The question is going to be asked at some point…

[Toga]

I'm trying to remember when a program had a legendary basketball coach at the end of the line that the program moved on from, and the AD got killed for it.

I don't think there were issues with Lute Olsen/Arizona. Denny Crum/Louisville? I don't think that one was bad. John Thompson and Georgetown? Calhoun and UCONN?

I could be remembering wrong and with an outsider perspective obviously don't really know, but... I feel like if anything moving on is pretty well understood.

IIRC the AD at Penn State went to jail.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

IIRC the AD at Penn State went to jail.

I would think that is more a case where they made some poor decisions well before that.

 

[sufandu]

Or it could make him even more stubborn (if that's possible).

JW or JB? I believe the comment you responded to was talking about JW.

 

[orangepassion]

Let’s be clear here, It doesn’t matter who the athletic Director is JB would still have the final say.

Or maybe Juli.

 

[LaggyJon]

It’s tough because there are people on the board, who have influence, that JAB can do no wrong. Force him out and the next coach has a foot in the grave before they even start. They have a few losses? Or a losing season?

“See? You want Boeheim gone and look what happened!”

This is sort of my fear. You can construct arguments that this year is an aberration, we see people make them here frequently. Sweet Sixteens, 45 years of winning records, our team would've been great if player X didn't go pro/transfer/get hurt/decommit/get a bag from Duke or Kentucky, etc. If people in power are inclined to look for an argument to keep JB around, they can find them.

I've always wondered whether JW has the political capital at Syracuse to win a fight against JB, even if he had the inclination to have the fight.

 

[CuseCrew08]

Hahaha...Boeheim will unhinge his jaw and swallow that kid whole.

Doesn't it matter how tall the kid is asking the question?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

It needs to be done sooner rather than later, and we will just have to deal with the results and consequences. The best case scenario for JB is… what? Lets suppose the max he could realistically coach would be another five years. What could happen in those five years to justify the continuing national public perception decline and loss of brand? Another bubble+ year and a surprise Sweet 16?

Anyone seeing that in the cards, with five freshman coming in, none ranked very high and all needing to learn how to play zone?

This all feels like procrastinating your colonoscopy. Hoping there’s nothing wrong.

The only way we are going to get appreciably better than what we are now is to make a grand, profound set of changes. That doesn’t mean the very next coach will be the solution. But it starts us on the path toward it. Suck it up, tighten your belts, gird your loins and deal. Change is going to happen, at some level, and it’s now to our benefit to make that change quickly. If Wildhack doesn’t already have the plan for that, then he’s the second part of the problem.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I'm trying to remember when a program had a legendary basketball coach at the end of the line that the program moved on from, and the AD got killed for it.

I don't think there were issues with Lute Olsen/Arizona. Denny Crum/Louisville? I don't think that one was bad. John Thompson and Georgetown? Calhoun and UCONN?

I could be remembering wrong and with an outsider perspective obviously don't really know, but... I feel like if anything moving on is pretty well understood.

JT2 “retired” at 58(!) and stayed on as the shadow coach and Georgetown *spit* first hired his assistant and then his son. ETA: and then his former star player.

That’s the kind of scenario we want to avoid.

 

[anomander]

About this season, the make up of the team, everyone coming back next year and if it’s time.

The questions will not be posed to JB, but the post standard will ask Wildhack post season. They are not going to subject Mike or Donna to the wrath of JB at a presser. Back when they were a real newspaper, they’d send a non sports reporter to ask the really difficult questions to protect the beat writers. Will see if they do that again.

Technically it’s JW’s call, but he is in an impossible position. The drumbeats for this not to be run back next year are going to get louder and louder.

It’s going to be a national discussion very soon. The Jay Bilas’s of the world see the personnel decisions. The veiled descriptions about what is going on have already started. It’s just the beginning.

This can end disappointingly, sad or horrifyingly ugly. JB holds those cards.

Does anyone really think this is going to end up anything but horrifyingly ugly???

 

[jdubs30]

Does anyone really think this is going to end up anything but horrifyingly ugly???

No. But the most realistic/best case sadly is Jimmy and Buddy both leave

 

[alphaorange]

Does anyone really think this is going to end up anything but horrifyingly ugly???

I'm not optimistic.

 

[UD1954]

If all three Boehiem's come back next year this will be real ugly...

 

[MSOrange]

I'm trying to remember when a program had a legendary basketball coach at the end of the line that the program moved on from, and the AD got killed for it.

I don't think there were issues with Lute Olsen/Arizona. Denny Crum/Louisville? I don't think that one was bad. John Thompson and Georgetown? Calhoun and UCONN?

I could be remembering wrong and with an outsider perspective obviously don't really know, but... I feel like if anything moving on is pretty well understood.

