The coaching absolutely stinks

[Orangefizz]

Nothing good happens when Boeheim swings and misses on point guards. It goes back so long. It's so much like football and QB. We don't have the luxury to be wrong on PGs.

Boeheim hasn’t even tried to recruit actual point guards. He’s been recruiting tall combo guards and painfully trying to convert them to be a point guard

 

[Millhouse]

I think thats fair, but honest question, how bad would it need to get to change your opinion?

10 wins?
6 wins?
3?

or never...no change.

i think it would take care of itself before it got to that. Last year was only terrible by his standards. I just don't think it's right to get too furious about one year under .500 in my whole life . This year will probably pretty bad. I don't want to fire him for one pretty bad year. So then after a second pretty bad year, it sounds like he'll be done on his own.

Let's say this year and next year are 2 10 win seasons and he doesn't quit, I probably move over to your side.

 

[Millhouse]

Boeheim hasn’t even tried to recruit actual point guards. He’s been recruiting tall combo guards and painfully trying to convert them to be a point guard

Because you can't teach size and he needs it for the zone. I've been harping on these tradeoffs for a long time, it's too hard for us to find a pg that allows us to shoot and defend because of the zone

 

[Fly Rodder]

Because you can't teach size and he needs it for the zone. I've been harping on these tradeoffs for a long time, it's too hard for us to find a pg that allows us to shoot and defend because of the zone

MCW was the best and worst thing to happen at that time.

 

[Millhouse]

I think it’s only fair that we criticize JAB and his surly personality, stubbornness, and lack of effort and preparation; especially with the way he treats many of his players and reporters/journalists who are also just doing their jobs.

He’s had an unbelievable successful run but he has not been putting in the effort required to be a successful head coach for nearly 10 years. He doesn’t seem bothered with recruiting and didn’t even go into the portal last year with three lower ranked freshman forwards and a disappointing Benny Williams. This is only one year after he lazily went into the portal to grab the lowest hanging fruit possible. Where is the tenacity and passion for Syracuse basketball?

This is head coaching malfeasance at the highest levels. It’s fine if the team is winning, but the team has been losing consistently for nearly 10 years.

malfeasance at the highest levels

 

[Millhouse]

MCW was the best and worst thing to happen at that time.

unless you own a bathrobe emporium, there was nothing that's the worst at that time

 

[Orangefizz]

Because you can't teach size and he needs it for the zone. I've been harping on these tradeoffs for a long time, it's too hard for us to find a pg that allows us to shoot and defend because of the zone

Girard has size for the zone? He’s an elite shooter but a terrible defensive liability at the guard position. He should never have been paired with Buddy the past 3 years to make the most unathletic defensive pairing in Syracuse basketball history under Boeheim. Again this is coach showing his lazy recruiting by grabbing a hometown hero from Albany instead of a top rated athletic point guard. In fact, I bet it was GMAC who actually did the recruiting and Boeheim just signed off on it.

For the past three years Joe should have been the first guard off the bench to provide instant offense when his shot is falling.

 

[Millhouse]

Girard has size for the zone? He’s an elite shooter but a terrible defensive liability at the guard position. He should never have been paired with Buddy the past 3 years to make the most unathletic defensive pairing in Syracuse basketball history under Boeheim. Again this is coach showing his lazy recruiting by grabbing a hometown hero from Albany instead of a top rated athletic point guard. In fact, I bet it was GMAC who actually did the recruiting and Boeheim just signed off on it.

For the past three years Joe should have been the first guard off the bench to provide instant offense when his shot is falling.

I don't know how you could read my posts and think that I said that Girard has the size for the zone.

I don't want Joe Girard to play at all. Maybe quarterback, i'd give that a shot.

 

[Fly Rodder]

unless you own a bathrobe emporium, there was nothing that's the worst at that time

It made JAB think that he could take any tweener SF and turn them into a all-world PG.

 

[Millhouse]

It made JAB think that he could take any tweener SF and turn them into a all-world PG.

