They can't have to much on Bernie.

[arbitragegls]

as Jsshap stated:
"Its conveivable that this is all about investigating child molestation crimes 25 years ago that are still chargeable under federal law or another state law, and there is probable cause to believe evidence of those crimes is in the house today (or yesterday), but its much more likely that the investigation has turned up evidence of recent criminal activity"...

What is interesting is the following:
1. Bernie and/or anyone else in this household should have gotten rid of all potential documents/photos, etc relating to a case that was investigated in '05 by Syracuse and in '02--otherwise this is a sign of contempt and stupidity by whomever caused the harm
2. Different house...searching trash, rooms, cabinets etc...seems like a relatively new assertion and or claim against Bernie or family member which would likely mean new accusations and/or accuser
3. The only financial link we have is the $5,000 given to Davis for
---college loans...afterall went to six different colleges so that sum would not even have paid for transportation
---hush money to not say anything about allegations
---blackmail money to keep quiet
4. And then there is this:
---does Bernie have any kids that can be involved in drug dealing and money laundering"
---has any kid been brought up on drug charges previously
---why has Bernie's wife lost her charitable job at Boys and Girls club in Syracuse--that is dealing with kids

From my perspective, this has gone too far to be a thorough investigation of acts past...unless the FEDS have demonstrable proof of crossing state lines...and was there another person that molested by someone else with $$$ passed...or porn sold over the internet.

Whew...brain fart...no wonder JB has backed off by saying new facts will possibly change his support for Bernie.

 

[longislandcuse]

Really?? Is that a serious question?

Yea, sorry i dont spend my entire life reading judicial studies and law enforement/investigative tactics.

 

[longislandcuse]

Alot of the riddlers on this board who apparantly have inside knowledge seem to reference Laurie as being involved in some capacity (tape/a new person will emerge etc). Her name has come up a bunch of times in those kind of posts.

 

[OrangeHeel]

Again, you don't get a search warrant based on old evidence. There has to be some new info that is not stale.

Also, from being involved in investigations, searching trash is common. This is especially true here since I suspect home has been under surveillance & trash put out for collection already searched.

Finally, Feds go at their own pace. I've seen them wait to arrest a person part of a conspiracy to kill a cop who was a severe flight risk. Their view is that they do things on their schedule & can locate/arrest throughout the world.


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[DoctorBombay]

I'm gonna take a shot and make like Mr. Spock- that search yesterday had absolutely nothing to do with Davis & Lang.
Using the discipline of LOGIC, one has to assume NEW accusations backed by detailed info involving some sort of record-keeping-
ie; video, computer, documents, trace evidence, photos, etc.
You don't search the trash, if you're looking for 30 year old evidence of a crime- it has to be more recent and with enough probable cause to justify a warrant. Also, the element of surprise applies, as this search took place the day after Thanksgiving...they wanted to catch "someone" with their guard down.
You don't get a federal search warrant to investigate 25-30 year old charges, this is clearly moving in another direction.

In any case, whatever Bernie was involved in, if anything, has to be rooted out, exposed, & ended- ESPECIALLY if it involve(s) other victims. Frankly, that's the final outcome we should all be hoping for. :noidea:

 

[cuserulesall]

Going through the motions. If he was doing stuff with these kids it was like 10-15 years ago or so, searching his house now will do what? He has had stuff laying around? Hell he had to know this was coming, if there was stuff he has had 2 weeks to destroy anything.

As long as it gets this over with quicker, fine. But I find this and utter waste of time and just going through the motions.

That is your tax paying dollars , being thrown to the wind . No wonder this country is broke !

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm gonna take a shot and make like Mr. Spock- that search yesterday had absolutely nothing to do with Davis & Lang.
Using the discipline of LOGIC, one has to assume NEW accusations backed by detailed info involving some sort of record-keeping-
ie; video, computer, documents, trace evidence, photos, etc.
You don't search the trash, if you're looking for 30 year old evidence of a crime- it has to be more recent and with enough probable cause to justify a warrant. Also, the element of surprise applies, as this search took place the day after Thanksgiving...they wanted to catch "someone" with their guard down.
You don't get a federal search warrant to investigate 25-30 year old charges, this is clearly moving in another direction.

In any case, whatever Bernie was involved in, if anything, has to be rooted out, exposed, & ended- ESPECIALLY if it involve(s) other victims. Frankly, that's the final outcome we should all be hoping for. :noidea:

Going on that logic while i agree with your premise, would mean they think they can find evidence in the trash if something that must have happened in the past 3-4 days? Still doesnt make sense.

 

[dash-30-dash]

doesn't mean that at all long island. Maybe they were looking for something old that they feared fine was tossing out?

 

[ejz555]

That is your tax paying dollars , being thrown to the wind . No wonder this country is broke !

