The Carrier Dome Renaming Thread...

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Institutional knowledge, man. It's gone the way of the dodo. Kind of sad in the context of Joe Szombathy dying last week; they used to have 40+-year lifers in the administration and athletic department, now the industry has taken off and become a revolving door.

It's wacky that multiple fans remember the roof-plaque sale in 1999 but only 20 years later the people making decisions apparently don't.
Even without the institutional knowledge, it’s pretty much a no brainer to sell off old stuff to rabid fans. Teams make a mint selling pieces of old hoops courts, seats from demolished or renovated stadiums, etc. Was just surprising that SU hadn’t contemplated this without prompting.
 

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Even without the institutional knowledge, it’s pretty much a no brainer to sell off old stuff to rabid fans. Teams make a mint selling pieces of old hoops courts, seats from demolished or renovated stadiums, etc. Was just surprising that SU hadn’t contemplated this without prompting.
One of my great regrets is that I hesitated in buying one of the huge old New York City Parks Deparment -branded tree planters from outside Shea Stadium. The price wasn't that high, if I remember, but shipping was outrageous.

And yeah, the team sold everything - even the mustard dispensers from the concession stands. (I didn't buy those either.)
 

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If they made a 10 x 10 tailgating canopy out of Dome material I would give them all the money.
Print "Carrier" on all the sections, kick some of the proceeds over to UTC, tear up the naming gift contract, and call it a day.
 

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Right. It would not happen today but it did happen 40 years ago with the naming gift. While I am sure the university has smart legal people working on this, I am pretty sure they won't just argue, "It wouldn't happen today so it is null and void." Nor will they argue, "Carrier got its money's worth so it is only fair now for them to relinquish the name." Those are more emotional than legal.
Not at all what I was suggesting. I was referring to Jake's comment that there were no other offers (no market) for naming rights. THAT is what would never happen today.
 

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Even without the institutional knowledge, it’s pretty much a no brainer to sell off old stuff to rabid fans. Teams make a mint selling pieces of old hoops courts, seats from demolished or renovated stadiums, etc. Was just surprising that SU hadn’t contemplated this without prompting.
Here’s hoping it self run. No offense to Steiner, but I don’t want to pay $400 for a little square attached to a plaque.
 

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how can you alter a quote? there is a serious integrity issue with that imo.

at least use [sic]
I'm just guessing and throwing this out there...could Carrier have told SU they could no longer use their name in any promotional material if they planned to take the name off the dome? That seems like a bit of a round robin now that I've typed it out
 

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holy cow, there is lot more detail in the Syracuse.com article

Syracuse scrubs all 64 ‘Carrier’ mentions from football guide; it’s just the Dome now

"...A page devoted to the Carrier Dome in the 2018 version is now dedicated to “The Loud House.” The team’s listed home field and mailing address has been changed from Carrier Dome to The Dome.

Even an entry in a historical timeline that was dedicated to the construction of the Carrier Dome, a project to which the company contributed $2.75 million of the $26.85 million construction costs in 1979, has been adjusted to eliminate the previous mention of Carrier."
 

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Here’s hoping it self run. No offense to Steiner, but I don’t want to pay $400 for a little square attached to a plaque.
Steiner is no longer - he sold to a company a few years ago and was acquired by Fanatics recently. They changed the locks on the building and he was escorted off the property.
 

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Steiner is no longer - he sold to a company a few years ago and was acquired by Fanatics recently. They changed the locks on the building and he was escorted off the property.
For real?
 

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Factually probably correct, however SU has a very large leverage point. That being no A/c was initially put into the dome. Can you imagine that Carrier would even want their name on the dome if it were air conditioned by Trane, York or whomever other than Carrier?

Could they use that to get Carrier to AC it for free?
 

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SU responded to Channel 9 News.

The university spokesman did not answer the question and also did not refer to the dome as the Carrier Dome.

When Channel 9 News contacted Carrier about this matter their representative stated they have a “lifetime” agreement with SU and they will be contacting SU about this matter.
I hope that the term "lifetime" is the measure. Let the legal fun begin. Which lifetime? The Dome's. That effective lifetime was over when the first roof was replaced? Carrier Corporation of NY. That lifetime was over when they moved. You owe us money for using the name all of these years. Melvin Eggers' lifetime? Well, he is long gone.

Wait. Carrier's understanding of lifetime and SU's understanding of lifetime were different. Ooops, no meeting of the minds.
That is a material condition of the contract, which I imagine was drafted by Carrier, therefore, it is interpreted most favorably for SU.
If there is no definition,, then what is a reasonable definition of lifetime which the court should impose?
And I don't even do contract law. Others on here can add on.

Some quotes (emphasis added) from the attached DO article:
Syracuse remains wed to Carrier as college naming rights industry takes off

“It is most gratifying,” Eggers said that day, “that the keystone for this project — a major investment in central New York and a vote of confidence in SU — comes from Carrier, a most wonderful neighbor to everyone in the community.”

Melvin Holm, former Carrier Corp. chairman, promised his gift would lessen fears that Carrier, headquartered in Syracuse and the city’s largest employer, would leave the area. Yet, in 2004, the company closed the two manufacturing plants in East Syracuse, laying off 1,200 workers and moving those operations to Asia and the South.
 

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