This season is an absolute disaster

[OttoinGrotto]

Is it an absolute disaster? Or more an unmitigated disaster?

 

[Orangefizz]

There is no system on defense that I can see. The plan seems to be stay in front of your man and that’s it. There are no rotations, no help D plan, no strategy around subs… nothing. This is year two… it’s insane.

Fwiw… I see the same lack of strategy on offense, but there seems to be at least the concept for a plan for some sort of motion there, but we have three players who have legit ACC talent, but one is now hurt, one is a raw freshman and one is apparently not good enough to start.

DINO VIBES!!!!

 

[OrangeFoo]

DINO VIBES!!!!

I really hope not... the concern with Dino before he got here was that he never stayed at any one place long enough to build something. He came, got success with the former coach's players and then failed upwards. Here, he tried to do the same, but the offers never came in 2018 so he had to try to build the program and he pretty quickly exposed himself as a no-trick pony... a lot of talk without backing it up.

But yes... there are a lot of parallels right now and it's not looking great.

 

[two3zone]

So I sat behind a couple NBA scouts at both Barclays games and couldn't help but read their notes over their shoulders.

They thought that Donnie has very stiff hips, is generally rigid in his movement and something not positive about the shape/proportionality of his legs. The only thing that I remember well enough to post about the actual basketball that he played was negatives concerning physicality/contact. I just texted my cousin that was with me to see if he recalled what else they wrote.

Before I got to the second game my cousin asked one of the scouts what they thought about Donnie and his exact words were "Other people seem to think that he is a first round pick" and left it at that.

 

[orangecuse]

Just to clarify, I was advocating doing proper due diligence to identify the best possible candidate.

I didn't like the idea of limiting our options by "keeping it in the family," because the three top candidates in that smaller pool were all undesirable:

• Hopkins flopped at UW
• Gerry had no head coaching experience
• Red had no head coaching experience

Now that Red was the choice, I don't want to see him fail. Red is one of my all-time favorite SU players, so while I didn't want him to be the choice because I didn't think he had the best qualifications, and was concerned that he would just be an extension of the former HC, who had run the program into the ground with Red as the Associate HC -- I am 100% behind him now.

And I'm sad to see aspects of what I was concerned about vis a vis his coaching acumen becoming evident as problems in year 2. But there won't be any "told you so" sentiment from me -- I really, really, really want Red to succeed, and our program to get back to the level it belongs.

100%!

I can't imagine any true fan of the program rooting for Autry to fail, etc., as if he does, that means SU has failed, continuing its downward trajectory the program seemingly has embedded itself in. Adrian was also one of my favorite players. His tourney performance against Missouri back in '94 was one of the best performances (IMO) of an SU player in the Dance.

It indeed is a sad state of affairs the program is in and quite unfortunate. However, IMO, your concerns mentioned in your last paragraph I believe were generally shared rather broadly. And, although certainly not inevitable, it, let's just say, was more than likely to play out just as it has.

According to what JW stated after hiring Autry, due diligence did occur. Quote; Wildhack said, Autry has been exposed to every aspect of the sport, and that uniquely prepares him for the job. “Adrian earned this,” Wildhack said Friday. “Adrian’s not here because he’s an alum, because he played here, because he’s an associate coach here. He’s here because I believe he’s the best candidate to lead this program and sustain the success that coach Boeheim has established over 47 years.”

Whether one believes him, or chooses to simply dismiss it as PR mumble jumble, etc., he said what he said. Moreover, he certainly wasn't forced to pick the choice of words uttered, he voluntarily chose them. And, along with it, the intent, meaning & integrity in which he implied.

 

[atlanticuse]

So I sat behind a couple NBA scouts at both Barclays games and couldn't help but read their notes over their shoulders.

Edit: He said that Donnie runs like he's hurt.

He does look or run hurt. A couple of us posted about that.

 

[OrangeFoo]

100%!

I can't imagine any true fan of the program rooting for Autry to fail, etc., as if he does, that means SU has failed, continuing its downward trajectory the program seemingly has embedded itself in. Adrian was also one of my favorite players. His tourney performance against Missouri back in '94 was one of the best performances (IMO) of an SU player in the Dance.

It indeed is a sad stated of affairs the program is in and quite unfortunate. However, IMO, your concerns mentioned in your last paragraph I believe were generally shared rather broadly. And, although certainly not inevitable, I would, let's just say, more than likely to play out as it has.

