THE BIGGEST HOSING IN THE HISTORY OF THE SCHOOL

[Cuse_NYC]

As awful as this game was from the officials, this is nothing compared to Butler in 2010, Marquette in 2011, Ohio State in 2012 or Michigan in 2013.

If this was a tourney game, many of us wouldn’t have slept or went to work today…

 

[SWC75]

Flagrant Foul, Penalty 1, offensive player leads with elbow to opponent’s face | NBA Video Rulebook

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That's the same play. Is the rule different in college?

 

[two3zone]

You must mean Kings vs. Lakers.

I did! Lol

 

[two3zone]

That's the same play. Is the rule different in college?

Worded differently but the same rule.

 

[Madbiker]

Maybe you haven't noticed, but we're carpetbaggers in the acc... That means bad calls on your home court vs. tobacco road blue blood teams when the game is on the line... And when u pepper in stupid end of game play from our own team... Guaranteed loss.

This league is a POS for teams like us.

This is nothing new. I despise this league.

All the BOT and AD care about is getting that big $30M check from the ACC every year> All we need to do to get it is be the conference doormat in football and get jobbed in every close hoops game against UNC and Duke. What a deal.

 

[orangecuse]

That's the same play. Is the rule different in college?

To a T. One of our artistic photoshop/art guys here could likely color in that Nugget player as Orange.

 

[two3zone]

You're acting like you've never seen a Euro step before, Mintz wasn't "leading with his elbows," bringing the ball up & around is a common move... the issue/poor choice was that he didn't have the space to make the move correctly, he wasn't being crazy with the elbows - it's genuinely part of the move & players do it all the time. I'd think from an experienced player like yourself you'd get that.

He or any player can do whatever move they want, if you hit someone in the face with an elbow during said move you’re probably not going to be on the right side of the call.

 

[OCESIP]

Flagrant Foul, Penalty 1, offensive player leads with elbow to opponent’s face | NBA Video Rulebook

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The problem with this example is he never makes contact with the face when you look closely. The play never fits the description of the foul.

 

[two3zone]

You're acting like you've never seen a Euro step before, Mintz wasn't "leading with his elbows," bringing the ball up & around is a common move... the issue/poor choice was that he didn't have the space to make the move correctly, he wasn't being crazy with the elbows - it's genuinely part of the move & players do it all the time. I'd think from an experienced player like yourself you'd get that.

Commenting again, you nailed it when you wrote “the issue/poor choice was that he didn’t have the space to move correctly”, which means it was unnecessary and avoidable, he shouldn’t have made the move. You literally defined the rule.

 

[JDubbin]

Commenting again, you nailed it when you wrote “the issue/poor choice was that he didn’t have the space to move correctly”, which means it was unnecessary and avoidable, he shouldn’t have made the move. You literally defined the rule.

but it's also not "leading with his elbows" - which you're claiming, it wasn't reckless or crazy, it was just the wrong choice in the split second moment. It's nothing more than that.

 

[two3zone]

The problem with this example is he never makes contact with the face when you look closely. The play never fits the description of the foul.

Huh?

 

[two3zone]

but it's also not "leading with his elbows" - which you're claiming, it wasn't reckless or crazy, it was just the wrong choice in the split second moment. It's nothing more than that.

Fair, he shouldn’t have done what he did, he’s moving faster than he’s thinking.

 

[Madbiker]

Yup. There was one instance where Jesse got bodied (I think while scoring) with no call - I think the play after he got called for a similar body contact foul call to pick up his 3rd. It was the exact same type of play. They only called the one on us and Boeheim seemed to be making that exact point.

Edwards not shooting ANY FT’s was a joke - their whole strategy was to body him every time he touched the ball.

Judah definitely got hit on that shot he made with about 6 minutes left.

The first offensive foul on Judah at 5:22 was a horrible call. The defender was moving under him and never had his feet set. Garbage call. The 2nd one was legit as he ran over the defender. The flagrant call? Usually if you elbow the guy flush in the face it will be called a flagrant 1 even with no intent. However, our inability to rebound the UNC missed free throw was the killer. Have to get that rebound. SU has been soft at that for 40 years except for maybe in the days we had DC and Seikaly -- long ago.

 

[PhatOrange]

It was 100% avoidable and unnecessary.

100% avoidable maybe if he stopped and took a jumper or a baby hook but not going to the rim to lay in a little floater.

 

[BBQuse]

That's the same play. Is the rule different in college?

It really isn't the same play. In our game the defender was leaning into Mintz trying to draw contact (maybe not an elbow to the face, but he was reaching for the ball and moving into Mintz as he made his move). In the NBA example the defensive player was backtracking and not making an active play on the ball and leaning into the contact.

 

[two3zone]

100% avoidable maybe if he stopped and took a jumper or a baby hook but not going to the rim to lay in a little floater.

So Judah was forced to elbow the guy in the face? May need basketball to be played with helmets going forward if this is allowed.

If people don’t think this is a foul, why don’t we elbow our opponents every time down the court, we could probably knock 3 or 4 guys out a game if we do this 60 times down the court.

 

[djcon57]

It really isn't the same play. In our game the defender was leaning into Mintz trying to draw contact (maybe not an elbow to the face, but he was reaching for the ball and moving into Mintz as he made his move). In the NBA example the defensive player was backtracking and not making an active play on the ball and leaning into the contact.

He wasnt reaching for the ball at all.

 

[Nicknack]

This kid's foul (example) looks like what Judah does at times (at the 1:11 mark). Seriously.

Offensive Foul

 

[BBQuse]

He wasnt reaching for the ball at all.

Yes he was.

 

[two3zone]

Yes he was.

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No he wasn’t, he’s putting his arms up to defend a shot.

 

[djcon57]

Yes he was.

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Sir, you just posted a picture of the unc player holding two hands above his head

 

[two3zone]

No he wasn’t, he’s putting his arms up to defend a shot.
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The more I look at this the worse it is, he was trying create space or draw a foul, there was a 0% chance he could get a decent shot off or even close to the basket for a layup. They’re going to be watching him going forward too.

 

[Willy75]

The first offensive foul on Judah at 5:22 was a horrible call. The defender was moving under him and never had his feet set. Garbage call. The 2nd one was legit as he ran over the defender. The flagrant call? Usually if you elbow the guy flush in the face it will be called a flagrant 1 even with no intent. However, our inability to rebound the UNC missed free throw was the killer. Have to get that rebound. SU has been soft at that for 40 years except for maybe in the days we had DC and Seikaly -- long ago.

Judah did not “run over” the defender; the guy never came close to being set. If anything he (the defender) was deliberately moving up into Mintz. Hubert Davis said as much after the game.

 

[Willy75]

Maryland fans and coaches complained for years about games like last night when playing against UNC and Duke. That and the money are the primary reasons they jumped at going to the BiG.

 

[OCESIP]

Huh?

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Huh?

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It looks like he throws his head back in anticipation of the elbow and the elbow never hits his chin. That angle never shows a hit to the chin.