The perfect outcome

[Orangezoo]

So zero on the odds this happens and that probably starts by Duke being up 25 at half but anyway….

1 - We go on a run and make the tourney somehow. Don’t care how or the specifics.

2 - We win some NCAAT games too- NCST like run would be amazing but a sweet 16 run still good

3 - Season ends and Red exits on a mutual understanding and is offered a job at the school if he wants it but either way we move on

4- Bring in the next coach with momentum but the needed upgrade in energy and a real shot to get back to where we want

5- Retain the guys we want and have a much less dramatic transition vs a hard cut off/firing of an alum/ former player


0.00000% pct chance but utopia almost always is

 

[Dcuse]

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. Coach Mac comes to mind.

 

[Nicknack]

I like your perfect outcome and I'd sign up for it. The problem though is I don't see a way that #3 happens if #1 and #2 happens and to be honest, if Red can get this team into the tourney AND win a game or two, he would deserve to stay on board (in my opinion).

 

[Orangezoo]

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. Coach Mac comes to mind.

You had to look at the details not the easy to criticize stuff. Yes coaches have improved in other examples that is accurate but it’s a lot more than that. This isn’t just something that emerged this year. It started last year even year 1 and we have zero commitments for 2026 because of that reality as well.

We just need a better steward of this program whether it was Autry, GMac or anyone who was at the helm getting these results.

 

[richard levy]

"Coach Mac comes to mind."In those ancient pre-portal, pre-NIL days of college football in the 80's, which are unrecognizable in 2026, a college football team was built by recruiting and developing players so that in 3-4 years the nucleus of your team was ready. A better example of the prehistoric past using college basketball not football would be Dean Smith being hung in effigy after his first or second year, or Coach K's mediocre first two seasons. However, in the modern day world of college basketball, a roster can be flipped and developed in one offseason, a school can go from the basement to the tournament in a one season. Three years of Coach Red..it ain't happening

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. "Coach Mac comes to mind."

 

[dasher]

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. Coach Mac comes to mind.

If we went on that type of run, Red would be the coach here next year. Which would be at the very least, interesting. What would the donors who said they are out if Red is back do?

 

[RedtheGOB]

The harsh truth is that it’s one thing to not win against the top tier but any credibility went out the window when Hofstra and BC happened.

I’m not sure how to erase those losses from people’s memories this year. Especially with the team we have.

Even if Autry turned a corner and we had the best talent in the world I would be holding my breathe next year waiting for some random midmajor or ACC bottomfeeder to ruin our season again.

 

[Orangezoo]

If we went on that type of run, Red would be the coach here next year. Which would be at the very least, interesting. What would the donors who said they are out if Red is back do?

Yeah which is why I positioned it as such given it’s pretty much an impossible reality. This business doesn’t provide for anything but pain in these scenarios for a coach like Red.

 

[Nicknack]

You had to look at the details not the easy to criticize stuff. Yes coaches have improved in other examples that is accurate but it’s a lot more than that. This isn’t just something that emerged this year. It started last year even year 1 and we have zero commitments for 2026 because of that reality as well.

We just need a better steward of this program whether it was Autry, GMac or anyone who was at the helm getting these results.

I'm in the camp to bring Red back if the unimaginable happened and we made it into the tourney AND won a game or two. I just don't know how you deny that after a near miracle stretch. HOWEVER, I do hear what you're saying. It reminds me of Boeheim's last few years. As diehard fans, we all knew our program was slipping but those couple of runs in the tourney provided Jim with the green light to continue which we're paying for now.

 

[FloridaCuse]

So zero on the odds this happens and that probably starts by Duke being up 25 at half but anyway….

1 - We go on a run and make the tourney somehow. Don’t care how or the specifics.

2 - We win some NCAAT games too- NCST like run would be amazing but a sweet 16 run still good

3 - Season ends and Red exits on a mutual understanding and is offered a job at the school if he wants it but either way we move on

4- Bring in the next coach with momentum but the needed upgrade in energy and a real shot to get back to where we want

5- Retain the guys we want and have a much less dramatic transition vs a hard cut off/firing of an alum/ former player


0.00000% pct chance but utopia almost always is

Nice thought but as previously said if #1 & #2 happen, #3 doesn't happen. Then next year we go through the same thing?

 

[NineOneSeven]

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. Coach Mac comes to mind.

I’d like a coach that can get us to be a top 6 seed. Ya know, something we haven’t been in 12 seasons.

Going on a run would be amazing. And hilarious. Because it pushes back again the inevitable imo. But above all.. it is unlikely.

The odds of making the tournament are what, like 10% right now? Less?

It’s not over until it’s 0% though, which is when we lose in the ACCT.

 

[Orangezoo]

Nice thought but as previously said if #1 & #2 happen, #3 doesn't happen. Then next year we go through the same thing?

Read the bottom comment- it was meant to be fantasy and utopia is all given that point.

 

[007]

If we went on that type of run, Red would be the coach here next year. Which would be at the very least, interesting. What would the donors who said they are out if Red is back do?

I suspect there are enough data points and red flags to make reasonable assumptions on Red's ceiling even in the highly unlikely event of a miracle run. Kind of like Keats and NC State

 

[FloridaCuse]

Read the bottom comment- it was meant to be fantasy and utopia is all given that point.

Yes, I got that. But as others have noted, I think the unlikelihood of #3 happening raises other issues of what do we really want -- short term gain but (some of us think) more long term pain which just postpones the inevitable. I would have loved Autry to have succeeded but I'm one who saw in the first game last year (LeMoyne) that he just doesn't have the talent as a head coach at this level. Let the debate continue.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yes, I got that. But as others have noted, I think the unlikelihood of #3 happening raises other issues of what do we really want -- short term gain but (some of us think) more long term pain which just postpones the inevitable. I would have loved Autry to have succeeded but I'm one who saw in the first game last year (LeMoyne) that he just doesn't have the talent as a head coach at this level. Let the debate continue.

Right and that bleeds into the other threads of which direction we go. As in take the risk on someone like Schertz to be the very best option to only get a few years and he bails to the SEC vs possibly a similar if not nearly the same outcome with someone like Hodgson who isn’t running for SEC money right away. Especially given I think since Oats is likely going nowhere for a while Hodgson could build his own thing in the north. That would honestly make a fun personality and intensity clash if we renewed the rivalry and played UConn every year.

 

[Blanko97]

I read this and feel so sorry for Autry. It's like nobody wants to see his face here next year. I do understand the disappointment but if this team turns things around and goes on a crazy run, people here still wouldn't want him around. There have been many examples of coaches starting out badly and improving over time to become very successful. Coach Mac comes to mind.

There are also examples of miracle runs that don’t change fortunes and only dig deeper holes. Keats, Ollie, Ewing, haith, Weber, tang