The QB is the most important position in all of team sports.

[OrangePA]

Gibson can make a case for being the most dominate player for his 1968 season.

"Gibson was at the forefront of pitching dominance. His earned run average was 1.12, a live-ball era record, as well as the major league record in 300 or more innings pitched. It was the lowest major league ERA. Gibson threw 13 shutouts, three fewer than fellow Nebraskan Grover Alexander's 1916 major league record of 16 (dead ball era). He won all twelve starts in June and July, pitching a complete game every time, (eight of which were shutouts), and allowed only six earned runs in 108 innings pitched (a 0.50 ERA). Gibson pitched 47 consecutive scoreless innings during this stretch."

The 1968 Cardinals only had one .300 hitter, while the team-leading home run and RBI totals were just 16 and 79, respectively. He took them to the World Series where he set the all-time one game Series strike out record, 17 K's.

Koufax was more consistent over a longer period but Gibson in 68 was nuts; one of the greatest all-time runs in sports history. both his slider and fastball were impossible to hit. Can't imagine facing a late breaking Gibson slider without being scared of life and limb.

What an odd year 1968 was for baseball - I am pretty sure that Yaz one the batting title with a .301 average.

 

[DCCuse]

I agree that if you cherry pick players you can find a bball center such as Wilt or a pitcher or goalie. But as a position of importance QB tops all other positions. Pitchers cant be considered as they dont play each game nor do they usually play a full contest. I think the closest has to be a hockey or soccer goalie.

You can cherry pick data and individuals to fit your narrative. I'll just leave this here. Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl Champion QB; zero titles for Dan Marino.

 

[AlaskaSU]

and the Patriots won when Brady was in the penalty box.

 

[OttoMets]

What an odd year 1968 was for baseball - I am pretty sure that Yaz one the batting title with a .301 average.

Last year of the high mound, I think.

Here's how pitching-dominant 1968 was: Bob Gibson's ERA was 1.12, he pitched 28 complete games, and he 'only' won 22.

 

[OrangePA]

Last year of the high mound, I think.

Here's how pitching-dominant 1968 was: Bob Gibson's ERA was 1.12, he pitched 28 complete games, and he 'only' won 22.

True - last year of the high mound.

Gibson was dominant but so were a number of pitchers that year - Luis Tiant had a very low ERA that year for the Indians and Denny McClain won 31 games for the Tigers.

Truly the year of the pitcher.

 

[OrangePA]

I love Dungey, but he’s not in the Marvin Graves territory for me yet. Probably Donnie Mc for many as well but he was a little before my time. Graves was a sophomore when I started this sometimes unhealthy addiction He’s often forgotten, but he was great.

I remember the first time I saw Marvin play was at the Kick Off Classic in the Meadowlands against USC.

When he threw his first pass - incomplete - all of us went "wow what an arm!"

He was great against AZ in the Aloha Bowl and against Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl.

Those were fun times.

 

[kcsu]

Thought id give this a bump. Regardless of OLine DL or any other position. QB is the most important position in team sports. A good QB can elevate a team like no other position.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Another aspect of this - Eric was a loud, brash personality. Tommy seems much more reserved. There is room in the sport for both types to be leaders and make their mark. I imagine the transition from one personality to the other takes some time getting used to.

 

[kcsu]

Another aspect of this - Eric was a loud, brash personality. Tommy seems much more reserved. There is room in the sport for both types to be leaders and make their mark. I imagine the transition from one personality to the other takes some time getting used to.

They are very different players. They seemed to have a great relationship which is nice. Hopefully with time Tommy will grow into a great QB.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Another aspect of this - Eric was a loud, brash personality. Tommy seems much more reserved. There is room in the sport for both types to be leaders and make their mark. I imagine the transition from one personality to the other takes some time getting used to.

eric was a great combo of guts and athleticism, he certainly wasn't a complete QB but a ridiculous competitor with a huge heart and just had a ton of balls. None of this stuff can be taught and probably the reason he ended all seasons but 1 with an injury. I have no comment on DeVito and how he will progress but he certainly will never be confused with Dungey when it comes to this stuff as most wouldn't. With the O Line play this year the odds that Dungey would be healthy right now are really slim. Dungey was reckless most times but that's just who he was.

 

[anomander]

Another aspect of this - Eric was a loud, brash personality. Tommy seems much more reserved. There is room in the sport for both types to be leaders and make their mark. I imagine the transition from one personality to the other takes some time getting used to.

Loud and brash? What are you talking about ? He was a fierce competitor , but I wouldn’t label him the 2 other things.

