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[Crusty]

Just win, baby!

 

[hungrychuck]

670 yards. Who cares?

What sort of OL would you say he was running behind?

 

[SUFan44]

Babers doesn’t owe a call to any HS coach who is calling about playing time. Ever. Period.

End of story.

Ridiculous article and quite frankly, I’m surprised at how you feel about it sutomcat. It was anything but balanced or fair. A (somewhat poorly constructed) smear job, in my view.

Luckily for us, I doubt anyone that knows anything is going to care about it. And this Graham character will be blogging about Saint Peter’s basketball in 3 years.

 

[hungrychuck]

670 yards. Who cares?

And btw, 5.7 yards per carry is better than Floyd Little ever managed in his Orange career.

 

[dasher]

Babers doesn’t owe a call to any HS coach who is calling about playing time. Ever. Period.

End of story.

Ridiculous article and quite frankly, I’m surprised at how you feel about it sutomcat. It was anything but balanced or fair. A (somewhat poorly constructed) smear job, in my view.

Luckily for us, I doubt anyone that knows anything is going to care about it. And this Graham character will be blogging about Saint Peter’s basketball in 3 years.

I have to agree with you. I don't understand the purpose of the article. Who cares where we get good players from. And seeing that we are for the first time in a long time looking like a real exciting football program, why write something like that? Not to mention that we got three real good players from the state of New York this year.

 

[hungrychuck]

Babers doesn’t owe a call to any HS coach who is calling about playing time. Ever. Period.

End of story.

Ridiculous article and quite frankly, I’m surprised at how you feel about it sutomcat. It was anything but balanced or fair. A (somewhat poorly constructed) smear job, in my view.

Luckily for us, I doubt anyone that knows anything is going to care about it. And this Graham character will be blogging about Saint Peter’s basketball in 3 years.

I'm with Tom that the article wasn't that unbalanced, although the part about the OSU recruits was ridiculously naive.

Even the stuff from the Lawrence coach was brilliant in a way. It says more about the ridiculous egos of many who go into coaching at any level than it does about Dino.

I think Dino came out better in that exchange, and it's not close.

 

[Townie72]

That depends on the HS coach. The coach from, say, Vestavia Hills, who routinely gets his team into the state playoffs/championships and has several D1 FBS kids on the roster each year is going to have a lot of pull.

That's why the first word in my post is "rarely".

DeMatha High in DC has had years where they have 12 or 12 kids get a DI scholarship in a single year. But these are few and far between.

 

[Orangepace]

First, the article would have been perfectly fine had he stuck to the facts. The one problem I had with the article is that the writer chose only to include quotes from coaches that cast a slightly negative, which graduated to full on negative, commentary.

I just rewatched the entire Introductory Press Conference and he never "promises" to recruit NYS. The quote in the article is exactly how he stated his approach to recruiting. In fact, he said that they need to work hard on Syracuse's backyard (NYS), but also to get into NJ, Philly and further down the seaboard.

I also quickly looked back at the recruits from NYS using one of the recruiting service sites and here is what I found:

• 2016 - There were 11 recruits rated 3*+. There were no 4* or 5*. None committed to Syracuse, but considering Dino had a late start on recruiting, I think it's appropriate to give him a pass.
• 2017 - There were 17 recruits rated 3*+. There was a 5* recruit, but the remainder were all 3*. Of those 17 recruits, 9 were offered by Syracuse. 2 committed. Another 3 or 4 had interest from Syracuse, but no offer was extended.
• 2018 - There are 28 recruits rated 3*+. There are two 4* recruits and one 5* recruit. Of those 28 recruits, 10 were offered by Syracuse. 3 have committed. Another 10 or so have had interest from Syracuse at some point in the cycle. The cycle isn't over yet.

So, based on the data, Syracuse has been involved, or at least shown interest, in more than 50% of the recruits 3* and above from NYS during each year of Dino's tenure. Honestly, I think that's more than adequate, so I'm not sure why people would be up in arms.

