Through 18 Starts

[Shoym]

In 2019 26.6% of his yards came when we were down by 15 points or more. 48.7% came down 8 or more. 58.6% when losing. And that isn’t taking out the non P5 games which make it even worse.

That's a hell of a stat. In all sincerity, where the heck does one get THAT info?

 

[Millhouse]

What's awkward about this is Tommy was supposed to be the guy throwing the ball all over the field, and instead he's the guy with the least amount of pass attempts by a mile.

112th last year in tackles for loss allowed, 125th the year before

there are no good stats for sacks that are the qbs fault but we all know that's the problem so it's just so goofy only look at numbers for passes where he pulls the trigger. selection bias.

 

[TheCusian]

dungey and nassib beat ranked teams in all 4 of those years being compared to.

what is devito’s best win?

That’s fair, though I tend to consider wins team stats

 

[dollarbill44]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

Guys who could complete slant passes for yardage and weren't afraid to pull the string. Nassib was competent at throwing to many different parts of the field. Dungey could keep plays alive and hit the open guys downfield when the pass protection failed. So, yeah, they threw more INTs , but they threw a lot more TDs and for a LOT more yardage.

 

[orangenauburn]

Or nassib ( hello Missouri)

Or USF. Twice. Including 98 yard drive. I couldn't even imagine this team doing a drive that long.

Syracuse Orange makes statement with 13-9 win at South Florida

98-yard second-half touchdown drive keys win; SU now 4-1

www.syracuse.com

Nassib answers call in thrilling victory at USF

The Syracuse Orange defeated the South Florida Bulls, 37-36, in thrilling come-from-behind fashion on Saturday. The victory was sparked by a stellar second-half performance from senior quarterback Ryan Nassib.

newyork.sbnation.com

 

[kcsu]

Tommy isnt a gammer, doesn't have a pocket presence, lacks vision and most of all isnt a winner.
Bottom line is that Eric, Ryan, DMac, Donnie, Marvin, Philcox, Hurley anyone of those QBs if they had been the only player added to last weeks SU roster would have won the rutgers games by 2 touchdowns or more.
EXACT same team. Exact same play calls. Nothing different other than substitute anyone of those players for Tommy and Shrader and SU wins the game hands down.

Forget statistics. If you have ever played football at a competitive level you know that the QB is the most important position on the team. A good QB wont cut it at SU. A poor QB is a disaster. An above average QB gets us 6-7 wins.
Great QBs like those listed above win 2-3 games a year by themselves. They WILL a team to win. They make the entire team better by their play, their leadership, their moxi and desire. They are the difference between 10-1 and 4-7 .
Tommy doesn’t have it. Never has and Never will. He isnt leading anything or anyone to greatness. He is by all accounts a great kid. That doesn't make him a great QB a great leader.
He just doesn’t have it and all of the special training, special camps, qb coaches, and supposed training geniuses are not going to change it.
Hes a good dog, cant hunt.

 

[SUskibum]

TD has definitely had the worst OL's. Nassib's 2012 line and Dungey's 2018 line were two of our best over the past 10-15 years.

Harris would be the third best wr on those teams also

 

[kcsu]

Doesn't Tommy have the worst winning percentage of any starting QB?

 

[Newhouser]

So the debate is TD is better or as good as Nassib or Eric D? Seriously that is, like, a stance on this board?

 

[elimunelson]

So the debate is TD is better or as good as Nassib or Eric D? Seriously that is, like, a stance on this board?

yeah that’s where we are at.

I think Devito in historical perspective I put closer to Andrew Robinson, RJ Anderson vs Nassib or Dungey.

time to switch the script and carry them to a bowl still.

 

[GoSU96]

Guys who could complete slant passes for yardage and weren't afraid to pull the string. Nassib was competent at throwing to many different parts of the field.

did you watch the game last week? Because that’s what Devito did.

 

[sufandu]

Over all of Tommy’s starts during this stretch what is his best win?

