The Chancellor Hire Will Determine Our Fate

[CuseCPT]

Look, it’s clear that Red is not the coach to turn this program around but I’m more concerned about the next Chancellor. If we don’t get leadership that is serious about adapting to the new landscape and willing to invest in athletics our future is just not going to be a return to prominence.

As of right now, this place does not appear to much more than a has been program clinging to the past. My hope is that Reds replacement will occur after the new Chancellor is in place because I don’t have much confidence in the current administration to make the right move.

 

[ar inj]

Look, it’s clear that Red is not the coach to turn this program around but I’m more concerned about the next Chancellor. If we don’t get leadership that is serious about adapting to the new landscape and willing to invest in athletics our future is just not going to be a return to prominence.

As of right now, this place does not appear to much more than a has been program clinging to the past. My hope is that Reds replacement will occur after the new Chancellor is in place because I don’t have much confidence in the current administration to make the right move.

How do you expect this to work if the next Chancellor does not take over until July 1? Do you expect them to be selected and known and with the ability to have any input on a timetable that aligns with the end of basketball season and the portal? Perhaps yes if they are an internal candidate as has been intimated at by some posters.

 

[CuseCPT]

How do you expect this to work if the next Chancellor does not take over until July 1? Do you expect them to be selected and known and with the ability to have any input on a timetable that aligns with the end of basketball season and the portal? Perhaps yes if they are an internal candidate as has been intimated at by some posters.

I don’t know and that worries me. The timeline of all this makes me uneasy and I don’t know if there’s a good solution.

 

[FloridaCuse]

How do you expect this to work if the next Chancellor does not take over until July 1? Do you expect them to be selected and known and with the ability to have any input on a timetable that aligns with the end of basketball season and the portal? Perhaps yes if they are an internal candidate as has been intimated at by some posters.

It may not take until July 1. It's clear that Kent is ready to leave for Michigan if the new SU Chancellor is named and in place before July 1. If the next Chancellor happens to already be at Syracuse, which some people believe is at least possible, it can all be done sooner. At the very least, I'd think if they have a good idea who it going to be chosen, even if not official yet that person could have input in the men's basketball head coach decision.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Following a legend is never easy, and although it sometimes works out, much of the time it does not. Right now, Red is the keeper of the mausoleum.

You only need to look at SU football. Ben was a legend and after his career ground to a halt, it took 14 years for Mac to reach the stage of the program being turned around. Even prior to '87, he was struggling and the Sack Mac Pack was a real thing.

Then the Coach P years came along and today, they look like Vince Lombardi compared to what followed. Coach P was pushed out in 2004, and over 20 years later, including 5 coaches...3 of whom were fired and one left on his own...the program has yet to be "turned around".

We hope that Fran is that guy, but that has certainly not yet been written.

A lot will be riding on our next basketball coach selection. There will be a number of shiny objects who have had some success at lower levels. Maybe they will work, more often they do not.

There will likely be a fair amount of turnover on the current roster as well. 4 seniors will be gone, Freeman may well head to the draft, some of the frosh simply will not be retained by the new staff, and some of the guys we would like to keep may look elsewhere.

We are probably headed for a few more bumpy years.

 

[ClamOtto]

One big problem is that a coach with options (i.e., a coach we'd want) will probably be very hesitant to take a job without knowing who the next CEO will be, and with a decent likelihood that the AD may also be gone in the near future. Anyone with management experience knows that taking a leadership position without knowing who will be above you is a big risk.

 

[CuseCPT]

One big problem is that a coach with options (i.e., a coach we'd want) will probably be very hesitant to take a job without knowing who the next CEO will be, and with a decent likelihood that the AD may also be gone in the near future. Anyone with management experience knows that taking a leadership position without knowing who will be above you is a big risk.

Thank you, you articulated my concern better than I did!

 

[sutomcat]

One big problem is that a coach with options (i.e., a coach we'd want) will probably be very hesitant to take a job without knowing who the next CEO will be, and with a decent likelihood that the AD may also be gone in the near future. Anyone with management experience knows that taking a leadership position without knowing who will be above you is a big risk.

Just as an FYI, the head coaches of the SU athletic teams report to the SUAD, not the chancellor.

 

[tipphill]

Look, it’s clear that Red is not the coach to turn this program around but I’m more concerned about the next Chancellor. If we don’t get leadership that is serious about adapting to the new landscape and willing to invest in athletics our future is just not going to be a return to prominence.

As of right now, this place does not appear to much more than a has been program clinging to the past. My hope is that Reds replacement will occur after the new Chancellor is in place because I don’t have much confidence in the current administration to make the right move.

Jw is perfectly capable

 

[tipphill]

One big problem is that a coach with options (i.e., a coach we'd want) will probably be very hesitant to take a job without knowing who the next CEO will be, and with a decent likelihood that the AD may also be gone in the near future. Anyone with management experience knows that taking a leadership position without knowing who will be above you is a big risk.

it's NOT jw It's Ken that is the problem
He couldn't improve the law schools hideous ranking or expand research.

 

[AZOrange]

Following a legend is never easy, and although it sometimes works out, much of the time it does not. Right now, Red is the keeper of the mausoleum.

You only need to look at SU football. Ben was a legend and after his career ground to a halt, it took 14 years for Mac to reach the stage of the program being turned around. Even prior to '87, he was struggling and the Sack Mac Pack was a real thing.