Yeah, that's why we've been watching joe girard and john gillon and jalen carey

 

[Jake]

It’s hard now to pick a philosophy. These mid majors with guys who have been in the system for 2-3 years are so much better prepared for teams like ours that have had soo much turnover. Our coach can’t handle a roster full of newbies anymore.

If you’re going to have so many new faces, you need to be Uber talented. We are not. Well coached cohesive teams are going to shred us all season long.

We look disorganized, disinterested and frustrated. We have a bad philosophy combined with an aging coach and marginal overall talent. It’s a bad mix. Coaches can make a difference with the level of effort players provide. It’s not there this year.

You either have to go all in on NIL or relegate yourself to the once every 3 year make a run with a team that’s been together for 2/3 years kinda program.

We’re half pregnant.

Good teams are gonna have bad losses early in the year because of the time it’ll take to gel. I’m not sure this team would be competitive in the ACC if they all stayed 4 years.

We’ll know more in about 2 weeks.

 

[RF2044]

Because you can't teach size and he needs it for the zone. I've been harping on these tradeoffs for a long time, it's too hard for us to find a pg that allows us to shoot and defend because of the zone

...and PG is the one position in college basketball where skill shouldn't be sacrificed just to recruit bigger kids who are better fits for the zone defensively.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Yeah, that's why we've been watching joe girard and john gillon and jalen carey

Obviously you're bored today. Two of those guys played only because the original tweener SF PG failed miserably. JG3 isn't a PG either, but JAB wanted him to play because Buddy, the tweener SF, was shoehorned into the 2G role despite being a poor defender at the top of the zone and slow footed.

And Carey played a grand total of 300 minutes and then transferred. JAB really committed to playing that kid.

Have a fun day.

 

[Orangefizz]

I don't know how you could read my posts and think that I said that Girard has the size for the zone.

I don't want Joe Girard to play at all. Maybe quarterback, i'd give that a shot.

Joe definitely has a role on this team, as well as the last three teams. But it’s not as a prominent starter; it should be as a Vinnie Johnson microwave scoring 6th man.

 

[djorange1989]

It’s hard now to pick a philosophy. These mid majors with guys who have been in the system for 2-3 years are so much better prepared for teams like ours that have had soo much turnover. Our coach can’t handle a roster full of newbies anymore.

If you’re going to have so many new faces, you need to be Uber talented. We are not. Well coached cohesive teams are going to shred us all season long.

We look disorganized, disinterested and frustrated. We have a bad philosophy combined with an aging coach and marginal overall talent. It’s a bad mix. Coaches can make a difference with the level of effort players provide. It’s not there this year.

You either have to go all in on NIL or relegate yourself to the once every 3 year make a run with a team that’s been together for 2/3 years kinda program.

We’re half pregnant.

Good teams are gonna have bad losses early in the year because of the time it’ll take to gel. I’m not sure this team would be competitive in the ACC if they all stayed 4 years.

We’ll know more in about 2 weeks.

this is one of the most depressing posts I have read. why? because it is so accurate

 

[Bayside44]

It’s hard now to pick a philosophy. These mid majors with guys who have been in the system for 2-3 years are so much better prepared for teams like ours that have had soo much turnover. Our coach can’t handle a roster full of newbies anymore.

If you’re going to have so many new faces, you need to be Uber talented. We are not. Well coached cohesive teams are going to shred us all season long.

We look disorganized, disinterested and frustrated. We have a bad philosophy combined with an aging coach and marginal overall talent. It’s a bad mix. Coaches can make a difference with the level of effort players provide. It’s not there this year.

You either have to go all in on NIL or relegate yourself to the once every 3 year make a run with a team that’s been together for 2/3 years kinda program.

We’re half pregnant.

Good teams are gonna have bad losses early in the year because of the time it’ll take to gel. I’m not sure this team would be competitive in the ACC if they all stayed 4 years.

We’ll know more in about 2 weeks.

