This board is losing it

[jekelish]

For me this comes down to syracuse basketaball more then the crime. These two are traitors to syracuse basketball. Sellout for money. I dispise their selfishness and traitorism to syracuse basketball.

This is one of those rare cases where bernie should be looked at and its sad the institution got included. If Bernie commits a crime alone then he commits it alone in front of nobody.

If anyone responds in disagreement I will just post this...
Then you don't know what its like to be a diehard fan of any sport. These two are not good people abused or not. Its like fighting for a house burglar who gets malested.

For some of us Syracuse basketball is like your house or houses you grew up and live in. Its all your history and everything you love.

I'm sorry, I don't want to offend any mentally challenged folks out there, but that's flat out ed.

 

[orangefan13]

I'm sorry, I don't want to offend any mentally challenged folks out there, but that's flat out ed.

If anyone responds in disagreement I will just post this...
Then you don't know what its like to be a diehard fan of any sport. These two are not good people abused or not. Its like fighting for a house burglar who gets malested.

 

[kuethstheman]

It's JB who lacks nuance. He should have dealt specifically with the things he knows are inaccurate. By saying "1000 lies" he's saying it's all lies. If Bernie is guilty, JB will have publicly called a sexual abuse victim a liar. If this happens, he should resign (if given the opportunity). He might be able to get away with a mea culpa but it'll have to be one hell of a mea culpa. If Bernie's guilty, the program is screwed because of JB's mouth. It didn't have to be that way.

I agree with #1 - #3. Although I think JB was an idiot and should have exerted some self-control, I'm not about to call him an ass-clown.

I have nothing to say about your point #1, but I do on all the others:

2. I have fully supported Bernie from the jump and I am dead certain that this fifth investigation, like the four that preceded it, will once again end in his favor. I am hopeful that it will end in charges or at least a civil judgement against this foul pair of grifters.

3. I don't care about ESPN. Schwarz has failed abysmally in his journalistic duties, but I still prize ESPN and still think highly of many of their reporters (Katz, Bilas, Gottlieb, etc.). Yes, I very much like Doug Gottlieb.

4. If you paid any attention at all to the allegations, and had any sense of nuance, then you would understand that Boeheim had to call them liars. Davis implicated Boeheim of complicity when he claimed that JB had seen Davis on Bernie's hotel bed on road trips. Davis and Lang were building a story of complicity, if not overtly then of negligence, against JB and the program. That had to be shot down forcefully. JB had to either call them out for the filthy *cking liars that they are, or else he had to explain why he turned a blind eye all those years.

The only assclowns in this whole circus are those of you who are too afraid to call a spade a spade - the stories these guys are peddling are inconsistent both internally and with each other, and the weight of evidence is clearly on Bernie's side.

 

[ljmilman]

I'm in agreement with you goodroc. I think things have gone overboard almost to the point of Ped St fans. None of us do know all the details or what evidence their is. We started the free Bernie bandwagon once we saw the accusers in the interview. Yet, the way they behaved can be indicative of a number of things including drugs, alcohol, abuse by someone in the past or abuse by Bernie. But who knows? We don't but we immediately went for the jugular. As SU fans it hits closer to home and is tough to understand or believe what is going on, but we aren't acting much differently than ESPN. We are jumping to conclusions. I want this to all go away and I want Bernie to be shown not to be guilty of these accusations, but damn, I just don't know. The one thing I keep thinking about and trying to reconcile is that when this first broke, Cantor immediately put Bernie on leave. Did she do that because she did not want a PSU appearance? Or did she have enough evidence that it was warranted even if not proven completely true? She was comfortable with the 2005 SU investigation and findings by BSK. So what has changed in her mind to now suspend him other than Lang? Is she as guilty as everyone else at assuming? I don't think she is like that and believe she has enough concern to have done what she did. Won't mean Bernie is guilty but there is enough there from past investigations and new info to give people pause to re-look at it.

Lets hope these guys weren't abused as kids (that would be the biggest shame in all this) and that Bernie is found "innocent".

The person I work for at my internship has been in Media/Media Relations for over 30 years. He's worked in Media Relations with multiple professional sports teams and even contacted Graham Spanier (before he was ousted) asking if PSU needed crisis management PR following the break of the Sandusky news.

With that said, based on his thought process surrounding the PSU investigation, I think it's pretty simple. When someone is under investigation of any type (especially by the cops or DA), you as an organization distance yourself from that person no matter how sure you are they are innocent. If the investigation returns nothing, it is on you and the accused to determine whether they should come back or move on, but during the investigation there's no real reason not to put the accused on leave.