Further, all this talk about our recruiting classes largely coming from Florida and the midwest (MI, IL, etc.) seems somewhat misguided when taken out of context. Dino wasn't a Northeast guy. So in his first few years with Syracuse, he's done his diligence with regards to NYS recruits and then focused significant energies in the recruiting areas where he had experience and had previously developed relationships with high school coaches. I looked at Dino's 2015 class at Bowling Green and sure enough, they pulled 8 commitments from Florida kids and the remainder were largely from Ohio, Illinois and Michigan.

The coach complaining about the offensive lecture, or lack thereof, made me chuckle a little. Dino has said time and again that it takes a year and a half to fully install his offense. Consider the fact that the kids have been living and breathing nothing but this offensive scheme through spring and fall practices, studying the playbook and playing 20 games running the playbook. Did that coach really think that a lecture covering 1-2 hrs would even crack the cover of the scheme? That's unfair, especially considering that it's very likely the first time Dino has met many of these coaches.

 

[Orangepace]

Further, based on the absolute disdain related towards Dino by Coach Martillotti, I'm willing to bet that the messages left for Dino regarding the JF situation were quite unpleasant. While I think Dino should have at least returned the guy's phone call, typically when someone leaves you an unpleasant message, there is no good that can come from extending the conversation (returning the phone call). I do not think it's fair to expect Dino to have to return a phone call to an upset coach to explain/smooth over a football decision he makes. He is required to make decisions that put the football team in the position to succeed. Listening to a coach/parent complain about the amount of playing time their "guy" is getting is a direct contradiction of his duty.

Lastly, JF was good at running the football. JF was not good (in fact, quite bad) at pass blocking. Given the offensive philosophy, which focuses heavily on the passing game and also tempo (limiting the amount of substitutions), JF was not a good fit in a Dino Babers offense. Instead of complaining about his lack of PT, he should have dedicated those energies to improving his understanding of the RB's role in the blocking schemes of the new offense.

 

[tipphill]

its pretty simple. there are small pockets of good decent nys football,such as western ny, and metro nyc and li. the reality nys football is just not that good. not top shelf coaching and strict state laws on practicing and number of games. i do think nys state has it right, in terms of the priority is education.
nj as we know is significantly smaller but produces many more d1 prospects and is heavily recruited. why is that??? just asking,not being critical --legit question.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I have to agree with you. I don't understand the purpose of the article. Who cares where we get good players from. And seeing that we are for the first time in a long time looking like a real exciting football program, why write something like that? Not to mention that we got three real good players from the state of New York this year.

The purpose is clicks for the DO. How many of us have now read this article because of this thread.

 

[sutomcat]

The purpose is clicks for the DO. How many of us have now read this article because of this thread.

Just wanted to agree with you, the DO lost a bunch of excellent young sportswriters last year. Schwedelson, Schneidman, Grossman, Dougherty the year before...all really talented.

On a positive note, I really like this article in today's DO on Allen Griffin. Fortier hit a home run.

The lessons of Allen Griffin, Syracuse’s newest assistant coach

 

[TheCusian]

And btw, 5.7 yards per carry is better than Floyd Little ever managed in his Orange career.

He didn’t impress his coach enough to be #1. That means doing *all* of the stuff you expect your #1 to do. He then chose to transfer rather than work to pass Strickland.

 

[djorange1989]

He didn’t impress his coach enough to be #1. That means doing *all* of the stuff you expect your #1 to do. He then chose to transfer rather than work to pass Strickland.

Transferred to one of the worst programs in the FBS to boot.

 

[blizz]

Babers doesn’t owe a call to any HS coach who is calling about playing time. Ever. Period.

End of story.

Ridiculous article and quite frankly, I’m surprised at how you feel about it sutomcat. It was anything but balanced or fair. A (somewhat poorly constructed) smear job, in my view.

Luckily for us, I doubt anyone that knows anything is going to care about it. And this Graham character will be blogging about Saint Peter’s basketball in 3 years.

I'm not so sure about the impact. Anyone who reads this article without a pretty nuanced understanding of D1 football recruiting is going to come away with a negative perception of Dino Babers. That is needlessly damaging. Think of a prospective recruit or parent reading this article, is it going to leave them with a good feeling about this staff? Just putting this out there is bad. The author either does not understand the realities of recruiting in general or purposefully framed the facts to paint Babers in a negative light. That is irresponsible. To come from the SU paper is a disgrace.