Great post, our development type guys basically bolted to be the same or less at other places. This crew minus JM are just a bunch of guys where maybe we squeeze two system guys out of it in a few years.

 

[Millhouse]

Obviously you're bored today. Two of those guys played only because the original tweener SF PG failed miserably. JG3 isn't a PG either, but JAB wanted him to play because Buddy, the tweener SF, was shoehorned into the 2G role despite being a poor defender at the top of the zone and slow footed.

And Carey played a grand total of 300 minutes and then transferred. JAB really committed to playing that kid.

Have a fun day.

Just because Buddy was shoehorned into the 2 doesn't mean that JG3 needed to play point. He could've sat.

Carey did nothing after he left - he was an obvious miss. But he wasn't the big PG that you think JB insists on - he wasn't some afterthought recruit.

And you ignored Gillon.

How is the original SF PG Tweener you're referring to? Are you going back to Frank Howard?

He likes big point guards and he'll roll the dice on combo guards there but it's not absolute

And it worked pretty well with MCW, Gbinije

Boeheim swings and misses with small point guards too often

 

[DilemaCuse]

I was looking back at past recruiting classes and how we struggle to keep guys for 4 years.

We used to lose them to the NBA, now its the portal.

18-Bazley went G league, Carey was a bust, Braswell contributed but transferred, and Buddy stayed 4 years.

19-5 man class, 3 remain, only Jesse and Joe can contribute today.

20-3 Man class plus Allan Griffin, all gone today. Richmond, Woody, Frank.

21- Only 1 recruit from HS. Needed to add more after the class of 20 was crumbling. Benny, he will be hit or miss depending on the day. Added JBjr and Swider from Portal. Good 1 year rentals but too similar in style and liability on D.

So 1 guy from class of 20 and 21! That kills any chance for experienced depth.

22-6 man + Hima. Judah can contribute today, the rest of the freshman are Jags (just another guy) right now.

The attrition, combined with the lack of securing high level, top 50 players and replacing through the portal has decimated the roster. Its really caught up with the program and JB can't really make chicken salad out of chicken...like he used to.

I was stunned JB wanted to return for another year at age 78 with what looked like to me was a rebuild. Then I thought, maybe Judah will elevate everyone and the dynamics of the team will be different and better but I think that was unrealistic.

 

[Cuse4455]

Colgate is down 14! To Himas former school lmao

 

[BigNastyJon]

Colgate is down 14! To Himas former school lmao

Duquesne is just really good. Would be one of the best teams we’d play this year.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Duquesne is just really good. Would be one of the best teams we’d play this year.

True or sarcasm?

 

[Dinkyspond]

True or sacasm?

Just looked it up, sarcasm it is. The Dukes were picked 12th in a 16 team league.

 

[Ozone!]

Many questions and many prophecies; what and who will be the answer?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

add in St.Bonnie too. It's only a matter of time with this regime that Cornell clips us too.

When is the game this year?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

That's pretty much the talent level Syracuse is used to having with the occasional 3-7 year NBA veteran. Even a handful of games in the NBA is exceptionally rare for a college player. Since sanctions, it's been a parade of kids with either NBA size/athleticism and limited skills or decent skills but without the size/athleticism to really play the coach's offense and defense. It's obvious that while there are exceptions to everything - but the team has been overwhelmingly mediocre and more or less a plucky mid-major since sanctions relative to expectations for a top-10 all-time winningest program.

ETA: The emphasis is really the point here - there are good programs that take kids who will never sniff the NBA and mold them into capable teams. With the right players, JAB's offense and defense can be exceptional - but that is reliant on uber-talented players like Melo, Wes, Flynn, Rak, etc. Fab was never going to be a long-term NBA player, but in the zone with the right help, he was an absolute monster.

Stop on the sanctions. JB’s team, JB’s sanctions. He was either complicit or intentionally ignorant. Either way it’s on him. He’s a 2x NCAA loser. He used up his goodwill, IMO.