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Thoughts for playing time after two games

Mintz and JJ have to play together. Neither is only playing 20 min/game. I would say I never want both off the floor at the same time and they'll need to figure out how to play off of one another. That's what good basketball players do.

No, I disagree. I want to see Judah & JJ to start, then Cuffe for JJ, and then JJ for Judah.

That way, each gets their time as the alpha on the drive to the rim, and they won't be competing for the same shot.

Then play who is giving you what you need.
 
Do people realize that JJ has played 72/80 minutes in the two exhibition games. Red likes his game and he’s going to be on the court. He’s not playing only 20 minutes. People can forget that.

We'll see. He hasn't had the whole team together yet, and he doesn't know what somebody is going to give him. You can't play both JJ and Judah for 34 minutes if neither can reliably make a three.
 
The problem is with shooting is, how many guys go from being poor to really good in a year? If it happened a lot everybody would shoot 40%.

You could live in a gym and it doesn’t mean you’re going to be a great shooter.
The only difference is that he was allegedly a good shooter before Brey messed him up.
 
After watching, I think it may take a bit for this team but I also think we may seeing something we haven’t considered.

Teams knew what they were going to see us the last 20 plus years, straight zone. They’d press, typically down double digits, screw you Virginia 2016!

What if Red is different? What if the plan IS to press and press a lot, but he’s holding it back in these meaningless games. I wouldn’t be at all surprised at that and when do you get a bunch of OPEN 3’s? Defensive turnovers and in transition. I think it may take some time though, could be a rough stretch to start but AT least it would be an option for this team to evolve into a tough out come March.

Judah, please stop falling every play bud, you’re freakin me out! Every single time time my heart stops and I sound like I’m praying out loud “please, Judah” for a second, every single time. We NEED YOU to stay healthy sir!
 
After watching, I think it may take a bit for this team but I also think we may seeing something we haven’t considered.

Teams knew what they were going to see us the last 20 plus years, straight zone. They’d press, typically down double digits, screw you Virginia 2016!

What if Red is different? What if the plan IS to press and press a lot, but he’s holding it back in these meaningless games. I wouldn’t be at all surprised at that and when do you get a bunch of OPEN 3’s? Defensive turnovers and in transition. I think it may take some time though, could be a rough stretch to start but AT least it would be an option for this team to evolve into a tough out come March.

Judah, please stop falling every play bud, you’re freakin me out! Every single time time my heart stops and I sound like I’m praying out loud “please, Judah” for a second, every single time. We NEED YOU to stay healthy sir!
Considering we saw almost no press during the exhibitions I’m guessing it may not be the most effective tool, at least not now.
 
Teams knew what they were going to see us the last 20 plus years,
boeheim was nothing if not super predictable to game plan against. let's hope red brings in a few more curveballs besides the desperation trunk monkey
 
I wouldn't throw out the idea of Judah, JJ, Benny, Mcleod and Quadir/Brown starting early on(no hard short passes/over the back/stupid fouls).

Then pull the trigger on, Bell+Taylor Cuffe/Quadir all at the same time at under 14-16 with whichever guard appears running the best. We did solid without 3s last game, and at least that way Judah and JJ know what we want to do on offense. Plus Benny/Judah can still pop a 3 look early if the shot clock is late. I don't want to pull Bell out of the starting lineup as he deserves it, but it's nerve-racking and fun to intimidate rather than taking what the defense gives you all the time.
 
When Benny comes back I’d continue to roll with the lineup that started last night to begin the game. Benny needs to earn that time back.
 
I wouldn't throw out the idea of Judah, JJ, Benny, Mcleod and Quadir/Brown starting early on(no hard short passes/over the back/stupid fouls).

Then pull the trigger on, Bell+Taylor Cuffe/Quadir all at the same time at under 14-16 with whichever guard appears running the best. We did solid without 3s last game, and at least that way Judah and JJ know what we want to do on offense. Plus Benny/Judah can still pop a 3 look early if the shot clock is late. I don't want to pull Bell out of the starting lineup as he deserves it, but it's nerve-racking and fun to intimidate rather than taking what the defense gives you all the time.
Every player has their good and bad nights. Quadir had a bad one vs St. Rose his line:

4PTS 18 MIN 2/9 FG 0-2 3PT 0-2 FT

Careful what you wish for if he's consistently having bad nights. There's a reason he doesn't start.
 
