These kids deserve better….

[Scooch]

All the stuff about parking, the 'atmosphere', the seats, etc. is all such bullsh!t. If that stuff was such a huge deterrent then we wouldn't draw better than 99.99999% of hoops teams to same the building that football is played in.

I grew up in Massachusetts in the 80s and let me tell you, there was no bigger holy trinity of fan unfriendly, horrible venues than Fenway Park, the Boston Garden and Foxboro Stadium.

For all its "charm" Fenway was a dump with seats built for midgets and sightlines that had half the fans either with an obstructed view or needing to be a circus contortionist to see home plate. And try navigating traffic and finding a parking spot at 6pm on a workday in Boston.

The Garden was a bigger dump. 20% of the crowd was rats. Not the kind of Boston fans you guys hate, I mean actual rats, they were everywhere in the building. There were also tons of obstructed, tiny seats, and parking was impossible.

The Foxboro Stadium experience meant sitting on metal benches, outside, with zero cover anywhere in the building, including the concourses. Getting out of the parking lots when there was a full house took 2-3 hours. No exaggeration.

And yet all those places were jam-freakin-packed when the teams were good.

Again, win some games.

 

[Bayside44]

All the stuff about parking, the 'atmosphere', the seats, etc. is all such bullsh!t. If that stuff was such a huge deterrent then we wouldn't draw better than 99.99999% of hoops teams to same the building that football is played in.

I grew up in Massachusetts in the 80s and let me tell you, there was no bigger holy trinity of fan unfriendly, horrible venues than Fenway Park, the Boston Garden and Foxboro Stadium.

For all its "charm" Fenway was a dump with seats built for midgets and sightlines that had half the fans either with an obstructed view or needing to be a circus contortionist to see home plate. And try navigating traffic and finding a parking spot at 6pm on a workday in Boston.

The Garden was a bigger dump. 20% of the crowd was rats. Not the kind of Boston fans you guys hate, I mean actual rats, they were everywhere in the building. There were also tons of obstructed, tiny seats, and parking was impossible.

The Foxboro Stadium experience meant sitting on metal benches, outside, with zero cover anywhere in the building, including the concourses. Getting out of the parking lots when there was a full house took 2-3 hours. No exaggeration.

And yet all those places were jam-freakin-packed when the teams were good.

Again, win some games.

Pretty much. This question was forever put to bed last night while watching The Franchise put 92 points up in a glorious manner. It's a tough act to be compared to.

 

[Alcuse01]

It's pretty simple for me... the answer... is just win. It doesn't matter who we play, the game day experience (inside the dome), or anything. Take (get ready for it) RU as an example... they played against absolute sh$t teams for how many years? They turned their program around and increased their attendance so much they expanded their stadium... and why? b/c they were beating no names and bottom of the barrel teams... but were then 5-0 and getting national attention. Ppl started going to the games... why? b/c their halftime was good? b/c the school gave them something? b/c it was easy to get from the parking to the stadium? no - if you've ever been to one there you'd see they have no in game experience, their parking sucks more then in Cuse, it's freezing there too, and the school doesn't offer good beer, oh wait... any beer.. and no free prizes... but ppl showed up while they were beating up on nobodys and getting a good record and getting national attention... and having meaningful games at the end of the year.

Now I realize stating this is just terrible here on this board, b/c RU sucks, and they play nobody, and are falling apart, and we can't still understand how RU can add to the value of the B1G when nobody watches them... I mean, we're SU and we were the ones calling them out for playing nobody. ... But my point is if you win, regardless of who you play and how you get there, regardless of all the other complaints you hear here, ppl will show...

2 other quick points -
1) I don't even know how to donate to the program...
and have never been called. Pretty pathetic in my eyes
2) The Gmen suck this year, but ppl show - -b/c they have a larger audience, and one that was born into rooting for them, with season tickets passed down. Plus, we win often, so 1 bad year doesn't cause a panic. And tailgating still rules regardless if your team sucks.