This qualifies as one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on here..and there have been alot lately...Oh Lord

 

[orange2win]

Investigate the allegations by speaking to the accuser, the accused if he/she is willing to talk, and by conducting whatever other investigation is necessary to determine if there is a chargeable criminal offense or potential ongoing criminal activity. That would not include searching the house of the accused absent probable cause to believe such search will uncover evidence of a crime. And the accused's 4th amendment rights prevent a search absent consent or probable cause.

Its conveivable that this is all about investigating child molestation crimes 25 years ago that are still chargeable under federal law or another state law, and there is probable cause to believe evidence of those crimes is in the house today (or yesterday), but its much more likely that the investigation has turned up evidence of recent criminal activity.

Searching the trash and the surrounding yard, if true, begs several other questions. I do not believe that is SOP either, perhaps it is, if not that suggests there was reason to believe there was an effort to discard or conceal incriminating evidence.

Yes, sounds like more to this than old buggery charges. Maybe his moonlighting activities? Tax evasion?
http://newyork.therightfinancialadvisor.com/showListing/id/5514435/name/Bernard-Fine/index.html

 

[longislandcuse]

doesn't mean that at all long island. Maybe they were looking for something old that they feared fine was tossing out?

Yea, what i meant was assuming Bernie would be smart enough to have gotten rid of evidence immediately.

 

[AZOrange]

Yes, sounds like more to this than old buggery charges. Maybe his moonlighting activities? Tax evasion?
http://newyork.therightfinancialadvisor.com/showListing/id/5514435/name/Bernard-Fine/index.html

Bernie Fine sells life insurance? This is weird. What does he have time to do that?

 

[bnoro]

That is your tax paying dollars , being thrown to the wind . No wonder this country is broke !

Yes, it's horrible our tax dollars are used to investigate crimes rather than paying a police officer to sit at a desk and do nothing.

 

[WalnutPark]

Bernie Fine sells life insurance? This is weird. What does he have time to do that?

Guessing he uses it as tax shelter, even if he sells minimal business.

 

[Ghost]

Bernie Fine sells life insurance? This is weird. What does he have time to do that?

Did you try calling the contact number yet? Maybe you could just ask him if he's guilty, worst case scenario is you get a great deal on some life insurance.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Another question to our legal/law enforcement eagles out there: Davis' admission of taking $5,000 from Fine under false pretenses (ie for non existent college bills) and his admission to having no intention to repay the debt as a way to 'get back' at Fine is a head scratcher to me. Seems like he was stupid for saying such a thing. Could he have implicated himself in something related to fraud charges? I find it hard to believe he didn't open a can of worms on himself.

Is there anything there?

 

[zeekay]

Another question to our legal/law enforcement eagles out there: Davis' admission of taking $5,000 from Fine under false pretenses (ie for non existent college bills) and his admission to having no intention to repay the debt as a way to 'get back' at Fine is a head scratcher to me. Seems like he was stupid for saying such a thing. Could he have implicated himself in something related to fraud charges? I find it hard to believe he didn't open a can of worms on himself.

Is there anything there?

Um not really. There is no signed contract and no evidence that this money was obtained by blackmail. So nothing there.

 

[mountaincuse]

Bernie Fine sells life insurance? This is weird. What does he have time to do that?

He's been doing it for years. I gotta think the feds involvement deals with something with this as a front for money laundering or his son selling drugs.

I wouldn't think its new molestation stuff just based on what we have heard from people around him.

Gotta be something different than Davis and lang, imho

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Bernie's been in the insurance business for a very, very long time. I'm thinking since the 1970s, maybe before he joined JB on the staff.

 

[cuserulesall]

Yes, it's horrible our tax dollars are used to investigate crimes rather than paying a police officer to sit at a desk and do nothing.

Then they should be unemployed , it's simple .

 

[jr4750]

He's been doing it for years. I gotta think the feds involvement deals with something with this as a front for money laundering or his son selling drugs.

I wouldn't think its new molestation stuff just based on what we have heard from people around him.


Didn't John Cuse say a new figure would emerge and take this in a direction away from
The program and JB?



Gotta be something different than Davis and lang, imho

Didn't John Cuse say a new figure would emerge and take this in a direction away from
The program and JB?

 

[AZOrange]

Another question to our legal/law enforcement eagles out there: Davis' admission of taking $5,000 from Fine under false pretenses (ie for non existent college bills) and his admission to having no intention to repay the debt as a way to 'get back' at Fine is a head scratcher to me. Seems like he was stupid for saying such a thing. Could he have implicated himself in something related to fraud charges? I find it hard to believe he didn't open a can of worms on himself.

Is there anything there?

I dont know if there is anything there for BF to pursue, but I dont think that it helps Davis' claims.

 

[bnoro]

Then they should be unemployed , it's simple .

ok. there are so many ways this can go but not going to waste my time...