The QB is the most important position in all of team sports.

[CsonkaStash]

What a joke. Tommy's decision making and his toughness at this point can absolutely be questioned. He is skiddish, doesn't throw it quickly when there are quick slants or hits available, doesn't slide protection or audible at all, throws the ball away when he shouldn't too people he shouldn't and doesn't throw it away when he should. He does not command the offense.

There is much more to QB then "throwing a pretty ball". Playing in highschool and college, I had similar QBs especially in High School. We had a pretty good receiver on our Liverpool team that ended up playing at Cuse but the QB would not get him the ball, was indecisive and often was sacked due to poor decision making. Devito is having the issue now where his decision making is compounding an already poor Offensive Line but you can not lay this all at the feet of the OL. Devito needs to shoulder half the blame here too.

 

[AZOrange]

3 P5 games...20 sacks...11 false start penalties...no running game...no time to throw...QB constantly running for his life...no, it pretty much starts and ends with the Oline...How nice would it be if TD actually had time to make it all the way through his progressions to actually see Moe..rather than having to pull it down and run for his life????

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..No way the kid can showcase his skills with the MAC-level protection that he has blocking for him...

It is a shame too because the kid throws a beautiful ball...no matter the throw, he puts the ball right where it needs to be...give him the same type of time that Tua and Hurts and Burrows have and this kid will carve up a defense...give him both the line AND the receivers that those guys have and it is game over...yet they are Heisman candidates and our guy is getting murdered each and every week...

You want to get on Babers, get on Babers about why his Oline is so bad...that should be question #1 every week, "Coach, when are you going to recruit some linemen that can actually block a P5 defensive lineman or pick up a P5 blitz or get some push against a P5 Dline or actually make it all the way to the snap so we don't start every drive 1st and 15?????"

P5?!? Not limited to P5...they struggled in all games.

 

[OrangeDW]

I agree with this. He doesn't have to give ultimatums, however he should always try to do what is in the best interest of his son.

If Tommy were my son and I had invested thousands of $'s in his athletic career, I would question whether the people I entrusted his future to are putting my son in a position to succeed.

I'm sure there are a lot of factors that I have no clue about, but it's gotta be frustrating.

Always somebody else’s fault, eh?

 

[MikeSU02]

We haven't had an OL drafted since Pugh, I believe.

Our OLs haven't been all-world. I'd wager that Eric covered up quite a number of deficiencies.

There are trade offs between Eric (who isn't walking through that door) and TD. I think TD will be fine, do great things, set records and we'll all be happy, but it's going to take a little more time. Our OL is never going to be all-world. We need to stop pretending like it will be. Some years it will be solid, some will not and once in a while we'll have a killer unit, but it will be few and far between.

TD has to make quicker decisions once the ball is snapped, but that means our whole offense has to be on the same page before the snap takes place (calls, reads, cadence, etc). But Tommy is going to have to make some magic happen. Maybe its not fair to him, but we do.

 

[orlandoorange]

Always somebody else’s fault, eh?

Nope. It's a team game and teams need the right pieces in place to succeed. From head coach all the way down, it always starts at the top. We either have the right people and processes or we don't. So far this year it looks like the latter. And this year could be a blip or the start of a trend. I do not know.

 

[kcsu]

Nope. It's a team game and teams need the right pieces in place to succeed. From head coach all the way down, it always starts at the top. We either have the right people and processes or we don't. So far this year it looks like the latter. And this year could be a blip or the start of a trend. I do not know.

We need to go with 5 wr spread. Dump the heavy package. Its not working and wont work.

 

[OrangeDW]

Nope. It's a team game and teams need the right pieces in place to succeed. From head coach all the way down, it always starts at the top. We either have the right people and processes or we don't. So far this year it looks like the latter. And this year could be a blip or the start of a trend. I do not know.

Fair enough.

The combo of posts before that were just...I don’t know.

Where’s the posts that Abdul Adams’ dad should pull him because this line just isn’t cutting it for his amazingly special child?

 

[bothsocksup]

Pugh, Hay, Tiller, Mackey that was a damn good line

 

[Forza Azzurri]

P5?!? Not limited to P5...they struggled in all games.

Agreed, but I only pulled stats for P5 games...

 

[Forza Azzurri]

What a joke. Tommy's decision making and his toughness at this point can absolutely be questioned. He is skiddish, doesn't throw it quickly when there are quick slants or hits available, doesn't slide protection or audible at all, throws the ball away when he shouldn't too people he shouldn't and doesn't throw it away when he should. He does not command the offense.

There is much more to QB then "throwing a pretty ball". Playing in highschool and college, I had similar QBs especially in High School. We had a pretty good receiver on our Liverpool team that ended up playing at Cuse but the QB would not get him the ball, was indecisive and often was sacked due to poor decision making. Devito is having the issue now where his decision making is compounding an already poor Offensive Line but you can not lay this all at the feet of the OL. Devito needs to shoulder half the blame here too.

