The committee finally annoyed the talking heads

[SmilinBob]

The Ohio State team that beat Miami didn't pass the eye ball test either as they struggled but won all their games that year but yet still got a chance to play in the championship game. Who won that game? This thing is sickening and in no way shape or form would Bama be #4 if they were undefeated and the defending champion if they did the exact same thing as FSU did this year. I'd also be surprised if Bama didn't get all the votes for first as well. I think they are positioning FSU to be bounced the second they lose to GT. I hate this political bull crap.

To add to that this whole new Baylor/TCU thing. There is no doubt an 8 team playoff gets all the P5 champions. (Bevo would still be fun to watch) If the season was finished Today: Bama, Oregon, Baylor/TCU, FSU, OSU, Arizona and Michigan St. The teams that won their conference are there.

 

[orange79]

FSU sucks and shouldn't even be top 4.

I would love to suck so badly (and be 12-0).

 

[NineOneSeven]

That's not the real story IMHO. They just entrenched TCU in the top 4.

No way they are dropping them from 3 to 5 if they win and tOSU and/or Baylor win. The top 4 all control their own destiny now.

I could see FSU jumping back to 3 if they beat GaTech soundly. But I think this locks in TCU into the playoff assuming they handle Iowa State.

And they're not putting a 1 loss tOSU it Baylor in over an undefeated FSU.

Which they won't, as that has been the theme all year with FSU.

BTW, Ga Tech still run like 100 options a game?

 

[skurey]

I would love to suck so badly (and be 12-0).

Yeah when I say suck I mean compared to their record. They are probably a top 10 team rather than top 4.

 

[Stern]

If FSU and tOSU both win, I can easily see the committee giving the 4th spot to whichever team looked more impressive on Saturday.

They can't drop an undefeated FSU team out of the Top 4

 

[Stern]

It's FSU's own fault for white knuckling out these games. Georgia Tech beating Georgia was huge for FSU. If they win they could easily pass TCU. And really, FSU doesn't look like a top 4 team.

Yep, its FSU's fault for winning every game. Those SOB's! What were they thinking. Better to just lose one than win every game close

 

[Stern]

My thought is they put Alabama against FSU in order to have at least one large media/viewership draw in the final. My guess was that they didn't think a TCU-Oregon Final would be very attractive to viewership. :noidea:

This is 100% true. They want the West Coast or Texas in that final game strictly for TV ratings purposes and to cover a larger part of the county.

 

[longislandcuse]

I just think it's disrespectful to the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. This team is undefeated, beat Clemson without Winston and beat Louisville on the road. They can't help it that ND and Ok St **** the bed. I'm skeptical on how good any of the Big XII teams are anyway and the ACC just went 4-0 against the SEC.

ACC teams actually play defense so FSU can't just air raid their way to oooh's and ahhh's.

 

[SmilinBob]

Yep, its FSU's fault for winning every game. Those SOB's! What were they thinking. Better to just lose one than win every game close

Or to a 3 loss team like Bama did.

 

[skurey]

Lol just watch FSU play and watch Alabama play. They aren't even close. FSU got to beat teams like Syracuse.

 

[KaiserUEO]

He's leaving anyway. Probably right after the playoffs.

if im him, after his last game...a L or 3 more Ws...i do the post game in an 10k Armani suit and a 50k rolex watch...leave the podium and get on a GIV for a week in Dubai, never to step foot on campus again.

then come back and get ready for the draft.

 

[NKR1978]

They can't drop an undefeated FSU team out of the Top 4

And Georgia Tech is a better team than Wisconsin with a great OOC win. Wisconsin doesn't have one and lost to LSU. OSU doesn't have a good OOC win but it has a loss to a mediocre ACC team.

I don't like that FSU is 4th, but there is no way an undefeated FSU will be left out.

 

[NKR1978]

Yep, its FSU's fault for winning every game. Those SOB's! What were they thinking. Better to just lose one than win every game close

I would kill for their season. But the fact that these games are coming down to the last possession means something to the committee. They don't appear to be getting better when other teams around them are.

 

[sufandu]

Might it have been the fact that FSU played a team that is not even remotely amongst the top six teams in the SEC and yet were life and death with the Gators on their home field. I find it refreshing that the Committee is paying attention and that how you play matters. In the old days FSU would have been ranked #1 by the pollsters. Quality of schedule and quality of play should matter.

I have no problem with FSU dropping, but if it had been an SEC team like Georgia barely pulling out a win, SEC homers would've been talking about how tough the league is top to bottom. But, then again, Georgia got housed by them, so I suppose that argument isn't even a possibility.

FSU is weaker this year than they were last year, and they've sleep walked through the first half of every game they played this year. We'll get our chance to see how good they are when they play in the mini-playoff, which is how it should be.

 

[PoppyHart]

They can't drop an undefeated FSU team out of the Top 4

They've already, at least as of Dec. 2, deemed an undefeated team to be inferior to 3 other conference leaders, so I see no reason why they would stop that line of thought.

If the committee is being genuine, they would pick the better team at season's end, not the most deserving based on the "body of work". It's often impossible to separate those two over only 12 games, but the pattern that FSU has shown could certainly allow a subjective committee to believe that OSU or even Baylor were better than FSU.

