The coaching absolutely stinks

[Cuse4455]

Watch and read this thread.

 

[Nicknack]

Watch and read this thread.

Thanks for sharing - that was really good analysis and sad at the same time.

 

[PhatOrange]

Watch and read this thread.

Lol that’s Girard and Edward’s on the coverage to.

Girard is just embarrassing when it comes to his defense and hustle.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Watch and read this thread.

This appears to support the OP's thread title.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Watch and read this thread.

Since musk took over Twitter, I can actually read full threads like this again without signing up.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Everyone has an opinion. Some say hire outside some say hire within. The thing is the AD is going to make the decision on what he thinks is best for SU and the bball program.

It’s not difficult to see the program has to go outside for the next coach. Show me what Autry and GMac have done to prove they are capable of being the next head coach at SU? Honestly, their recent performance is closer to warrant firing over promotion.

I think many Syracuse fans are too blinded by loyalty which clouds their (hypothetical) decision making abilities

 

[Millhouse]

This appears to support the OP's thread title.

That twitter thread supports a different thread title too. Joe Girard needs to SIT.

 

[Cusefan0307]

It’s not difficult to see the program has to go outside for the next coach. Show me what Autry and GMac have done to prove they are capable of being the next head coach at SU? Honestly, their recent performance is closer to warrant firing over promotion.

I think many Syracuse fans are too blinded by loyalty which clouds their (hypothetical) decision making abilities

It's not just fans. If you think there's no politics involved in this you are kidding with yourself.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

It's not just fans. If you think there's no politics involved in this you are kidding with yourself.

Thanks Brandon!

 

[Millhouse]

Nothing good happens when Boeheim swings and misses on point guards. It goes back so long. It's so much like football and QB. We don't have the luxury to be wrong on PGs.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Nothing good happens when Boeheim swings and misses on point guards.

... and wings, and shooting guards, and centers and ...

I just don't think he has the coaching philosophy that elevates non-NBA players to an effective college team. A lot of digital ink has been spilled on this forum about JG3's Duke offer, but there is zero chance he'd be anything other than a 7th or 8th guard off the bench to get an extra shooter out there. Not with his defense when Duke relies on high pressure M2M.

 

[Millhouse]

... and wings, and shooting guards, and centers and ...

I just don't think he has the coaching philosophy that elevates non-NBA players to an effective college team. A lot of digital ink has been spilled on this forum about JG3's Duke offer, but there is zero chance he'd be anything other than a 7th or 8th guard off the bench to get an extra shooter out there. Not with his defense when Duke relies on high pressure M2M.

Do you think those positions are equally significant and we struggle at recruiting all of those positions equally?

How long have you wanted him gone? Just curious. I suspect you'll get offended a little bit at the question but I think it's relevant

 

[Bayside44]

... and wings, and shooting guards, and centers and ...

I just don't think he has the coaching philosophy that elevates non-NBA players to an effective college team. A lot of digital ink has been spilled on this forum about JG3's Duke offer, but there is zero chance he'd be anything other than a 7th or 8th guard off the bench to get an extra shooter out there. Not with his defense when Duke relies on high pressure M2M.

We've had great teams that were loaded with AAAA types that got maybe a cup of coffee in the league or not even. Not sure what the definition of non-NBA player is in this one.

 

[kcsu]

Did K consult with JB when JB was his assistant I wonder.

Yea

 

[Fly Rodder]

Do you think those positions are equally significant and we struggle at recruiting all of those positions equally?

How long have you wanted him gone? Just curious. I suspect you'll get offended a little bit at the question but I think it's relevant

No - but there have been failures at each of those positions despite recruiting highly rated players.

As for the latter, ever since sanctions were handed down and roster mgmt took a nose dive. Too many center projects, too many combo guards who didn't pan out or couldn't carry a team.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Do you think those positions are equally significant and we struggle at recruiting all of those positions equally?

How long have you wanted him gone? Just curious. I suspect you'll get offended a little bit at the question but I think it's relevant

Since the second probation for me.

 

[Fly Rodder]

loaded with AAAA types that got maybe a cup of coffee in the league

That's pretty much the talent level Syracuse is used to having with the occasional 3-7 year NBA veteran. Even a handful of games in the NBA is exceptionally rare for a college player. Since sanctions, it's been a parade of kids with either NBA size/athleticism and limited skills or decent skills but without the size/athleticism to really play the coach's offense and defense. It's obvious that while there are exceptions to everything - but the team has been overwhelmingly mediocre and more or less a plucky mid-major since sanctions relative to expectations for a top-10 all-time winningest program.

