There's only been on Coach in the last 35 years

[K Otto XLIV]

I can't respond to incoherent ramblings. You make wild assumptions and call them facts. IMO Shafer is doing a great job recruiting and is moving the program fotward. You have a different point of view.

There are opinions and facts. A lot of what I posted was FACT. Then there were some conclusions which is opinion. Everyone of those conclusions had logic to them. Whether or not ones agrees with that logic is up to debate. I have no problem with that (see my conversation with Cusian). You are the one making this personal and not refuting a thing I say. If you cannot formulate a POV without saying things like: incoherent ramblings, wild assumptions, nonsense, preposterous, if you ever, and I hope that you that means you don't have a leg to stand on.

I have no problem with a different POV. But when you make it personal it makes you look dumb. If you are not dumb, don't do it. If you are dumb that is fine I will address you like a child from now on.

 

[DoctorBombay]

who has managed to dishonor this program by losing to a MAC team.

It's nice to be 2-0, but that's against the worst FCS team and worst team in the ACC. Easiest opening two games in at least those 35 years.

Losing to CMU would negate that completely.

How and why, would you post something like this? Sheesh
SMDH

 

[Alsacs]

There are opinions and facts. A lot of what I posted was FACT. Then there were some conclusions which is opinion. Everyone of those conclusions had logic to them. Whether or not ones agrees with that logic is up to debate. I have no problem with that (see my conversation with Cusian). You are the one making this personal and not refuting a thing I say. If you cannot formulate a POV without saying things like: incoherent ramblings, wild assumptions, nonsense, preposterous, if you ever, and I hope that you that means you don't have a leg to stand on.

I have no problem with a different POV. But when you make it personal it makes you look dumb. If you are not dumb, don't do it. If you are dumb that is fine I will address you like a child from now on.

Cusian never takes shots it is part of the reason I respect his opinions even though I disagree with them.

 

[TheCusian]

Cusian never takes shots it is part of the reason I respect his opinions even though I disagree with them.

Thank ya. Same to you.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

It's a negative if you're replacing your entire offensive staff and your QB. My expectations were just about in line with what happened in 2013. The blowouts were not, but I thought we'd lose them.

I put full blame of the Mc. . . . it implosion on Shafer.

I think injuries finished the job.

I never said discussing what-ifs were a negative. I said making simplistic declarations "push, bad, bad" is not how these things actually get evaluated. Shafer could get fired - but I don't think "push, bad, bad" is why. It will be because Coyle doesn't think he's capable or that he doesn't see eye to eye on things. But Lester is new enough (and seemingly capable enough) and Dungey has already showed enough promise - it would be hard to sell a bad O as the reason at this point.

Of course it wouldn't be simplistic. There is an off the field component and on the field component to evaluating a HC. On the field if we have one mediocre and two bad seasons, the on the field component will be failing. And by bad I mean that we look bad on O again this year with 4 or less wins. If you aren't getting it done on the field you better be getting it done on the recruiting trail. If we are pulling in mid level ACC classes then that can negate on the field failures. However if we are bringing in bottom of the ACC classes, what would make an AD think things will change? In that case the coaching wouldn't be getting current lower level talent into a Bowl. Why would future classes with lower level talent change things?

It isn't just wins and losses. The program needs to be going in the right direction on the field and/or off the field. If we have a bad O again this year, we are not going in the right direction. If we have a bottom of the ACC recruiting class, we are not going in the right direction. I would be fine giving Shafer through 2017 even if we go 2-10 this year. But the O has to show vast improvement and we need to have a lower mid ACC recruiting class.