According to what JW stated after hiring Autry, due diligence did occur. Quote; Wildhack said, Autry has been exposed to every aspect of the sport, and that uniquely prepares him for the job. “Adrian earned this,” Wildhack said Friday. “Adrian’s not here because he’s an alum, because he played here, because he’s an associate coach here. He’s here because I believe he’s the best candidate to lead this program and sustain the success that coach Boeheim has established over 47 years.”

Whether one believes him, or chooses to simply dismiss it as PR mumble jumble, etc., he said what he said. Moreover, he certainly wasn't forced to pick the choice of words utterred, he voluntarily chose them. And, along with it, the intent, meaning & integrity in which he implied.

Exposed isn’t the same as leading and running. It’s different when your name is the one on the tv. Again not going to rehash whether the search was right or wrong. But how much rope is given from here on is critical. The program is on life support as an elite program.. a few more years like this and it might be too late

 

[IthacaMatt]

Vinny is a great person and good friend. He owned Healthway brands and basically saved business during COVID with his air filters that businesses used to stay open. He owns about all of Pulaski and does a ton of charity work. He is a driving force in helping SU bball and is very very close with Melo. Let’s be nice to Vin lol

Thank you for the info. I see him all the time as a featured speaker at this event or another, and I am aware of his charity work. But kind of like Adam Weitsman, I heard about him before I really knew why he was famous. No disrespect intended.

 

[Red2003]

According to what JW stated after hiring Autry, due diligence did occur. Quote; Wildhack said, Autry has been exposed to every aspect of the sport, and that uniquely prepares him for the job. “Adrian earned this,” Wildhack said Friday. “Adrian’s not here because he’s an alum, because he played here, because he’s an associate coach here. He’s here because I believe he’s the best candidate to lead this program and sustain the success that coach Boeheim has established over 47 years.”

Whether one believes him, or chooses to simply dismiss it as PR mumble jumble, etc., he said what he said. Moreover, he certainly wasn't forced to pick the choice of words uttered, he voluntarily chose them. And, along with it, the intent, meaning & integrity in which he implied.

Little storytelling on a Saturday morning. People think of SU sports like it's their fantasy league or what they see in the movies or think they hear from people that know. It's not. The reality is that SU is a giant Corporation. Wildhack and the Trustees and the Chancellor need to be looked at as nothing more than Executives in that big Corporate machine. They don't like risk or uncertainty and they aren't willing to gamble like we are.

They are protecting their jobs and making decisions so that if things go really bad they can still get their next job.

General Electric went through this same thing in 2018 and put out almost the same presser for the incoming internal new CEO. The old aging CEO Immelt ran the company into the ground with old thinking and didn't see the world changing. The internal hire was propped up to CEO quickly without a search to see if he could do anything and surprise surprise he was scapegoated. He had nothing new and was the same old thing and was quickly canned.

The next guy with a proven track record of turning around companies was hired Culp. He crushed it and hopefully people bought some GE stock earlier this year or last year because it's up an insane amount.

Point being start thinking of Cuse as a giant Corporate machine and things will make a lot more sense how we got here. How this all played out is quite normal in the Corporate world.

 

[baggerbob]

Little storytelling on a Saturday morning. People think of SU sports like it's their fantasy league or what they see in the movies or think they hear from people that know. It's not. The reality is that SU is a giant Corporation. Wildhack and the Trustees and the Chancellor need to be looked at as nothing more than Executives in that big Corporate machine. They don't like risk or uncertainty and they aren't willing to gamble like we are.

They are protecting their jobs and making decisions so that if things go really bad they can still get their next job.

General Electric went through this same thing in 2018 and put out almost the same presser for the incoming internal new CEO. The old aging CEO Immelt ran the company into the ground with old thinking and didn't see the world changing. The internal hire was propped up to CEO quickly without a search to see if he could do anything and surprise surprise he was scapegoated. He had nothing new and was the same old thing and was quickly canned.

The next guy with a proven track record of turning around companies was hired Culp. He crushed it and hopefully people bought some GE stock earlier this year or last year because it's up an insane amount.

Point being start thinking of Cuse as a giant Corporate machine and things will make a lot more sense how we got here. How this all played out is quite normal in the Corporate world.

The AD is fine in the new world, it's the Chancellor that needs to get up to par in the new world, or be replaced.

 

[pwong]

359th in ball screen defense is very very very bad

 

[RF2044]

100%!

I can't imagine any true fan of the program rooting for Autry to fail, etc., as if he does, that means SU has failed, continuing its downward trajectory the program seemingly has embedded itself in. Adrian was also one of my favorite players. His tourney performance against Missouri back in '94 was one of the best performances (IMO) of an SU player in the Dance.