 

[OrangePA]

eric was a great combo of guts and athleticism, he certainly wasn't a complete QB but a ridiculous competitor with a huge heart and just had a ton of balls. None of this stuff can be taught and probably the reason he ended all seasons but 1 with an injury. I have no comment on DeVito and how he will progress but he certainly will never be confused with Dungey when it comes to this stuff as most wouldn't. With the O Line play this year the odds that Dungey would be healthy right now are really slim. Dungey was reckless most times but that's just who he was.

Well said.

 

[kcsu]

eric was a great combo of guts and athleticism, he certainly wasn't a complete QB but a ridiculous competitor with a huge heart and just had a ton of balls. None of this stuff can be taught and probably the reason he ended all seasons but 1 with an injury. I have no comment on DeVito and how he will progress but he certainly will never be confused with Dungey when it comes to this stuff as most wouldn't. With the O Line play this year the odds that Dungey would be healthy right now are really slim. Dungey was reckless most times but that's just who he was.

Looking back on this post i would say two things. One Eric might be hurt because he would be running over a dozen times a game. Two Tommy has shown real courage. The kid has been sacked more than any other 5 QB. Teams are teeing off on him and he is Hangin tough. If healthy Eric would have beat NCS and kept Clemson close. Bottom line is we would most likely have one more win. Its a shame our Oline is so inept. At this point Lynch and Dino need to abandon the heavy power package and go full spread if they want to have a chance at winning any games and more importantly keep Tommy from further injuries.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Please stop blaming the Oline for all our problems. That were plenty of times during the game Thursday night that receivers were wide open and our QB never threw to them. I still can see Moe frantically waving his arms at Tommy and he didn't even see him. There are plenty of issues with the Offense and they all don't reside on the Line.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Please stop blaming the Oline for all our problems. That were plenty of times during the game Thursday night that receivers were wide open and our QB never threw to them. I still can see Moe frantically waving his arms at Tommy and he didn't even see him. There are plenty of issues with the Offense and they all don't reside on the Line.

3 P5 games...20 sacks...11 false start penalties...no running game...no time to throw...QB constantly running for his life...no, it pretty much starts and ends with the Oline...How nice would it be if TD actually had time to make it all the way through his progressions to actually see Moe..rather than having to pull it down and run for his life????

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..No way the kid can showcase his skills with the MAC-level protection that he has blocking for him...

It is a shame too because the kid throws a beautiful ball...no matter the throw, he puts the ball right where it needs to be...give him the same type of time that Tua and Hurts and Burrows have and this kid will carve up a defense...give him both the line AND the receivers that those guys have and it is game over...yet they are Heisman candidates and our guy is getting murdered each and every week...

You want to get on Babers, get on Babers about why his Oline is so bad...that should be question #1 every week, "Coach, when are you going to recruit some linemen that can actually block a P5 defensive lineman or pick up a P5 blitz or get some push against a P5 Dline or actually make it all the way to the snap so we don't start every drive 1st and 15?????"

 

[kcsu]

3 P5 games...20 sacks...11 false start penalties...no running game...no time to throw...QB constantly running for his life...no, it pretty much starts and ends with the Oline...How nice would it be if TD actually had time to make it all the way through his progressions to actually see Moe..rather than having to pull it down and run for his life????

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..No way the kid can showcase his skills with the MAC-level protection that he has blocking for him...

It is a shame too because the kid throws a beautiful ball...no matter the throw, he puts the ball right where it needs to be...give him the same type of time that Tua and Hurts and Burrows have and this kid will carve up a defense...give him both the line AND the receivers that those guys have and it is game over...yet they are Heisman candidates and our guy is getting murdered each and every week...

You want to get on Babers, get on Babers about why his Oline is so bad...that should be question #1 every week, "Coach, when are you going to recruit some linemen that can actually block a P5 defensive lineman or pick up a P5 blitz or get some push against a P5 Dline or actually make it all the way to the snap so we don't start every drive 1st and 15?????"

GREAT POST, SPOT ON! I re watched every game. Yes Tommy has made a few mistakes but this is the worst Oline we have had in years. I personally think it is coaching. Playing musical chairs all Spring and most of the fall. Going Meathead by attempting to continuously play a power run game when its never going to work especially against Clemson and NCS. Watch the games the Oline is the issue not Tommy. Specifically Serva is getting destroyed which is blowing up the pocket.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

3 P5 games...20 sacks...11 false start penalties...no running game...no time to throw...QB constantly running for his life...no, it pretty much starts and ends with the Oline...How nice would it be if TD actually had time to make it all the way through his progressions to actually see Moe..rather than having to pull it down and run for his life????

