The only way to be in on Autry for 25-26 season

[atlanticuse]

If you were an ass't coach, wouldn't you be looking to get out of Dodge? Oh, and it will be impossible to replace them with anyone decent. If you had a option, would you choose us?

Hopkins…

 

[hoopsupstate]

If you were an ass't coach, wouldn't you be looking to get out of Dodge? Oh, and it will be impossible to replace them with anyone decent. If you had an option, would you choose us?

It would be great for Mike and Donna to get feedback from the assistants to see what changes the staff thinks they have to make to get ready for next year. We only hear from Griffin. Griffin doesn’t say anything publicly, but seems willing to discuss it.

 

[kingtidge]

If you were an ass't coach, wouldn't you be looking to get out of Dodge? Oh, and it will be impossible to replace them with anyone decent. If you had a option, would you choose us?

We will pretend Red's not a lame duck and not squarely on the hotseat from day 1.

Other programs will not be playing pretend and you can bet any recruit we are targeting will be told as much by our competition.

There will be a certain amount of self-fulfilling prophecy that comes with a lame duck coach and that will make his final year extra difficult.

It's good we have more NIL. We're really gonna need it.

 

[dasher]

Hopkins…

He is in the NBA now. I doubt he would want to come back here as an ass't. Because after that stint in Washington, the bloom is off that rose. And I love the guy.

 

[Jake]

I get that some folks are sure he’s awful and irredeemable. There’s a good chance you’re right. There’s literally nothing I can point to from this season that suggests he’s good. The lack of defensive effort is inexcusable. No one has improved offensively. It’s a total mess.

But Red’s coming back. There’s no reason to pretend otherwise. And I don’t think there’s program is dead forever because of it.

You make a good point. One of the criticisms of Red is that, in the world of NIL, you can turn a program around quickly and he hasn’t.

But it doesn’t mean the next guy can’t.

 

[hoopsupstate]

We will pretend Red's not a lame duck and not squarely on the hotseat from day 1.

Other programs will not be playing pretend and you can bet any recruit we are targeting will be told as much by our competition.

It's good we have more NIL. We're really gonna need it.

Red will need to get off to a good start next year to quiet all the talk. He needs to be very smart scheduling next year. We already know we have the NIL tournament that‘s loaded. We have a SEC game home and away game at Georgetown.

 

[atlanticuse]

He is in the NBA now. I doubt he would want to come back here as an ass't. Because after that stint in Washington, the bloom is off that rose. And I love the guy.

he still doesn't have a photo, and it's more than halfway through the NBA season.
Never say never.

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[bnoro]

If you were an ass't coach, wouldn't you be looking to get out of Dodge? Oh, and it will be impossible to replace them with anyone decent. If you had a option, would you choose us?

"Hey, come to Syracuse where you'll most likely be shown the door at the end of the season because I don't know how to coach defense" - Red

 

[OmahaCuse]

Red will get next year. If it fails do what St John’s did, go pay Shaka Smart or a big name splash hire 4.5M

 

[dasher]

Red will get next year. If it fails do what St John’s did, go pay Shaka Smart or a big name splash hire 4.5M

Shaka will have to fight off Brad Stevens and Jay Wright for the job

 

[Nicknack]

Every thread, no matter how it starts, becomes the same blend of crap. No one's fault here, but it just sucks due to state of our program. I no longer read articles, never listen to a press conference, and spend a fraction of time on this board compared to what I used to because of where our program has been driven... into the damn ground.

I actually fault Boeheim more than I do Red. Boeheim was competent. However, he chose to do or not do certain things (that he was capable of) due to stuborness, laziness, nepotism, etc. Red just isn't qualified. It's not his fault. He just clearly shouldn't be the head coach of a major basketball program.

 

[Nicknack]

Red will get next year. If it fails do what St John’s did, go pay Shaka Smart or a big name splash hire 4.5M

The thing about what St Johns did was a no brainer. Of course Pitino was going to be successful. That's why I was one who was begging for us to consider him, but many here didn't want any part of that. This was not a popular perspective at the time, for those who don't remember. As a school/program, we're too conservative for that kind of hire. St John's just wanted to win.

 

[RF2044]

My solution is not to whine like a little girl. We have raised more money than we had before. That is the good news. Do we have the money that the SEC and Big Ten teams do, no. But we have enough to compete. The solution is that first and foremost, we have to get better players. Our portal haul last year was woeful. Second, our coaching has to get a lot better. So far, it has been dreadful. Other than high school recruiting, this staff has done nothing well that I can see. I don't care who comes back from this team. They can all leave as far as I'm concerned. If Freeman comes back, okay. But our team plays dumb and plays no defense. My solution is to to build a team that at the very least, I want to watch.

Which is why people talking about increased n i l are missing the point, in my opinion. You can add whatever players you want, but if the coaching staff can't coach, it's irrelevant.