Considering we saw almost no press during the exhibitions I’m guessing it may not be the most effective tool, at least not now.
Ya, but I’m saying Red may be different, I don’t think he will be as predictable. I don’t believe it’s possible to be as predictable as Jimmy’s teams the last 20 years, it was zone. Sure he’d extend and trap out of it and press in double digit deficits but recent teams, let’s be honest, hasn’t had the athletes to be considered good defensively for years.

To me Coach B had plenty of highly regarded teams in those mid 80’s, full of big, athletic HIGHLY SKILLED players. Penetrating, play making guards who were not great “shooters” but they’d get to the rim and finish. Forwards who again, not great “shooters”, but rebounded, filled the lanes and would finish in transition extremely well. And centers to me has historically been a weakness for Syracuse in my opinion. There were a few over the years, Rony Seikaly, Mr. Conrad McRae, Arinze Onuaku, Jeremy McNeils, Rakeem Christmas….ok maybe we’ve had some decent Centers too. And every team in the 80’s and 90’s could NEVER MAKE FREE THROWS. Those teams played a lot of M2M.

But then he changed, he integrated zone, fell in love with it and let’s be honest had a few defensive dominant teams in that zone, but then Jimmy became so dependent on it and couldn’t recruit those same highly rated classes we had back then, so he recruited to it and refused to come out of it, even after coaches and teams just started shredding it.

I don’t think Red is cut from that cloth, I don’t think he’s going to be the…um stubborn SOB Jimmy was, all due respect. I think if he sees something not working, you’re not only going to see lineup changes but he MAY actually change the game plan within the game changes. I know that sounds crazy after being a fan of SU basketball for so long but I think Red is going to be more aggressive in every way and that’s a great thing.
 
Red is in his first year as HC was at a risk of losing Judah. There happened to be a 5 star guard who he already had a strong relationship with enter the portal. Getting Starling to commit was huge for Red.

The problem is Starling and Judahs games naturally don’t compliment each other. That doesn’t mean it can’t work and they can’t play together for 30mpg. But neither of them are looking to shoot and both aren’t quite sure to do without the ball in their hands.

Red is in a spot where he needs to accumulate as much talent as possible. But it’ll be interesting to see how they make this work. Judah and Joe struggled early but at least was able to get Judah space and draw defenders away from the paint and to thr perimeter. JJ won’t have the same effect on the defense.
 
I should lower my predictions in the iggy thread tbh. Plus the injury(s).
 
No offense taken at all. JJ is a supreme talent. Hope he can develop an outside shot that teams have to respect.

Really liking what Cuffe is showing and how well it balances either Judah or JJ. Red has some tremendously difficult decisions to make in terms of balancing offense and defense and outside shooting.
It is a nice problem to have, but JJ starts. Right now team glaring weakness is shooting g threes but I think teams will need to back off Judah and JJ and I think they will hit enough threes to keep things interesting.
 
No, I disagree. I want to see Judah & JJ to start, then Cuffe for JJ, and then JJ for Judah.

That way, each gets their time as the alpha on the drive to the rim, and they won't be competing for the same shot.

Then play who is giving you what you need.
You say you disagree, but then you describe in more detail pretty much what I said.

I said they'll play together because both are too good to not play at least 20 min each (I expect more like 30).

Then I said at least one of them should be on the floor at all times, which sounds like what you describe with your substitutions.

Are you saying you don't want both on the floor in crunch time?
 
The only difference is that he was allegedly a good shooter before Brey messed him up.

I don't know what Brey did to him, but that was butt ugly.
 
You say you disagree, but then you describe in more detail pretty much what I said.

I said they'll play together because both are too good to not play at least 20 min each (I expect more like 30).

Then I said at least one of them should be on the floor at all times, which sounds like what you describe with your substitutions.

Are you saying you don't want both on the floor in crunch time?

You said they have to be on the floor together. I said they both have to start, but after that you rotate Cuffe, and JJ is the first one out, most times. Judah is the star of this team, not JJ.
 

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