The question is going to be asked at some point…

[Capt. Tuttle]

I mean if Benny comes back he is starting next year.
Jimmy isn’t even a lock to be back.
Buddy can come back for sure.

Why is he a lock to start

 

[Alsacs]

Why is he a lock to start

We have 3 forwards now both Seniors.
Neither is a lock to return.
If Benny comes back he would be the only returning forward. I have no confidence that any freshman can play right away now until they show it on the court.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It's to late for that, the AD has no say over when JB leaves now. He gave that option away when he let JB force HOP to leave.
The only way JB leaves now is when he decides he wants to leave. A problem with that is whoever the new coach is JB will always be there.

I mean, what, does JB have some kind of dirt on the University of something?

 

[City of Cuse]

I used to have zero problem finding a small lot for $10. Now there’s nothing. Garage for $20 or $25 or something, smh.

Just park at MLK school or similar. Lots of free parking down there.

 

[Willy75]

If Buddy wants to play at the next level SU is not the place for him next year. Maybe Gonzaga.

 

[MikeSU02]

This is a really naive take.

Well, I don’t work for the AD, so I’m not within those walls. But, I also consider myself a relatively successful professional and even if I just had a paper route, I would still come to this conclusion:

If this is true, that JB has 100% final edit on the movie of his tenure at SU, then SU, and the respective professionals that hold positions of power within, has been grossly negligent in its responsibility to the program and the university.

He has two probations, one screwed up transition plan and a number of other items that I would put in the “not great, Bob” box.

I’ve been called “kid” because I said Duke was going to smash us and now called “naive” in asserting that if the university and AD absolutely relinquished their roles that it is a clear dereliction of their duties as it pertains to this situation.

I can only hope someone up on the hill supports the program more than some on this board support Boeheim.

 

[orange79]

I’ve been called “kid” because I said Duke was going to smash us and now called “naive” in asserting that if the university and AD absolutely relinquished their roles that it is a clear dereliction of their duties as it pertains to this situation.

To be fair, these are two totally unrelated claims.

No big surprise Duke crushed us. Your second claim was an assumption ("if"). Even "if the university and AD absolutely relinquished their roles", dereliction of duty is kind of a hyperbolic statement.

 

[MikeSU02]

To be fair, these are two totally unrelated claims.

No big surprise Duke crushed us. Your second claim was an assumption ("if"). Even "if the university and AD absolutely relinquished their roles", dereliction of duty is kind of a hyperbolic statement.

No. It isn’t.

If JB was given full control of his leaving SU, that is exactly what it is.

He isn’t a god. He’s not close to a saint.

He’s a basketball coach.

 

[orange79]

No. It isn’t.

If JB was given full control of his leaving SU, that is exactly what it is.

He isn’t a god. He’s not close to a saint.

He’s a basketball coach.

Sorry. You're wrong.

Done here.

 

[FrancoPizza]

No. It isn’t.

If JB was given full control of his leaving SU, that is exactly what it is.

He isn’t a god. He’s not close to a saint.

He’s a basketball coach.

If he gets this team to the ncaa’s it will be a bonafide miracle. Then he would only need 1 more to be considered for sainthood.

 

[Willy75]

I really wish SU would deploy its legal talent to get JB his forfeited wins back on the condition that he retires after this year ( assume that that linkage could be confidential, at least nominally). Jimmy doesn’t come back, Buddy does a final year with a contender. The Boeheim era comes to a dignified end.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Doesn’t have to.

JAB can very easily ride off into the sunset after this year, saying that ”it was always a dream to be able to coach one son, and it became an even greater dream when things aligned to be able to have both. That has been a joy, even though we had hoped for better results. But, this experience is something that any father would embrace and cherish. With that now realized, I can step away to enjoy life with my phenomenal wife and put my trust in the AD to secure the next era of Syracuse basketball.”

Simple. Nothing ugly about that. Even if we don’t win another game this year. This year was earned. Or, it was a gift from the AD and the fan base. Whatever. This is the graceful exit point. Another year or more is selfish greed.

[I’m not optimistic this is going to be how it happens. But This is the way.]

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Well, I don’t work for the AD, so I’m not within those walls. But, I also consider myself a relatively successful professional and even if I just had a paper route, I would still come to this conclusion:

If this is true, that JB has 100% final edit on the movie of his tenure at SU, then SU, and the respective professionals that hold positions of power within, has been grossly negligent in its responsibility to the program and the university.

He has two probations, one screwed up transition plan and a number of other items that I would put in the “not great, Bob” box.

I’ve been called “kid” because I said Duke was going to smash us and now called “naive” in asserting that if the university and AD absolutely relinquished their roles that it is a clear dereliction of their duties as it pertains to this situation.

I can only hope someone up on the hill supports the program more than some on this board support Boeheim.