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..No way the kid can showcase his skills with the MAC-level protection that he has blocking for him...

It is a shame too because the kid throws a beautiful ball...no matter the throw, he puts the ball right where it needs to be...give him the same type of time that Tua and Hurts and Burrows have and this kid will carve up a defense...give him both the line AND the receivers that those guys have and it is game over...yet they are Heisman candidates and our guy is getting murdered each and every week...

You want to get on Babers, get on Babers about why his Oline is so bad...that should be question #1 every week, "Coach, when are you going to recruit some linemen that can actually block a P5 defensive lineman or pick up a P5 blitz or get some push against a P5 Dline or actually make it all the way to the snap so we don't start every drive 1st and 15?????"

Couldn’t be more wrong

 

[Cuse12]

GREAT POST, SPOT ON! I re watched every game. Yes Tommy has made a few mistakes but this is the worst Oline we have had in years. I personally think it is coaching. Playing musical chairs all Spring and most of the fall. Going Meathead by attempting to continuously play a power run game when its never going to work especially against Clemson and NCS. Watch the games the Oline is the issue not Tommy. Specifically Serva is getting destroyed which is blowing up the pocket.

It’s 100% our line. tommy of course makes mistakes no one is questioning that. He needs help. He has no run game to take pressure off his throwing game and no line to stop the other team in general. Kid needs to keep his chin up and keep chugging. I truly think he will be fine. Unfortunately, this year I don’t see things looking “fine”. I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[GreekFreak]

Quite frankly Tommy ran himself into several sacks against NC State. He clearly was hurt, afraid to take a hit and made some bad decisions because of that. Blaming the OL for all the sacks is just plain wrong. I'm not saying that the OL has performed well, what I'm saying is there are issues besides them.

 

[orange79]

3 P5 games...20 sacks...11 false start penalties...no running game...no time to throw...QB constantly running for his life...no, it pretty much starts and ends with the Oline...How nice would it be if TD actually had time to make it all the way through his progressions to actually see Moe..rather than having to pull it down and run for his life????

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..No way the kid can showcase his skills with the MAC-level protection that he has blocking for him...

It is a shame too because the kid throws a beautiful ball...no matter the throw, he puts the ball right where it needs to be...give him the same type of time that Tua and Hurts and Burrows have and this kid will carve up a defense...give him both the line AND the receivers that those guys have and it is game over...yet they are Heisman candidates and our guy is getting murdered each and every week...

You want to get on Babers, get on Babers about why his Oline is so bad...that should be question #1 every week, "Coach, when are you going to recruit some linemen that can actually block a P5 defensive lineman or pick up a P5 blitz or get some push against a P5 Dline or actually make it all the way to the snap so we don't start every drive 1st and 15?????"

A parent giving ultimatums to the head coach always ends well. Always.

 

[upperdeck]

you could point at almost every team in the country and say the same thing.. oline play is awful in a lot of places and many people thinks it starts with the style of offenses being run now.. in HS you run this style and usually there are a handful of good athletes on the field and in most HS its the qb.. he can hide bad blocking.. You get to college and there are good athletes all over and the oline has issues and suddenly no one can do anything.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

A parent giving ultimatums to the head coach always ends well. Always.

He doesn't have to give ultimatums...he just has to decide that it isn't worth it to stick around and hope that the coaching staff can put 5 serviceable linemen out there before TD either gets killed or uses up his eligibility getting chased like the rabbit at a greyhound race...

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Couldn’t be more wrong

Great point. Why didn't I think of that?

 

[orlandoorange]

He doesn't have to give ultimatums...he just has to decide that it isn't worth it to stick around and hope that the coaching staff can put 5 serviceable linemen out there before TD either gets killed or uses up his eligibility getting chased like the rabbit at a greyhound race...

I agree with this. He doesn't have to give ultimatums, however he should always try to do what is in the best interest of his son.

If Tommy were my son and I had invested thousands of $'s in his athletic career, I would question whether the people I entrusted his future to are putting my son in a position to succeed.

I'm sure there are a lot of factors that I have no clue about, but it's gotta be frustrating.

 

[CsonkaStash]

Please stop blaming the Oline for all our problems. That were plenty of times during the game Thursday night that receivers were wide open and our QB never threw to them. I still can see Moe frantically waving his arms at Tommy and he didn't even see him. There are plenty of issues with the Offense and they all don't reside on the Line.

Thank you ! I completely agree with this.