The QB is the most important position in all of team sports.

[Millhouse]

I am pretty sure he was the MVP in three bowl games.

He health really impacted his senior year - a very disappointing year for the Orange. .

He ran and understood the freeze option very well, and placed a lot of pressure on opposing defenses.

I have little doubt that he could play in Baber's offense.

i think he'd be amazing in this offense. hell, i think kevin mason and keith downing would be amazing in it

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, and BYU had Robbie Bosco, Steve Young, Jim McMahon and the Detmer brothers.

Meyer had Alexis Smith, Chris Leak and Tim Tebow, and Petrino had the Brohms and Jackson.

Chip Kelly figured that his system was the answer in Philadelphia. So, he got rid of LeSean McCoy, Desean Jackson and Nick Foles - his three best offensive players.

And he won four games, and was out of football for a year.

I have seen that kind of thing too many times, so I don't get too hung up on systems - though I can appreciate how a certain system can help a player or group of players flourish.

Ultimately it's the player that makes the system not the other way around - in my opinion.

Accumulating talent, either by just getting really good players, or by identifying sleeper talent is the most important thing a coach can do. As Coach Mac said, by the time he got to SU he realized that it's 85% talent and 15% coaching.

Right now, it seems that we do not have enough talent, or the talent we have can be developed, but right now is young and needs some time to mature.

That cycle is always an issue for programs that cannot select talent. They gather and develop sleeper talent and by the time that talent matures, the program has a brief period of success.

Last year might be a reflection of that phenomenon. I think we saw same thing in 2012 under Marrone.

And I definitely saw that way back in 1975 and in 1977 under Frank Maloney.

We need to get beyond that cycle. And it starts with really good and really consistent recruiting.

see i don't think bosco, detmers, brohms, were that good

the fact that edwards had the same success with bosco and detmer as he did with steve young who imo is the best ever says something to me

i think we have a good system. i think this year is weird because the OL is unusually bad and we have a QB who needs an average one

 

[Millhouse]

We rank 127th in terms of sacks allowed this year and we are on pace to give up 52 sacks (and that includes games against our weakest competition so the actual total is likely to be higher as we have averaged almost 7 sacks a game against our P5 compeititon. That would annualize out to almost 84 for the season. Last year, as a comparison, we gave up 37 sacks.

I don't know where you are pulling these stats from but I would love to know how they are compiled...any statistic showing that our Oline is better this year than last year, I would question its accuracy...

yeah, i'm skeptical of that too

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Pitt typically likes to leave his corners on an island - if Narduzzi goes that route this year, it could be our way out of not handling sacks well. See single coverage - chuck it deep

We are missing that WR that can go up and get the ball this year. Jackson is a good WR but he hasn’t shown that ability in the few chances he has had thus far.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Did you not see the pressure rate post that said we were 49th in the nation? Getting sacked 1.5x per 10 drop backs is bad. But that still leaves 8 drop backs where we are doing nothing.

One OL metric has us ranked 84th out of 130. That isn’t good but it also shouldn’t totally hinder the O. Our passing down sack rate is 103rd, but last year we were 123rd and still found a way to average over 12 ppg vs P5 teams.

Everything is broken. SU has rarely had a strong OL. IMO the 2003 was our best when you look at overall talent and depth. That starting line had a 2nd rounder and a 7th rounder to its credit. If we need to strong OL to have offensive success, then we are in trouble.

LOLOLOL...Funny how you choose the one metric where we ranked worse last year compared to this year to make your point.

123rd in sacks and that is the ONLY metric you mention.

Meanwhile, we were significantly better in every other metric last year compared to this year.
Yet, you don't bother to bring those up, do you? Can't make your point with those, can you?

Pretty black and white, no doubt.

2018 is first row.
2019 is second row.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

LOLOLOL...Funny how you choose the one metric where we ranked worse last year compared to this year to make your point.

123rd in sacks and that is the ONLY metric you mention.

Meanwhile, we were significantly better in every other metric last year compared to this year.
Yet, you don't bother to bring those up, do you? Can't make your point with those, can you?

Pretty black and white, no doubt.

2018 is first row.
2019 is second row.

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I am not claiming this year’s OL is better than last year. The point is last year the OL was not much better. We lost talent, experience, and went from a running QB to a passing QB which means we are seeing teams play us differently. On top of that one of our starters has been hurt all year. Going from 110th in sacks per game to 127th is not the sole reason why we are averaging 12 ppg in P5 games vs 35.5 last year.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I am not claiming this year’s OL is better than last year. The point is last year the OL was not much better. We lost talent, experience, and went from a running QB to a passing QB which means we are seeing teams play us differently. On top of that one of our starters has been hurt all year. Going from 110th in sacks per game to 127th is not the sole reason why we are averaging 12 ppg in P5 games vs 35.5 last year.

Acutally, the stats say that last year's line was much better than this year's line, especially in the run game...and, for whatever reason that I cannot fathom, much better in pass protection on 3rd down...maybe due to the better running game giving us more 3rd and shorts rather than 3rd and longs..

Marginally better in sack and marginally worse in pass down sack rate...

 

[OrangeDW]

I am pretty sure he was the MVP in three bowl games.

He health really impacted his senior year - a very disappointing year for the Orange. .

He ran and understood the freeze option very well, and placed a lot of pressure on opposing defenses.

I have little doubt that he could play in Baber's offense.

I recall Graves being excellent at pitching the ball at the exact right time - something that he wouldn’t get any statistical credit for, but which sprung a lot of big running plays.

 

[orange79]

I recall Graves being excellent at pitching the ball at the exact right time - something that he wouldn’t get any statistical credit for, but which sprung a lot of big running plays.

Especially when the WFVU sideline was involved.

 

[anomander]

I'm going off complete memory, but i believe we started off the NCST game with very good blocking. I think we did more max protection, but we had 3 straight 3 and outs to start. Then we seemed to get away from max protection and run more 3, and 4 wide sets and the protection fell off, but the yardage gains increased. Not sure what that tells you, but it kind of puts to rest that it's all on the OL since when we had good protection we did next to nothing offensively.