The athletic department of a high major division 1 university is a big business, that brings in about $100 mil a year, and spends almost as much. At Syracuse, Jim Boeheim is, and has been, the most important employee of that business for going on 35 to 40 years. He's an alumnus. He's lived locally for 50+ years. I'd venture to guess he is friends or at least friendly with every major athletic department booster, if not University booster. He's a major cog in the University's relationship with Nike. He probably has a relationship with every prominent, sports loving person, in central NY.

An AD doesnt just fire that person. Unless, all those people that control the purse strings, give their blessing.

At best, Wildhack should be doing what he can to encourage Boeheim that now is as a good a time as any to move on. All of his children will have their college degrees by he end of the year. The sanctions are long gone. His two closest peers in the conference have or are moving on. There's nothing left to win, and we aren't positioned to do any winning in the immediate future anyway. The time to walk away was really five years ago. But now's a pretty good time too.

 

[jgeorge322]

Id imagine pushing out JB involuntarily would require approval of the chancellor and BoT.

 

[longtimefan]

We have 3 forwards now both Seniors.
Neither is a lock to return.
If Benny comes back he would be the only returning forward. I have no confidence that any freshman can play right away now until they show it on the court.

Portal. JBIII and Swider came via the portal this season. If they leave, that's lots of minutes available for transfers.

 

[orangecuse]

No. It isn’t.

If JB was given full control of his leaving SU, that is exactly what it is.

He isn’t a god. He’s not close to a saint.

He’s a basketball coach.

 

[kcsu]

About this season, the make up of the team, everyone coming back next year and if it’s time.

The questions will not be posed to JB, but the post standard will ask Wildhack post season. They are not going to subject Mike or Donna to the wrath of JB at a presser. Back when they were a real newspaper, they’d send a non sports reporter to ask the really difficult questions to protect the beat writers. Will see if they do that again.

Technically it’s JW’s call, but he is in an impossible position. The drumbeats for this not to be run back next year are going to get louder and louder.

It’s going to be a national discussion very soon. The Jay Bilas’s of the world see the personnel decisions. The veiled descriptions about what is going on have already started. It’s just the beginning.

This can end disappointingly, sad or horrifyingly ugly. JB holds those cards.

Jim pushed Hop aside for his own self interest. Hes not going to walk away after this season because someone tells him to. I think hes going to coach 2-3 more years.

 

[kuethstheman]

I think it's probably JB's decision, and I think if the AD wants him to move on, he will help JB make the right decision.

 

[kcsu]

Time to bring back Bud.

We need the wizzbanger to bring the hammer

 

[kcsu]

This is sort of my fear. You can construct arguments that this year is an aberration, we see people make them here frequently. Sweet Sixteens, 45 years of winning records, our team would've been great if player X didn't go pro/transfer/get hurt/decommit/get a bag from Duke or Kentucky, etc. If people in power are inclined to look for an argument to keep JB around, they can find them.

I've always wondered whether JW has the political capital at Syracuse to win a fight against JB, even if he had the inclination to have the fight.

He does. The Chancellor knows what Jim pulled.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

It’s tough because there are people on the board, who have influence, that JAB can do no wrong. Force him out and the next coach has a foot in the grave before they even start. They have a few losses? Or a losing season?

“See? You want Boeheim gone and look what happened!”

Do top coaches take the job if JB has just been forced out against his will after all he's done for SU?

I mean everyone we want to target has other options to coach basketball for millions of dollars a year. That being said we are a very good job and there could be guys having their agents call our AD now.

I think we run it back next year but under the agreement JB announces its his last and stays out of the hire. If you know you can get one of the guys at the top of the shortlist then you reconsider.

 

[kcsu]

Why did JB seek an extra year for Jimmy if he wasn’t planning on coming back. Also total silence on this being Buddys last year.

I fully expect JB to be back,and i also expect us to make the tournament next year and if so Jim just might retire.

 

[Day2]

The dude physically assaulted a student and a former player. He was a liability to the University at that point - he had to be fired.

It wasn’t that simple. Myles Brand came up with a zero tolerance policy for Knight after the video of him choking Neil Reed came out. So IU didn’t think that was enough to fire Knight. He was fired for grabbing a student’s arm (still assault by the letter of the law)…and the whole thing may have been a set up by the student’s stepdad, who was a professor who didn’t care for sports, Knight, or both.

I remember thinking the zero tolerance policy was absurd. They tolerated his behavior for decades, and all of a sudden Knight was supposed to change his ways? At his age?

Maybe that was by design.

 

[Day2]

Why did JB seek an extra year for Jimmy if he wasn’t planning on coming back. Also total silence on this being Buddys last year.

I fully expect JB to be back,and i also expect us to make the tournament next year and if so Jim just might retire.

In case he changes his mind.

 

[orangefog]

Why did JB seek an extra year for Jimmy if he wasn’t planning on coming back. Also total silence on this being Buddys last year.

I fully expect JB to be back,and i also expect us to make the tournament next year and if so Jim just might retire.

How do we make the tournament with this squad?