FSU: 11-16-144 - 1TD 0 Int - 2 sacks; no Oline penalties - 55 - 235 rushing (4.27 avg)
NC: 11-19-181 - 3 TDs 1 Int - 0 sacks; 1 oline penalty (Holding) - 33-140 rusing (4.2 avg)
ND: 14-31-105 - 0 TDs 2 Int - 6 sacks; 0 oline penalties - 32-155 rushing (4.8 avg)

3 P5 games 2018

36-66-430 - 4 TDs - 3 Int - 8 sacks - 1 oline penalty - 120-530 rushing (4.4 avg)

3 P5 games in 2019

76-105-802 - 4 TDs - 2 Int - 20 sacks - 15 oline penalties - 86-227 (2.6 avg.)

2018 run pass ratio: 1.82 to 1
2019 run pass ratio: 0.82 to 1

Pretty clear as day...oline significantly worse than last year across the board...

 

[NineOneSeven]

We haven't had an OL drafted since Pugh, I believe.

Our OLs haven't been all-world. I'd wager that Eric covered up quite a number of deficiencies.

There are trade offs between Eric (who isn't walking through that door) and TD. I think TD will be fine, do great things, set records and we'll all be happy, but it's going to take a little more time. Our OL is never going to be all-world. We need to stop pretending like it will be. Some years it will be solid, some will not and once in a while we'll have a killer unit, but it will be few and far between.

TD has to make quicker decisions once the ball is snapped, but that means our whole offense has to be on the same page before the snap takes place (calls, reads, cadence, etc). But Tommy is going to have to make some magic happen. Maybe its not fair to him, but we do.

These things build off of each other. A poor o-line leads to sacks/pressure which causes the QB to constantly shift some attention to the point that he's always wondering where and when pressure might get to him. And because of that, even when there is protection, the QB is not prepared to respond to the available time because of point 1.

Things need to be quicker. It makes even more sense because of the pace we supposedly play at. All this talk about so many plays and tempo offense. This is the exact type of offense you need against pressure AND it's supposed to be our bread and butter. It's not happening.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

FSU: 11-16-144 - 1TD 0 Int - 2 sacks; no Oline penalties - 55 - 235 rushing (4.27 avg)
NC: 11-19-181 - 3 TDs 1 Int - 0 sacks; 1 oline penalty (Holding) - 33-140 rusing (4.2 avg)
ND: 14-31-105 - 0 TDs 2 Int - 6 sacks; 0 oline penalties - 32-155 rushing (4.8 avg)

3 P5 games 2018

36-66-430 - 4 TDs - 3 Int - 8 sacks - 1 oline penalty - 120-530 rushing (4.4 avg)

3 P5 games in 2019

76-105-802 - 4 TDs - 2 Int - 20 sacks - 15 oline penalties - 86-227 (2.6 avg.)

2018 run pass ratio: 1.82 to 1
2019 run pass ratio: 0.82 to 1

Pretty clear as day...oline significantly worse than last year across the board...

The OL penalties aren’t talent penalties. They are discipline penalties. Which is on coaching.

As to the sack numbers is 0.5 more sacks for every 10 passing plays really going to change our entire O? You do realize that since Babers jumped up to FBS his teams have given up a lot of sacks? Yet this is his first year with an dysfunctional O?

Is the OL to blame for the 1.5 yards less per completion or needing twice as many completions to yield the same amount of TDs?

Everything is broken about our O this year. There is plenty of blame on the OC, OL coach, OL talent, RB talent, WR talent, and yes the QBs decision making. We are failing across the board. Fixing the OL will take us from being one of the worst offenses in the country to a top 90 O. That still stinks.

 

[SU2NASA]

Offensive line?

Quarterback?

Why can’t we agree that they both suck?

 

[TheCusian]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So we are 49th in being under pressure?

 

[Cuse#1]

In years! If we could be full strength on the offensive line and get that one guy back I forgot his name don’t ask me how the center, it seems like he’s been out for so long now and Aaron servais can move back to where he belongs I think this offensive line can be serviceable! But until then it’s just gonna be more of the same.
Considering how bad our offensive line is I think Tommy DeVito Has played very well considering that he’s getting knocked on his butt every single snap!!!
Plus that reminds me a lot of the injuries we’ve had this year. Andre Cisco his injury was supposedly not that bad haven’t seen him in three weeks or so. We really need him back because I think one of the worst tacklers that I’ve ever seen playing in his place has got to go I am. I am so sick of seeing that guy every time something bad happens it seems like he’s in the middle of it, and I know people know who I’m talking about! the little midget, 6th year guy. LOL for some reason right now I can’t remember a lot of guys names. And another one we were supposed to get back weeks ago against Clemson maybe was McKinley Williams. What the hell is going on with that situation? is he ever coming back. So those are three main guys that I thought should be back by now and we need Them back if we’re going to do anything good this season or even make a bowl! If anybody has any info on that could you please share with me thank you

 

[SUGIANT]

I agree but seems no one else sees it that way per my previous post. Starts and ends with the offensive line...