Crum's departure wasn't the cleanest. Olsen's wasn't great at Arizona but a lot of that appeared to be health issues affecting his behavior.

ESPN.com - NCB - Crum retiring after season

static.espn.go.com

 

[rrlbees]

Because he’s JB’s kid. That’s why he’s exactly not like 1,000 other players.

He said he’s done. We’re having a bad year. It will get messy.

This isn’t a normal situation.

And I say this as to no fault of buddy. This is on JB.

None of that is a reason to try and force a kid out with a year of eligibility remaining. We aren’t talking about JB. We’re talking about Buddy.

 

[City of Cuse]

Does anyone know the inner workings of the relationship between JB and JW?

Does JW discuss the state of the program during the season with JB?

 

[HOFCeluck]

About this season, the make up of the team, everyone coming back next year and if it’s time.

The questions will not be posed to JB, but the post standard will ask Wildhack post season. They are not going to subject Mike or Donna to the wrath of JB at a presser. Back when they were a real newspaper, they’d send a non sports reporter to ask the really difficult questions to protect the beat writers. Will see if they do that again.

Technically it’s JW’s call, but he is in an impossible position. The drumbeats for this not to be run back next year are going to get louder and louder.

It’s going to be a national discussion very soon. The Jay Bilas’s of the world see the personnel decisions. The veiled descriptions about what is going on have already started. It’s just the beginning.

This can end disappointingly, sad or horrifyingly ugly. JB holds those cards.

I’m suspecting it’s going to be choice 3.

 

[bevosu]

I'm trying to remember when a program had a legendary basketball coach at the end of the line that the program moved on from, and the AD got killed for it.

I don't think there were issues with Lute Olsen/Arizona. Denny Crum/Louisville? I don't think that one was bad. John Thompson and Georgetown? Calhoun and UCONN?

I could be remembering wrong and with an outsider perspective obviously don't really know, but... I feel like if anything moving on is pretty well understood.

If I remember correctly and my memory is far from perfect, the Bobby Knight departure at Indiana stirred up some controversy. He had some diehards that backed him no matter how wacky he behaved.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Does anyone really think this is going to end up anything but horrifyingly ugly???

Doesn’t have to.

JAB can very easily ride off into the sunset after this year, saying that ”it was always a dream to be able to coach one son, and it became an even greater dream when things aligned to be able to have both. That has been a joy, even though we had hoped for better results. But, this experience is something that any father would embrace and cherish. With that now realized, I can step away to enjoy life with my phenomenal wife and put my trust in the AD to secure the next era of Syracuse basketball.”

Simple. Nothing ugly about that. Even if we don’t win another game this year. This year was earned. Or, it was a gift from the AD and the fan base. Whatever. This is the graceful exit point. Another year or more is selfish greed.

[I’m not optimistic this is going to be how it happens. But This is the way.]

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

If the university put into place an AD that was impotent against offramping JB, that’s a huge error on their part.

Wildhack is not in an impossible position, he’s in a tough position. Two very different things. This is his job. It’s why they pay him enough that he doesn’t need to bartend on the weekends to make ends meet.

Step up, do your job and get it done.

This is a really naive take.

 

[Alsacs]

If Wildhack isn’t above JB on the food chain then we are screwed.
I get JB has big time relationships with donors. That doesn’t make him bigger than the school.

If he is bigger than Wildhack then just change the jerseys from Syracuse to Boeheim’s Army.

If Buddy wants to comeback he should.
This program needs change and change badly.

It’s maddening to think Wildhack is afraid of JB not possibly doing the right thing.

 

[Eric15]

If the university put into place an AD that was impotent against offramping JB, that’s a huge error on their part.

Wildhack is not in an impossible position, he’s in a tough position. Two very different things. This is his job. It’s why they pay him enough that he doesn’t need to bartend on the weekends to make ends meet.

Step up, do your job and get it done.

Well said, Mike.

 

[ar inj]

Jackson said, if I recall correctly, that he had too much respect for tradition and those who came before and as a result he did not want to impact the record books by playing and racking up stats for 5 years. he did not want the asterisk. The way this year has played out and next year could play out it be the dreaded **

 

[hoopsupstate]

JB has stated he won’t let anyone else coach his kids. If they come back, JB comes back. JB also made a commitment to next year’s recruits that he would be back.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I thought Juli was really JB's boss.

 

[Alsacs]

JB has stated he won’t let anyone else coach his kids. If they come back, JB comes back. JB also made a commitment to next year’s recruits that he would be back.

Running it back isn’t going to change next season.
We need upgrades and there is no way JB would reduce the minutes. None of the freshmen are higher rated than Benny.