 

[jekelish]

If anyone responds in disagreement I will just post this...
Then you don't know what its like to be a diehard fan of any sport. These two are not good people abused or not. Its like fighting for a house burglar who gets malested.

If these two were abused by Bernie, then it goes a hell of a lot deeper than a ing basketball game, and to say they are traitors and bad people for wanting justice and wanting to stop a child predator is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

 

[AZOrange]

The one thing I keep thinking about and trying to reconcile is that when this first broke, Cantor immediately put Bernie on leave. Did she do that because she did not want a PSU appearance? Or did she have enough evidence that it was warranted even if not proven completely true? She was comfortable with the 2005 SU investigation and findings by BSK. So what has changed in her mind to now suspend him other than Lang? Is she as guilty as everyone else at assuming? I don't think she is like that and believe she has enough concern to have done what she did. Won't mean Bernie is guilty but there is enough there from past investigations and new info to give people pause to re-look at it.

Lets hope these guys weren't abused as kids (that would be the biggest shame in all this) and that Bernie is found "innocent".

It's SOP for a University to do something like that in light of the allegations. There is no way she had more information in the 2 hours it took her to do that. But it does give you some idea of how quickly and thoroughly she will act on the whole program if he is guilty...

 

[rrlbees]

For me this comes down to syracuse basketaball more then the crime. These two are traitors to syracuse basketball. Sellout for money. I dispise their selfishness and traitorism to syracuse basketball.

This is one of those rare cases where bernie should be looked at and its sad the institution got included. If Bernie commits a crime alone then he commits it alone in front of nobody.

If anyone responds in disagreement I will just post this...
Then you don't know what its like to be a diehard fan of any sport. These two are not good people abused or not. Its like fighting for a house burglar who gets malested.

For some of us Syracuse basketball is like your house or houses you grew up and live in. Its all your history and everything you love.

Wow. I'm speechless. Did you just say even if these guys are telling the truth, you put SU basketball ahead of child sex abuse? Sure sounds like it.

 

[jekelish]

Bees, you just don't get what it's like to be a fan.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If Fine is guilty, ESPN will continue to drag Bernie's name through the mud.

What if this investigation turns up no evidence (just like the previous 3 investigations did)?

Can ESPN "undrag" his name? You can't unring the bell.

 

[djcon57]

I'm in agreement with you goodroc. I think things have gone overboard almost to the point of Ped St fans. None of us do know all the details or what evidence their is. We started the free Bernie bandwagon once we saw the accusers in the interview. Yet, the way they behaved can be indicative of a number of things including drugs, alcohol, abuse by someone in the past or abuse by Bernie. But who knows? We don't but we immediately went for the jugular. As SU fans it hits closer to home and is tough to understand or believe what is going on, but we aren't acting much differently than ESPN. We are jumping to conclusions. I want this to all go away and I want Bernie to be shown not to be guilty of these accusations, but damn, I just don't know. The one thing I keep thinking about and trying to reconcile is that when this first broke, Cantor immediately put Bernie on leave. Did she do that because she did not want a PSU appearance? Or did she have enough evidence that it was warranted even if not proven completely true? She was comfortable with the 2005 SU investigation and findings by BSK. So what has changed in her mind to now suspend him other than Lang? Is she as guilty as everyone else at assuming? I don't think she is like that and believe she has enough concern to have done what she did. Won't mean Bernie is guilty but there is enough there from past investigations and new info to give people pause to re-look at it.

Lets hope these guys weren't abused as kids (that would be the biggest shame in all this) and that Bernie is found "innocent".

The major difference between how "we" are acting and how ESPN is acting is "we" don't have a media outlet to broadcast our views to the outside world other than if you came to this website. ESPN/OTL is forming a case to the outside viewer, not just presenting the facts and letting the viewer decide. I agree thought that I think "we" should tone it down a notch.

 

[orangefan13]

If these two were abused by Bernie, then it goes a hell of a lot deeper than a ******* basketball game, and to say they are traitors and bad people for wanting justice and wanting to stop a child predator is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

Its not justice. They have enough on Bernie to hit him at his home. They don't need to add the road allegations and come after the program for money.

The media should understand that as well.
Why do you think JB is saying quote.. "Its all about the money"

Don't get lost in this whole thing that justice isn't fair. You slip and fall on a wet floor while drunk and not paying attention. Why should the place pay for you. The law is just stupid some times. THat fact still remains no matter how many times its been dragged through the mud.

Bernie did or didn't do this alone.

 

[orange79]

If anyone responds in disagreement I will just post this...
Then you don't know what its like to be a diehard fan of any sport.

BS

 

[scottynguyen]

I think we've been pretty composed.