 

[RF2044]

You make a good point. One of the criticisms of Red is that, in the world of NIL, you can turn a program around quickly and he hasn’t.

But it doesn’t mean the next guy can’t.

Which is why we need to fail fast, and get back on track.

 

[jdubs30]

I’m not saying you said that. Everyone is expecting so much from Alex, I just hope he can do half of what everyone is expecting. Kline might do a great job evaluating players, but I’m concerned if we can get any of them. I’m hoping his connections with agents and scouts will have some clout.

what is everyone expecting? I’ve heard no optimism about the roster next year. I’m excited for Alex and think he will do a good job but I don’t think anyone is expecting him to bring in a top 10 transfer haul. And if next year doesn’t go well people will be focused on Red/JW. Honestly, if any potential high level recruit watches our offensive tape this year , why would they come here? Our roster build will be more hindered by NIL/our offensive system/current program state than Kline

 

[Jake]

Which is why we need to fail fast, and get back on track.

I’ll never root for us to fail.

 

[RF2044]

I’ll never root for us to fail.

Odd interpretation. We ARE failing, it has nothing to do with rooting for it. The key is to move past it swiftly, to get back on track.

 

[Scooch]

Odd interpretation. We ARE failing, it has nothing to do with rooting for it. The key is to move past it swiftly, to get back on track.

In fairness, there’s been more than a few people here who have worriedly asked what we’d do if we made the tourney next year as a mediocre seed. As if that’d be a bad outcome!

There are some folks who seem to be soooo dug in that Red is awful that they would prefer we suck next year rather than improve.

 

[BomberOrange]

In fairness, there’s been more than a few people here who have worriedly asked what we’d do if we made the tourney next year as a mediocre seed. As if that’d be a bad outcome!

There are some folks who seem to be soooo dug in that Red is awful that they would prefer we suck next year rather than improve.

I think the narrative is that if we are a play in team next year, does it count. Obviously the answer is no.

 

[Scooch]

I think the narrative is that if we are a play in team next year, does it count. Obviously the answer is no.

That too. But there’s also been discussion about “what if” we get a 10 seed. The inference is that’d be bad cause it’d mean Red is retained.

Like, if we get a 10 seed next year he *should* be retained. That’d be good!

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Not as many people yammering about Red’s stunning 20* wins last year.
Which was 19, plus a div 2 consolation prize.

Dude can’t coach.
Next year will be hot seat from day 0.

Red’s seat is already piping hot. It won’t get any cooler until he gets this team in the Top 25 and/or makes the NCAAT.

The next 60 days will make or break Red. If the portal is a bust again this year like last year, he’s basically guaranteed to be a lame duck coach.

 

[Cusefan95]

That too. But there’s also been discussion about “what if” we get a 10 seed. The inference is that’d be bad cause it’d mean Red is retained.

Like, if we get a 10 seed next year he *should* be retained. That’d be good!

We’ve been down this road in football. One good year in 2018 led to a nice contract for Dino…then 5 years of at best mediocrity before finally making a change. The fear is a #10 seed gets a terrible coach in Red another five years of .500 hoops before we’ll finally move on.

I wouldn’t have that fear if we were, say….UConn. But Syracuse will want to ride out any contract extension, which means a #10 seed is a legitimate risk that it wouldn’t be at more competently run university athletic departments.

Although to be clear - I’m not rooting for failure as much as mostly indifferent at this point.

 

[Scooch]

We’ve been down this road in football. One good year in 2018 led to a nice contract for Dino…then 5 years of at best mediocrity before finally making a change. The fear is a #10 seed gets a terrible coach in Red another five years of .500 hoops before we’ll finally move on.

I wouldn’t have that fear if we were, say….UConn. But Syracuse will want to ride out any contract extension, which means a #10 seed is a legitimate risk that it wouldn’t be at more competently run university athletic departments.

Although to be clear - I’m not rooting for failure as much as mostly indifferent at this point.

The circumstances would be different, IMHO. Babers winning 10 games for one of the few times in SU football history was a totally different animal than if Red eeks out a poor tourney seed.

Barbers was an actual attractive commodity for other programs at that point, with a couple of big upsets and that 10 win season on his resume. No one’s looking at Red for merely getting into the tourney.

No extension would be necessary nor given.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

I thought so too, but I keep being told on here that without Red we don’t have Kiyan.

Its really not hard to figure out. Red has been recruiting Kiyan to come to Syracuse for quite some time.
Keywords : Red and Kiyan

It would clearly be a risk if Red was fired that we could potentially lose Kiyan just the same as when any coach being fired could potentially lose the players that coach recruited.
At the same time, that should not stop any coach from being fired if deserved.
New coach can recruit or rerecruit any player he wants.

 

[atlanticuse]

if one of our heralded recruits decommits, does Red get cut?