road and heading to the BCS as the sole BE champ. He did win a share of the title a few years later. He beat USF when they were ranked #2 along with beating #3 Louisville for top 10 wins...

He will be able to recruit at a higher level being in the BIG now. A key difference which is being overlooked is that Rutgers is supporting athletics for the first time. The BOG is finally giving him a fighting chance by leveling out the playing field with peer schools. This will come in the form of better assistants and facilities. Although RU still not getting a full share of BIG revenue but its getting much closer. The hiring of president Jonathon Holloway further shows a signifigant change in direction of the school. He was a former Stanford football player who understands BIG athletics(former president of NW).

So I guess we will see how things play out over the next few years. That's the fun of college football.
this is not the "first time" ru is supporting athletics. take a look at the mulcahy years at ad. plus building new facilities at that time, and the perks in greggys contract--particularly housing. schiano recruited well in florida and nj --was given a gift from ny --ray rice. he built his resume on no name scheduling, he is a salesman--and a good one. he is a horrible game day coach. he manipulated ru very well financially when they were desperate and will do so again. his strength is as a defensive coordinator and recruiter. ----he will make an initial splash in nj and maybe nyc as well as fla. i will wait and see.
we need to beat him down and keep ru on our scheduel. if we ignore them as we had done in the past , there will be issues. schiano is phony, tennessee knew it as well as others. rutgers is desperate and greg is cashing in on the only job that he can get.
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not much difference between 247 rankings of either school. su59 ru 63. my main concern is that schiano, like it or not shut us out of nj recruiting. people keep talking about the "big" boys. i am concerned about the players that ru and su have both offered that the big boys passed on. whether they nj guys or not. we need to crush this team from the out set if we can.
1. this is 2-3 kids a class, *maybe*
2. they’ve typically finished ahead of us in recruiting and yet - have finished worse and not had the high points we’ve had
3. If Dino wins and Schiano doesn’t meet expectations, we won’t be shut out of NJ
4. The hole Flood and Ash dug is pretty deep
 

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Wrong. He went to 6 bowls in in last 7 seasons at Rutgers. Was national coach of the year. Proven recruiter.

What do you think of Babers with a 12-20 conference record and where his recruiting is at in year 5?
I’ll give you an honest perspective on Babers (it’s mine, not the boards)

Recruiting has always been hard here, the NY talent and NE talent pools are what they are. But we’ve seen a uptick in good players who actually end up on campus (S Cisco as a true freshman, NJ’s own DeVito, etc). We’d like to see a bigger jump in talent like most fanbases and are feeling really good about our new DC and OC. Good recruiters, good coaches, good fits.

As far as his conference record, there is work to be done. But he’s the only HC to follow up a top 2 win with a 10 win season in program history besides coach Mac.

3 of his 4 years we’ve beaten a ranked team.

Rutgers has 1 win vs a ranked opponent in 10 years.
 

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I think the fiasco at with Schiano and Tennessee has smeared him permanently. He is a $#|+ stain in the jockey shorts of college football.
 

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I think the fiasco at with Schiano and Tennessee has smeared him permanently. He is a $#|+ stain in the jockey shorts of college football.
What actually happened with Schiano in Tenn?
 

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What actually happened with Schiano in Tenn?
He was named HC, and as PAcuse said above, alumni and TN politicians raised such a ruckus (due to McCreary from Penn St testifying that Schiano "had witnessed Jerry Sandusky "doing something" to a boy in the shower") that TN withdrew the offer.

 

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He was named HC, and as PAcuse said above, alumni and TN politicians raised such a ruckus (due to McCreary from Penn St testifying that Schiano "had witnessed Jerry Sandusky "doing something" to a boy in the shower") that TN withdrew the offer.

Rutgers was his only chance as getting another Head coaching job again.
 

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Or they wind up getting to bowl games by their junior/senior years and elevate things to the next level. Schiano has proven he can recruit against big name schools when he was at RU last. When he left for the NFL he had a top 25 class going and now he has the BIG 10 to sell instead of Big East.
And now he has the B1G to play instead of the Big East. And he has the B1G swarming NJ, recruiting against him.
 

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