It indeed is a sad state of affairs the program is in and quite unfortunate. However, IMO, your concerns mentioned in your last paragraph I believe were generally shared rather broadly. And, although certainly not inevitable, it, let's just say, was more than likely to play out just as it has.

According to what JW stated after hiring Autry, due diligence did occur. Quote; Wildhack said, Autry has been exposed to every aspect of the sport, and that uniquely prepares him for the job. “Adrian earned this,” Wildhack said Friday. “Adrian’s not here because he’s an alum, because he played here, because he’s an associate coach here. He’s here because I believe he’s the best candidate to lead this program and sustain the success that coach Boeheim has established over 47 years.”

Whether one believes him, or chooses to simply dismiss it as PR mumble jumble, etc., he said what he said. Moreover, he certainly wasn't forced to pick the choice of words uttered, he voluntarily chose them. And, along with it, the intent, meaning & integrity in which he implied.

For sure, I certainly DID express my belief that we were minimizing our chances for the succession to succeed by delimiting the candidate pool.

And I agree with your conclusion -- let's hope it doesn't play out that way in the end. But things look bad.

 

[Cusefan0307]

359th in ball screen defense is very very very bad

Not a shock with our guards and Lampkin.

 

[Orangezoo]

Just took a look at what our guys that transferred out are doing so far and paid that with what we have so far this year and you could argue talent evaluation looks as bad as coaching chops right now. While I realize those were JB guys, Red and Griff were part of that and getting in those guys followed by what looks like regression in talent level this year so far.

 

[pwong]

Not a shock with our guards and Lampkin.

Most of our guys are proven D1 players and there are only 5 teams in ALL OF D1 worse than us. At what point is coaching also an issue?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Most of our guys are proven D1 players and there are only 5 teams in ALL OF D1 worse than us. At what point is coaching also an issue?

I don’t disagree at all. I am just saying I never expected the defense to be good.

 

[Bayside44]

Just took a look at what our guys that transferred out are doing so far and paid that with what we have so far this year and you could argue talent evaluation looks as bad as coaching chops right now. While I realize those were JB guys, Red and Griff were part of that and getting in those guys followed by what looks like regression in talent level this year so far.

Q got kicked out, Judah got a real job, Maliq's story has been beaten to death (role guy on a top 5 team), and isn't Taylor hurt? The other centers aren't doing anything either.

The JC thing is a disaster, the other guys seem to be doing what they're supposed to.

 

[Orangezoo]

Q got kicked out, Judah got a real job, Maliq's story has been beaten to death (role guy on a top 5 team), and isn't Taylor hurt? The other centers aren't doing anything either.

The JC thing is a disaster, the other guys seem to be doing what they're supposed to.

I would just say Bell is a huge question mark after the off season comments vs his struggles so far and then just PG as a whole whether it’s the gamble on Chance, the JC experiment and then the Kyle Cuffe experiment and even the comments that Taylor could play the 1 at times in off season. Davis and Freeman have been as expected. Lampkins back I do wonder what homework we did on his health too - no complaints on him giving everything he’s got though.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Q got kicked out, Judah got a real job, Maliq's story has been beaten to death (role guy on a top 5 team), and isn't Taylor hurt? The other centers aren't doing anything either.

The JC thing is a disaster, the other guys seem to be doing what they're supposed to.

Mostly fair, but Lampkin has been a mess physically and that hasn’t helped.

 

[IthacaMatt]

359th in ball screen defense is very very very bad

Good article.

 

[Bayside44]

I would just say Bell is a huge question mark after the off season comments vs his struggles so far and then just PG as a whole whether it’s the gamble on Chance, the JC experiment and then the Kyle Cuffe experiment and even the comments that Taylor could play the 1 at times in off season. Davis and Freeman have been as expected. Lampkins back I do wonder what homework we did on his health too - no complaints on him giving everything he’s got though.

Agreed on Bell. Hard to watch.

 

[Bayside44]

Mostly fair, but Lampkin has been a mess physically and that hasn’t helped.

Agreed. Shame because you can see the offensive materials

 

[CorduroyG]

This team has no chance at finishing above .500. 1 of the worst cuse teams ive ever seen.

 

[atlanticuse]

Red nonverbal:
1. Hands in pocket
2. Disinterested, looking away
3. On bench, sad

 

[UpstateSM]

Not a shock with our guards and Lampkin.

Hmmmmmm almost like some of us said this would be EXACTLY the case all offseason