 

[rrlbees]

All the stuff about parking, the 'atmosphere', the seats, etc. is all such bullsh!t. If that stuff was such a huge deterrent then we wouldn't draw better than 99.99999% of hoops teams to same the building that football is played in. I grew up in Massachusetts in the 80s and let me tell you, there was no bigger holy trinity of fan unfriendly, horrible venues than Fenway Park, the Boston Garden and Foxboro Stadium. For all its "charm" Fenway was a dump with seats built for midgets and sightlines that had half the fans either with an obstructed view or needing to be a circus contortionist to see home plate. And try navigating traffic and finding a parking spot at 6pm on a workday in Boston. The Garden was a bigger dump. 20% of the crowd was rats. Not the kind of Boston fans you guys hate, I mean actual rats, they were everywhere in the building. There were also tons of obstructed, tiny seats, and parking was impossible. The Foxboro Stadium experience meant sitting on metal benches, outside, with zero cover anywhere in the building, including the concourses. Getting out of the parking lots when there was a full house took 2-3 hours. No exaggeration. And yet all those places were jam-freakin-packed when the teams were good. Again, win some games.

That explains it, you're from Massachusetts.

Nobody has ever said winning didn't matter with attendance. Of course a 10-2 team will draw better than one that is 2-10. But the other things and decisions SU has made do matter...especially when you AREN'T 10-2 consistently or even sometimes. So yes, the things you mock make a difference and could be the difference between 35k and 40k. May not mean as much as winning, but it matters, regardless of how many times you call it BS. They matter MORE, when you're not winning.

Comparing it to basketball is what is BS. The basketball team has had such a long sustained run of excellence that those other things are overlooked. Let the football team have a 30 year run and they wouldn't matter either. 8-5 every so often isn't going to change people's attitudes or desire to attend.

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[Scooch]

That explains it, you're from Massachusetts.

Nobody has ever said winning didn't matter with attendance. Of course a 10-2 team will draw better than one that is 2-10. But the other things and decisions SU has made do matter...especially when you AREN'T 10-2 consistently or even sometimes. So yes, the things you mock make a difference and could be the difference between 35k and 40k. May not mean as much as winning, but it matters, regardless of how many times you call it BS. They matter MORE, when you're not winning.

Comparing it to basketball is what is BS. The basketball team has had such a long sustained run of excellence that those other things are overlooked. Let the football team have a 30 year run and they wouldn't matter either. 8-5 every so often isn't going to change people's attitudes or desire to attend.

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So with this magic marketing bullet SU would have had, what, 24K in the Dome for Pitt instead of 21K?

 

[rrlbees]

So with this magic marketing bullet SU would have had, what, 24K in the Dome for Pitt instead of 21K?

It's not just marketing. And there wasn't 21 for Pitt.

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[Millhouse]

basketball probably takes away attendance even if it's months later

there are only so many nights people can commit to going to games. all those nights are saved up to use on basketball where your chances of seeing something good are much better

this is the part where I would google basketball attendance for football factories trying find someone where no one cares about basketball. i'm too lazy to do this but lets pretend i did.

big populations, this stuff doesn't matter, because different people can fill up different arenas at different parts of the year.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Win and it solves everything??? Well maybe in the rest of the country but not cny.

Went to a Bowl game 2 of the last 3 years.

Nobody cares.

For if they did, Pitt would've been a sellout.

The best part of winning...is the climb.

Games at home to be bowl eligible, for a winning record, v longtime rivals...wow!! That's the juice needed right there!!!

Clearly cnyers don't give a flyin .

For what they want, is not a good game, but blowout wins at home v top notch competition.

Too bad, sucks to be you, for that ain't happening.

This is the best you should expect right now!!! Season on the flunking line!!

Win and in!!

Yee-ha!!

Stay home though, you.

 

[rrlbees]

Clearly cnyers don't give a flyin .

Nor do the alumni or students.

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[KaiserUEO]

Nor do the alumni or students.

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Alumni certainly do, but the current state of affairs with students is alarming.

Soon they will have $$, and it will be hard to get them to donate when they never cared in the 1st place.