Through 18 Starts

[GoSU96]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

 

[Cuse12]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

First look at the difference in yards. Next these don’t show the missed reads, throwing the ball away and not even attempting a 50/50 ball, etc. Lastly, we are in devitos 5th year. The other guys were I believe sophomores? 2-3 years max in program. Devito is at year 5

 

[GoSU96]

First look at the difference in yards. Next these don’t show the missed reads, throwing the ball away and not even attempting a 50/50 ball, etc. Lastly, we are in devitos 5th year. The other guys were I believe sophomores? 2-3 years max in program. Devito is at year 5

I didn’t include the other two first full years starting, I used Nassib’s jr and Sr years, Dungey’s soph and jr.

you want and explanation on yds, it’s pretty simple look at the attempts

 

[sufandu]

First look at the difference in yards. Next these don’t show the missed reads, throwing the ball away and not even attempting a 50/50 ball, etc. Lastly, we are in devitos 5th year. The other guys were I believe sophomores? 2-3 years max in program. Devito is at year 5

The numbers he used for Nassib were redshirt Junior and Senior. Dungey was Sophomore and Junior.

Having said that, numbers don't tell the whole story. Every offense we've had before Dinos was not designed to put up video game numbers. Dungey's passing stats fall way short of showing what he did on the field.

Look at McNabb's senior numbers versus a number of other QBs in '98. If you go by numbers alone, he is no where near the #2 overall pick when compared to other players in his class.

 

[TheCusian]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

I've done this evaluation too. He's basically inline with the other two, sans their senior years. I don't buy the "he's in year x" argument. It's starts.

I'd also throw in the OL during their tenures. All not elite - but 2019 and 2020 were epically bad. Still time this year for him.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

I never question your stats, Go. However, I think that these guys were all different types of QB's and any analysis that doesn't include Dungey's 2000-ish rushing yards for his career is one that isn't looking at the entirety of what he brought to the position.

 

[SUforme]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

Cool show me the winning plays TD has had vs. Dungey.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What's awkward about this is Tommy was supposed to be the guy throwing the ball all over the field, and instead he's the guy with the least amount of pass attempts by a mile.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Nassib then went 6-1 and Dungey 10-3. Most people don't think we go 5-5 the rest of this year.

Even using your weird selection of games, Tommy has the worst Completion%, YPA, and TD% (when you take into account Dungey ran it himself). So Tommy at QB passes it worse and produces less points.

 

[Cuse'91]

I guess the stats definitively prove Devito is just as good a qb as Nassib and Dungey. The End.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Of our Top 20 all time leaders in yards passing, 9 have better QB ratings than Tommy. Another 6 have significantly better rushing stats. So only Perry Patterson, Todd Norley, Andrew Robinson, and Zack Mahoney were worse QBs statistically.

 

[GoSU96]

What's awkward about this is Tommy was supposed to be the guy throwing the ball all over the field, and instead he's the guy with the least amount of pass attempts by a mile.

somebody gets it.

the question is why has Dino radically changed his approach?

 

[syrBossHogg]

What's awkward about this is Tommy was supposed to be the guy throwing the ball all over the field, and instead he's the guy with the least amount of pass attempts by a mile.

And those numbers clearly show TD needs to make a bigger leap than what Nassib and Dungey did after those starts, which at this point I don't think is happening

 

[SUforme]

And those numbers clearly show TD needs to make a bigger leap than what Nassib and Dungey did after those starts, which at this point I don't think is happening

He's in year 5 it isn't happening.

 

[sufandu]

What's awkward about this is Tommy was supposed to be the guy throwing the ball all over the field, and instead he's the guy with the least amount of pass attempts by a mile.

Exactly. There are two QBs on the list that have run the same offense. One is a running QB that had less than ideal throwing mechanics and arm strength. The other came in with a reputation for elite "arm talent." One of them should be expected to blow the other out of the water based on those descriptions. The fact that the numbers are close may indicate something.

 

[sufandu]

somebody gets it.

the question is why has Dino radically changed his approach?

Trust?

 

[storange]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

Really, your going to compare him to Dungy without rushing stats. Your searching and picking out stats to make TD look favorable. Dungy s rushing and ability to turn bad plays into positives was his greatest skill.

 

[Finwad32]

Tough to get passing attempts when you’re not on the field. Because you don’t sustain drives. The radical change to PA is because we’re running about 30 less plays per game. Which is bc we slowed it down to keep teams from scoring 96ppg against us. Because we didn’t get touchdowns, or first downs.

 

[baggerbob]

Really, your going to compare him to Dungy without rushing stats. Your searching and picking out stats to make TD look favorable. Dungy s rushing and ability to turn bad plays into positives was his greatest skill.

And all the Toundowns that Eric added to the scoreboard by his rushing Touchdowns. The game is played by total points scored both passing and rushing. Without adding the rushing touchdowns, your comparison is meaningless.

 

[syrBossHogg]

He's in year 5 it isn't happening.

I just said that

 

[texascpa]

First look at the difference in yards. Next these don’t show the missed reads, throwing the ball away and not even attempting a 50/50 ball, etc. Lastly, we are in devitos 5th year. The other guys were I believe sophomores? 2-3 years max in program. Devito is at year 5

I've always hated yards as a barometer of a QB. Most yards are a result of yards after catch, and that's on the WR's ability to run, juke, fight off tacklers more than it is a QB throw.

 

[tep624]

You're really going to do a QB comparison involving Dungey and not include this:

Cool. Let's do an all time NFL RB Comparison involving LaDainian Tomlinson and leave out his receiving stats while we're at it too. I love selective comparisons.

 

[Cuse69]

Devito is a decent stats QB, watch the actual games and you see how bad he is. His 2019 stats are decent yet the offense that year could not move the ball, I'd like to know how much of TD's stats came on 50+ yard chucks or when the game had already well been decided. TD doesn't take risks and in his 3 years as a starter the offense has been horrendous. Just take the Rutgers game and his decision making on the final drive, all safe short throws he get's his stats yet when you actually watch the game you know what he is.

 

[tep624]

I've done this evaluation too. He's basically inline with the other two, sans their senior years. I don't buy the "he's in year x" argument. It's starts.

I'd also throw in the OL during their tenures. All not elite - but 2019 and 2020 were epically bad. Still time this year for him.

TD has definitely had the worst OL's. Nassib's 2012 line and Dungey's 2018 line were two of our best over the past 10-15 years.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

TD has definitely had the worst OL's. Nassib's 2012 line and Dungey's 2018 line were two of our best over the past 10-15 years.

The 2010 OL was pretty bad (not in stats above). As were the 2016-17 OLs. Less than half of the 2012 games are in the above stats.