 

[PhatOrange]

The coach complaining about the offensive lecture, or lack thereof, made me chuckle a little. Dino has said time and again that it takes a year and a half to fully install his offense. Consider the fact that the kids have been living and breathing nothing but this offensive scheme through spring and fall practices, studying the playbook and playing 20 games running the playbook. Did that coach really think that a lecture covering 1-2 hrs would even crack the cover of the scheme? That's unfair, especially considering that it's very likely the first time Dino has met many of these coaches.

I can sort of understand. Troy is annually one of the top AA programs in the State (and currently ranked #1 this year to). The coach was under the impression they'd discuss offense, you could see the guy being excited to see some game film broken down and some analysis on what Babers/Staff see from the defense and how they attack it. You can understand him being disappointed. Not unlike the people around here who are always disappointed by the recruiting event and other such things.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Just wanted to agree with you, the DO lost a bunch of excellent young sportswriters last year. Schwedelson, Schneidman, Grossman, Dougherty the year before...all really talented.

On a positive note, I really like this article in today's DO on Allen Griffin. Fortier hit a home run.

The lessons of Allen Griffin, Syracuse’s newest assistant coach

I agree, that is a great article. I like Fortier. I think we were spoiled by the talent and quality of the DO writers covering football the last few years.

 

[Bayside44]

I doubt the Notre Dame school paper writes stories on Brian Kelly and Indiana high school coaches. Dino knows what he's doing.

 

[sutomcat]

I agree, that is a great article. I like Fortier. I think we were spoiled by the talent and quality of the DO writers covering football the last few years.

Yup.

Jesse Dougherty is writing for the Washington Post (he was the beat writer for the LA Kings before that). Matt Schneidman is the beat writer for the Oakland Raiders for Mercury News. Connor Grossman is covering MLB for Spotrs Illustrated.

And Paul Schwedelson is covering Montana State for the Bozeman Daily Chronicle. He must have a fetish for blizzards.

 

[jr4750]

I agree, that is a great article. I like Fortier. I think we were spoiled by the talent and quality of the DO writers covering football the last few years.

Jon Mettus as well was a great writer and very responsive on twitter to frustrated fans who wanted answers about the lax team. lol

 

[Newhouser]

Dino's priority should be to recruit the best 25 players he can get.

Regardless of where they come from.

I agree - wins motivate a fan base and focusing on high school players in NYS is not going to win us games. Check out Colgate's roster they don't have a ton of NY kids either. Football here is not good enough to invest too much time in.

 

[sutomcat]

Jon Metus as well was a great writer and very responsive on twitter to frustrated fans who wanted answers about the lax team. lol

Mettus was solid too and is in Bakerfield now, covering CSU Bakersfield and Bakersfield CC sports.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Jon Metus as well was a great writer and very responsive on twitter to frustrated fans who wanted answers about the lax team. lol

I follow all the DO sportswriters but not the writer of this HS coach article. Maybe that says something.

 

[bcubs9497]

I'm not so sure about the impact. Anyone who reads this article without a pretty nuanced understanding of D1 football recruiting is going to come away with a negative perception of Dino Babers. That is needlessly damaging. Think of a prospective recruit or parent reading this article, is it going to leave them with a good feeling about this staff? Just putting this out there is bad. The author either does not understand the realities of recruiting in general or purposefully framed the facts to paint Babers in a negative light. That is irresponsible. To come from the SU paper is a disgrace.

I don't think most parents are going to care much about some "unfavorable" article from the DO. Hell, I didn't know the DO existed for close to a year after Steven enrolled.

 

[upperdeck]

Bball coaches share stuff all the time in HS clinics, I dont fball coaches do it nearly as much. really though talking about what you see in a D to attack and also talking about how you would attack it are 2 different things.. I'm sure some of the stuff this offense does to expose and attack are things Dino does not really want to get out since his schemes are somewhat different than most. Maybe when the season is over the DO could get the coach to do a short story about his philosophy on sharing stuff with HS coaches that could clear up some of that mystery.