 

[jekelish]

Hey orangefan13, why don't you sit this one out and stop talking for a little while.

 

[rrlbees]

The person I work for at my internship has been in Media/Media Relations for over 30 years. He's worked in Media Relations with multiple professional sports teams and even contacted Graham Spanier (before he was ousted) asking if PSU needed crisis management PR following the break of the Sandusky news.

With that said, based on his thought process surrounding the PSU investigation, I think it's pretty simple. When someone is under investigation of any type (especially by the cops or DA), you as an organization distance yourself from that person no matter how sure you are they are innocent. If the investigation returns nothing, it is on you and the accused to determine whether they should come back or move on, but during the investigation there's no real reason not to put the accused on leave.

I understand that but Bernie wasn't put on leave during the last investigation. What changed?

 

[AZOrange]

I think we've been pretty composed.

I can never get enough Ferrell in his underwear clips, Scotty. You slay me.

 

[jimsonjunction]

I'm in agreement with you goodroc. I think things have gone overboard almost to the point of Ped St fans. None of us do know all the details or what evidence their is. We started the free Bernie bandwagon once we saw the accusers in the interview. Yet, the way they behaved can be indicative of a number of things including drugs, alcohol, abuse by someone in the past or abuse by Bernie. But who knows? We don't but we immediately went for the jugular. As SU fans it hits closer to home and is tough to understand or believe what is going on, but we aren't acting much differently than ESPN. We are jumping to conclusions. I want this to all go away and I want Bernie to be shown not to be guilty of these accusations, but damn, I just don't know. The one thing I keep thinking about and trying to reconcile is that when this first broke, Cantor immediately put Bernie on leave. Did she do that because she did not want a PSU appearance? Or did she have enough evidence that it was warranted even if not proven completely true? She was comfortable with the 2005 SU investigation and findings by BSK. So what has changed in her mind to now suspend him other than Lang? Is she as guilty as everyone else at assuming? I don't think she is like that and believe she has enough concern to have done what she did. Won't mean Bernie is guilty but there is enough there from past investigations and new info to give people pause to re-look at it.

Lets hope these guys weren't abused as kids (that would be the biggest shame in all this) and that Bernie is found "innocent".

Cantor has handled this very well. No doubt. But I don't think her putting Bernie on leave really means anything. It's really just the best solution for everyone involved. Bernie should be out of the public eye and with his family. The team certainly doesn't need the distraction. It's sort of like how McQueery was told not to coach the Nebraska game... doesn't mean he's guilty of anything. It's just the best course of action for the school, students, accused, etc.

 

[rrlbees]

It's SOP for a University to do something like that in light of the allegations. There is no way she had more information in the 2 hours it took her to do that. But it does give you some idea of how quickly and thoroughly she will act on the whole program if he is guilty...

Was he placed on leave before, during the investigation?

 

[AZOrange]

Was he placed on leave before, during the investigation?

It all kind of happened simultaneously Thursday night. I believe the SPD said they were looking into it and just about the same time he was placed on leave.

 

[ljmilman]

I understand that but Bernie wasn't put on leave during the last investigation. What changed?

My guess, investigation in the public eye vs investigation in private. I imagine she felt that during the last investigation, Fine's presence wouldn't impact the investigation, and had anything arisen, the same actions (placing him on leave) would have been taken.

Because this investigation is taking place in the public sphere, she has to worry about appearance instead of whether his presence ACTUALLY impacts the investigation.

 

[orangefan13]

Seriously you guys are saying they should go after the university and not just Bernie??

These aren't good people. And could destroy syracuse basketball without caring for some $$$$. Knock on wood.

Jb is rights its all about money.

 

[rrlbees]

Bees, you just don't get what it's like to be a fan.

Unbelievable huh?

 

[jekelish]

How are they going after the University? They are alleging Bernie molested them, and saying no one else within the University had knowledge.

What are you going on about? And why are you still saying that even if they were abused they are bad people? Jesus...

 

[orangefan13]

They are traitors. They are after the basketball program for money not just bernie.

What about all the people that love Cuse basketball?

 

[rrlbees]

The major difference between how "we" are acting and how ESPN is acting is "we" don't have a media outlet to broadcast our views to the outside world other than if you came to this website. ESPN/OTL is forming a case to the outside viewer, not just presenting the facts and letting the viewer decide. I agree thought that I think "we" should tone it down a notch.

No doubt we don't have the reach of an ESPN. Didn't mean to imply that, just that the behavior is over the top. It as funny for awhile and it was cool linking the Weiss and Whitlock articles, but we (SU fans) aren't going to be viewed very well if things go bad with this thing.