Then the Coach P years came along and today, they look like Vince Lombardi compared to what followed. Coach P was pushed out in 2004, and over 20 years later, including 5 coaches...3 of whom were fired and one left on his own...the program has yet to be "turned around".

We hope that Fran is that guy, but that has certainly not yet been written.

A lot will be riding on our next basketball coach selection. There will be a number of shiny objects who have had some success at lower levels. Maybe they will work, more often they do not.

There will likely be a fair amount of turnover on the current roster as well. 4 seniors will be gone, Freeman may well head to the draft, some of the frosh simply will not be retained by the new staff, and some of the guys we would like to keep may look elsewhere.

We are probably headed for a few more bumpy years.

Don’t disagree with your overall point but with portal and right coach you can turn much quicker than a few years. Shoot look what Fran did year 1

 

[Brooky03]

Just as an FYI, the head coaches of the SU athletic teams report to the SUAD, not the chancellor.

Based on how that post was written, I don’t think this was a necessary FYI.

 

[sutomcat]

Based on how that post was written, I don’t think this was a necessary FYI.

For some people, it might.

 

[Brooky03]

For some people, it might.

True

 

[elimunelson]

Chancellor has bigger problems than the basketball team imo.

AD can handle this. Program is supported by boosters and community. We have been deficient in the talent hiring dept at the coaching level. Hiring red was a massive black eye on evaluation.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Chancellor has bigger problems than the basketball team imo.

AD can handle this. Program is supported by boosters and community. We have been deficient in the talent hiring dept at the coaching level. Hiring red was a massive black eye on evaluation.

But the new Chancellor's support of the athletic department could be very helpful.

 

[LpoolNative]

The name I heard I’m really excited about. Just worried about the new AD. We should really retain Wildhack. He isn’t the problem.

 

[FloridaCuse]

The name I heard I’m really excited about. Just worried about the new AD. We should really retain Wildhack. He isn’t the problem.

Hopefully it's not the woman who failed at Pitt.

 

[rrlbees]

Look, it’s clear that Red is not the coach to turn this program around but I’m more concerned about the next Chancellor. If we don’t get leadership that is serious about adapting to the new landscape and willing to invest in athletics our future is just not going to be a return to prominence.

As of right now, this place does not appear to much more than a has been program clinging to the past. My hope is that Reds replacement will occur after the new Chancellor is in place because I don’t have much confidence in the current administration to make the right move.

kent supports athletics and invests in it. prove me wrong.

 

[Cusefan69]

So the sooner that the new Chancellor is official to me the better. I would think depending on who that person is impacts whether ADJW is around another year or another three to four years. John looks to be around 67 so it's probably fair to think he has so many years remaining at the helm. I think if the new Chancellor is a known quantity to John that would matter. I think any new coach would want to know how long John plans on being around.

 

[elimunelson]

But the new Chancellor's support of the athletic department could be very helpful.

Right. Sveryud is a dope. Michigan saw that and was like hire that man

Crazy talk. Chancellor has bigger issues than his knowledge of the 2-3 zone.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Right. Sveryud is a dope. Michigan saw that and was like hire that man

Crazy talk. Chancellor has bigger issues than his knowledge of the 2-3 zone.

The reality is Syracuse has no choice but to invest in athletics in order to remain a successful academic institution. With enrollment trends and how students are selecting colleges, we have to be able to offer students a big time college sports environment. The school has this data and knows it. Without it, Syracuse is a very overpriced middle of the road university in a location a lot of students don’t want to go when they can go south for college or select less expensive schools in the northeast or ones with better academic rankings.

Look at the peers in the northeast and it’s obvious. BC falls back on academic reputation and its location. All the small liberal arts schools have much better academic reputations throughout the northeast. Then you have state or smaller schools that are more affordable.

Without sports, Syracuse could be a failing university. Kent knew that and it’s why he supported athletics. You can only spend so much of course but we have spent a lot. We just got stuck with a bad replacement for Boeheim after his end of career issues.

 

[MikeSU02]

I’m not sure OP is saying that the current admin is anti sports.

I do think there is validity in wanting stability and a clear future vision from the people who will be in charge for this hire.

We’ve basically had JB and the JB extension for half a century or so and if we’re finally making a break, it should be with the full-throated support of new admin and the AD. Everyone rowing in the same direction to the same cadence.

I don’t think KS is hostile to athletics, but he’s got a new gig and this is a major hire we have coming up that will be a serious program change because of the divorce from JB.

 

[Newhouser]

The reality is Syracuse has no choice but to invest in athletics in order to remain a successful academic institution. With enrollment trends and how students are selecting colleges, we have to be able to offer students a big time college sports environment. The school has this data and knows it. Without it, Syracuse is a very overpriced middle of the road university in a location a lot of students don’t want to go when they can go south for college or select less expensive schools in the northeast or ones with better academic rankings.

Look at the peers in the northeast and it’s obvious. BC falls back on academic reputation and its location. All the small liberal arts schools have much better academic reputations throughout the northeast. Then you have state or smaller schools that are more affordable.

Without sports, Syracuse could be a failing university. Kent knew that and it’s why he supported athletics. You can only spend so much of course but we have spent a lot. We just got stuck with a bad replacement for Boeheim after his end of career issues.

Exactly. Any Chancellor knows this and so did Sevy.

 

[Bulldog04]

The new chancellor is already at Syracuse and already involved in things