 

[orangeinohio]

Pugh, Hay, Tiller, Mackey that was a damn good line

Not sure about including Hay in this list.

I remember a game that Dougie was close to clocking him in the head for all the penalties he was causing.

 

[OttoMets]

A parent giving ultimatums to the head coach always ends well. Always.

Haha, I know, what a petulant rant.

 

[Millhouse]

eric was a great combo of guts and athleticism, he certainly wasn't a complete QB but a ridiculous competitor with a huge heart and just had a ton of balls. None of this stuff can be taught and probably the reason he ended all seasons but 1 with an injury. I have no comment on DeVito and how he will progress but he certainly will never be confused with Dungey when it comes to this stuff as most wouldn't. With the O Line play this year the odds that Dungey would be healthy right now are really slim. Dungey was reckless most times but that's just who he was.

even though they're totally different, in a way they're alike in that they're both not normal quarterbacks to evaluate. it reminds me of flutie and rob johnson all over again

dungey had flaws with his arm but was such a dynamic runner and the dynamic running left him so open to injury. would've been better off with a little better throwing, more disciplined but timely running and durability. he was forced to carry the running game because strickland and moe neal just weren't/aren't that good and our best running plays were to send everyone downfield and let him scramble

devito has that great arm and is producing but the normal stats don't judge all the throws that don't happen. people think he's limited because we need better blocking and rushing but it's not like we're asking for all the stars to align so well that any qb would succeed. we just need to be average or a little below it rushing and blocking, i'm not asking for the world here. i wish it weren't such a train wreck, we'd still have issues with him taking sacks and not throwing everywhere on the field but it would just be something to talk about and not some fatal flaw

 

[Millhouse]

I remember the first time I saw Marvin play was at the Kick Off Classic in the Meadowlands against USC.

When he threw his first pass - incomplete - all of us went "wow what an arm!"

He was great against AZ in the Aloha Bowl and against Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl.

Those were fun times.

it's wild how much times have changed. anyone today with that many interceptions would've drive fans nuts today. He threw interceptions 1 out of every 21 passes. i'm not ragging on him, it's just a different era with different offenses - on the other hand, everyone would be thrilled to have his yards per attempt. no dink and dump, jet sweep passes that aren't passes, nothing cheap

graves is a good example of the passer rating statistic not punishing interceptions enough and punishing completion percentage too much. if he threw 0 interceptions, his rating would've been 151 instead of 142. not that big a difference.

 

[Millhouse]

it's wild how much times have changed. anyone today with that many interceptions would've drive fans nuts today. He threw interceptions 1 out of every 21 passes. i'm not ragging on him, it's just a different era with different offenses - on the other hand, everyone would be thrilled to have his yards per attempt. no dink and dump, jet sweep passes that aren't passes, nothing cheap

graves is a good example of the passer rating statistic not punishing interceptions enough and punishing completion percentage too much. if he threw 0 interceptions, his rating would've been 151 instead of 142. not that big a difference.

17th all time in yards per attempt. Damn good company to be in

Bryce petty #4, Matt Johnson #29, RGIII #39, Florence #77. Not ready to give up on this offense, I think this year is an anomaly and I know that's dismissive and easy to say

Passing Yards Per Attempt Career Leaders and Records | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Passing Yards Per Attempt Career Leaders and Records

www.sports-reference.com

 

[Chip]

If I'm Care Taker and I think my kid can play on Sundays, I tell Babers he better find some goddamn protection this offseason or I will go elsewhere..

This is my favorite ever.

Maybe he can use that hardship to play immediately instead of having to sit out a year.

 

[CsonkaStash]

FSU: 11-16-144 - 1TD 0 Int - 2 sacks; no Oline penalties - 55 - 235 rushing (4.27 avg)
NC: 11-19-181 - 3 TDs 1 Int - 0 sacks; 1 oline penalty (Holding) - 33-140 rusing (4.2 avg)
ND: 14-31-105 - 0 TDs 2 Int - 6 sacks; 0 oline penalties - 32-155 rushing (4.8 avg)

3 P5 games 2018

36-66-430 - 4 TDs - 3 Int - 8 sacks - 1 oline penalty - 120-530 rushing (4.4 avg)

3 P5 games in 2019

76-105-802 - 4 TDs - 2 Int - 20 sacks - 15 oline penalties - 86-227 (2.6 avg.)

2018 run pass ratio: 1.82 to 1
2019 run pass ratio: 0.82 to 1

Pretty clear as day...oline significantly worse than last year across the board...

Nobody is doubting the offensive line is worse than last year but so is the QB, significantly and is afraid to get hit.

 

[CsonkaStash]

Offensive line?

Quarterback?

Why can’t we agree that they both suck?

Thank you !