 

[Stern]

They've already, at least as of Dec. 2, deemed an undefeated team to be inferior to 3 other conference leaders, so I see no reason why they would stop that line of thought.

If the committee is being genuine, they would pick the better team at season's end, not the most deserving based on the "body of work". It's often impossible to separate those two over only 12 games, but the pattern that FSU has shown could certainly allow a subjective committee to believe that OSU or even Baylor were better than FSU.

Dropping them in the playoff rankings and keeping them out of the playoffs altogether are 2 very different things. They won't keep an undefeated FSU team who is the defending national champion out of the playoffs. To think they will is foolish

 

[bpo57]

I have no problem with FSU dropping, but if it had been an SEC team like Georgia barely pulling out a win, SEC homers would've been talking about how tough the league is top to bottom. But, then again, Georgia got housed by them, so I suppose that argument isn't even a possibility.

FSU is weaker this year than they were last year, and they've sleep walked through the first half of every game they played this year. We'll get our chance to see how good they are when they play in the mini-playoff, which is how it should be.

Who are these SEC homers and are they different from ACC homers or B1G homers?

 

[TheCusian]

I think too much has been made of FSU's close games. They have faced better rated defenses that Bama. Bama gave up 600+ yards to Auburn and it was close at the end.

Truth is that the SEC is serially overrated and the ACC is serially underrated. Don't remember the link - but their was an article showing just that with AP voters. ACC teams fall further when they lose and SEC teams are given the benefit of the doubt.

The ACC has more top wins OOC than every other conference this year. We have higher rated defenses than every other conference.

Even our game is interesting. People think (maybe rightly) - it's Syracuse, they should win by 50. But our D is rated in the top 35.

 

[TheCusian]

Who are these SEC homers and are they different from ACC homers or B1G homers?

They are louder and more obnoxious. And have successfully lobbied the media and voters for years.

Not saying they haven't been the best conference - but they get the benefit of the doubt far more often than not.

 

[TheCusian]

Also, lots of good stuff here: http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/77864/fact-acc-delivers-message-to-sec

 

[bpo57]

I think too much has been made of FSU's close games. They have faced better rated defenses that Bama. Bama gave up 600+ yards to Auburn and it was close at the end.

Truth is that the SEC is serially overrated and the ACC is serially underrated. Don't remember the link - but their was an article showing just that with AP voters. ACC teams fall further when they lose and SEC teams are given the benefit of the doubt.

The ACC has more top wins OOC than every other conference this year. We have higher rated defenses than every other conference.

Even our game is interesting. People think (maybe rightly) - it's Syracuse, they should win by 50. But our D is rated in the top 35.

You have a short memory. Auburn rolled up and down the field last year on FSU when they actually had a very good defense. Auburn's problem is their defense is suspect but their offense could move at will against any ACC team this year. SEC Serially overrated? How can you make that claim when they've won 7 of the last 8 NCs, had 36% of all first rounders in the NFL in the last five years and have won 71% of their bowl games in the same period.

Listening to you guys denigrate the SEC is kinda like somebody trying to make the case that Kate Upton has a small rack. Laughable.

 

[bpo57]

They are louder and more obnoxious. And have successfully lobbied the media and voters for years.

Not saying they haven't been the best conference - but they get the benefit of the doubt far more often than not.

That tends to happen when you win it all nearly every year, crush teams in bowl games and see an outsized proportion of the players from your conference playing on Sundays. Funny how it works that way.

 

[bpo57]

This past weekend a 2-6 UK team took one of the ACC powers in Louisville to the brink at the Ville. Meanwhile a very mediocre Florida squad with a really poor QB played FSU to a standstill at the Doak. And yet you want to assert ACC superiority?

 

[Alsacs]

You have a short memory. Auburn rolled up and down the field last year on FSU when they actually had a very good defense. Auburn's problem is their defense is suspect but their offense could move at will against any ACC team this year. SEC Serially overrated? How can you make that claim when they've won 7 of the last 8 NCs, had 36% of all first rounders in the NFL in the last five years and have won 71% of their bowl games in the same period.

Listening to you guys denigrate the SEC is kinda like somebody trying to make the case that Kate Upton has a small rack. Laughable.

Kentucky played Florida to a 2OT game, played. SEC East champ. Missouri only beat Kentucky by 10 points and Mississippi State played a tough game before beating UK.

The SEC can't have it both ways. UK lost to UL. If close games. UVA outplayed UCLA which needed 3 defensive TDs to beat UVA.

 

[bpo57]

Kentucky played Florida to a 2OT game, played. SEC East champ. Missouri only beat Kentucky by 10 points and Mississippi State played a tough game before beating UK.

The SEC can't have it both ways. UK lost to UL. If close games. UVA outplayed UCLA which needed 3 defensive TDs to beat UVA.

The SEC East was mediocre this year. Most of the attention given to the SEC was with the SEC West. They went 28-0 out side their conference. Plenty of cupcakes but they did beat Wisc, KSt, Boise State, WVa to name a few.