ETA: The emphasis is really the point here - there are good programs that take kids who will never sniff the NBA and mold them into capable teams. With the right players, JAB's offense and defense can be exceptional - but that is reliant on uber-talented players like Melo, Wes, Flynn, Rak, etc. Fab was never going to be a long-term NBA player, but in the zone with the right help, he was an absolute monster.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I like Joe, but his lack of effort on the defensive end should be embarrassing to the entire coaching staff. If they continue to allow this, it answers all JW needs to know about any future head coaches on this coaching staff. I’d love to be a fly on the wall when other teams are watching tapes of our games. They have to laugh at Joe’s effort on the defensive end. If they don’t get after him, they will lose all credibility with this team. It’s obvious in man defense, but JB will blame someone else in the zone. That’s why he likes to play zone. Less accountability with players, unless he has his one player he dogs excessively.

 

[Cusefan0307]

That twitter thread supports a different thread title too. Joe Girard needs to SIT.

All a part of the coaching. They allowed that to happen without adjusting. This is the environment that was created. The same can be said for Jesses performance IMO. If we have any chance to win some games those two need to give maximum effort and effort is in coaching. The fact Joe wasn’t called out or sat for this during the game is a coaching issue.

 

[Orangefizz]

It is going to be a very bad season - one of the worst in Boeheim's tenure. The only good that can come out of it is if finally the AD and/or Boeheim pull the plug and start over, which should have happened years ago.

I can't comprehend how this was allowed to happen. Never would I imagine that Buffalo would be more highly regarded than SU and that Colgate would dominate us 2 years in a row in the same fashion and we'd have no answers. We have a new and improved Dome with a dedicated fan base that is over 30k fans at big games and over 20k at regular conference games, a top notch training facility that is up there with the best in college basketball, a storied history and we've been reduced to this? We lose out consistently on big recruits and the major ones in our backyard really don't even consider us, or they simply give us a courtesy consideration or visit, mainly because they get invited to our summer day camp and receive an offer.

Not even Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas with their great coaches would put up with this if coach K, Calipari or Self allowed their program to take this kind of turn. They'd be gone sooner rather than later.

The program should always be bigger than any coach. If not, you end up in the place where SU and Georgetown basketball currently sits.

Let’s face it - we’re Indiana after they lost Knight. They were hanging in the wilderness for 20 years and only now are starting to get competitive again

 

[M2MPrinciples]

A big part of an effective 2-3 is that the center has to be vocal because the guys at the top can't see what else the offense is doing. It's especially true when the rest of the team is as young as this year's team is. I really like Edwards as a producer but this is something he really needs to step up. I don't care if he gets it from the coaches or if he does it himself but it needs to happen for this team to not sweat it out on Selection Sunday.

Joe's effort on defense is terrible. I'm sure some of it is because he has to conserve energy and fouls to play 35+ minutes every night, but he's not even contesting shots.

 

[djcon57]

That’s why he likes to play zone. Less accountability with players, unless he has his one player he dogs excessively.

There's little doubt to me this has been true especially the last couple years. The nonsense that it was the forwards fault the last couple of years when the top 2 repeatedly couldn't stop any sort of penetration whatsoever. Is what it is.

 

[Millhouse]

All a part of the coaching. They allowed that to happen without adjusting. This is the environment that was created. The same can be said for Jesses performance IMO. If we have any chance to win some games those two need to give maximum effort and effort is in coaching. The fact Joe wasn’t called out or sat for this during the game is a coaching issue.

I disagree with Boeheim all the time and agree that he has been wrong about Girard for so long.

I agree with a lot of the criticisms of people who want him canned, I just don't want to push him out

 

[djcon57]

I disagree with Boeheim all the time and agree that he has been wrong about Girard for so long.

I agree with a lot of the criticisms of people who want him canned, I just don't want to push him out

I think thats fair, but honest question, how bad would it need to get to change your opinion?

10 wins?
6 wins?
3?

or never...no change.

 

[Orangefizz]

You’re taking the word hate too literally. But you can look at any number of posts and see words used that say hate. And I think it’s worse here than the fball board. The fball board complains about coaching. Here we see words far more shots at the person.

I think it’s only fair that we criticize JAB and his surly personality, stubbornness, and lack of effort and preparation; especially with the way he treats many of his players and reporters/journalists who are also just doing their jobs.

He’s had an unbelievable successful run but he has not been putting in the effort required to be a successful head coach for nearly 10 years. He doesn’t seem bothered with recruiting and didn’t even go into the portal last year with three lower ranked freshman forwards and a disappointing Benny Williams. This is only one year after he lazily went into the portal to grab the lowest hanging fruit possible. Where is the tenacity and passion for Syracuse basketball?

This is head coaching malfeasance at the highest levels. It’s fine if the team is winning, but the team has been losing consistently for nearly 10 years.