5-7 Duke in 2019? 3-7 Georgia Tech in 2020?

Nassib beat ranked #10 Louisville and #11 WVU.

Dungey beat #17 Virginia Tech in 2016 and #1 Clemson in 2017.

You’ve done a great job showing stats can be manipulated.

I'm in agreement that comparing the numbers of these QBs is silly. To be completely fair, however, we have to point out that Nassib had consistently superior olines and running games.

 

[kcsu]

did you watch the game last week? Because that’s what Devito did.

To be fair to Tommy i thought that the timing on pulling him for Sharder was terrible for both players. Tommy was starting to play well and he gets pulled. Shrader is put in with terrible field position. Everyone i was sitting with was scratching their heads. Almost as bad as the punter and punt decisions

 

[TheCusian]

So the debate is TD is better or as good as Nassib or Eric D? Seriously that is, like, a stance on this board?

No. The stance is that folks have forgotten how inconsistent those guys were prior to their SR years, while shortchanging DeVito because people didn’t like his Dad or don’t understand OL play

There’s a mountain of stuff to criticize all of those guys for but to their credit they really killed it in their final years on the hill, went out on big bowl wins over a rival so peace was restored to the universe

It’s a constant battle to see all of them in a fair, honest way. Losing tends to cloud fans judgements and screech for a replacement

 

[elimunelson]

No. The stance is that folks have forgotten how inconsistent those guys were prior to their SR years, while shortchanging DeVito because people didn’t like his Dad or don’t understand OL play

There’s a mountain of stuff to criticize all of those guys for but to their credit they really killed it in their final years on the hill, went out on big bowl wins over a rival so peace was restored to the universe

It’s a constant battle to see all of them in a fair, honest way. Losing tends to cloud fans judgements and screech for a replacement

Yes agree w this. Final assessment on TD is nov/dec this year. If Dino pulls plug sooner than TD is in the bust qb list than the guys who stepped up

 

[HRE Otto IV]

No. The stance is that folks have forgotten how inconsistent those guys were prior to their SR years, while shortchanging DeVito because people didn’t like his Dad or don’t understand OL play

There’s a mountain of stuff to criticize all of those guys for but to their credit they really killed it in their final years on the hill, went out on big bowl wins over a rival so peace was restored to the universe

It’s a constant battle to see all of them in a fair, honest way. Losing tends to cloud fans judgements and screech for a replacement

I was Tommy was inconsistent. We get the same Tommy each game.

 

[dollarbill44]

did you watch the game last week? Because that’s what Devito did.

I was at the game. I saw a small sample of short slants, many unsuccessful and a bunch of dump offs. He threw two nice deep balls, I give him that. I didn't think he was bad last week, just meh. It was kind of typical TD game, where he had some moments where you think if he could just do this more often, we might have something, but something usually goes wrong to wipe the drive and then the next couple of series are What moments.
I bought the hype when TD committed and after the UNC game, I was all in on TD leading us to ACC championship games. I was still high on him after the ND mess in 2018, thinking that if his perfect first pass in that game wasn't dropped, that it would have been a completely different outcome (yes, I get delusional when it comes to my teams). I don't know where things went awry, and it's not all on TD, his supporting cast has been less than ideal. At the same time, I look around at other peer programs and see that they have more success with less. I want a qb who takes charge of a team and picks them up at various times and wills them to a win. TD hasn't done that really since 2018. I think a great deal of the blame falls on the coaching staff and their failure to get the offense clicking. At the same time, I don't get the feeling the offense has confidence in TD, or anyone for that matter.
But, if you're making the argument that Tommy is interchangeable with Nassib and Dungey, I disagree.

 

[dollarbill44]

No. The stance is that folks have forgotten how inconsistent those guys were prior to their SR years, while shortchanging DeVito because people didn’t like his Dad or don’t understand OL play

There’s a mountain of stuff to criticize all of those guys for but to their credit they really killed it in their final years on the hill, went out on big bowl wins over a rival so peace was restored to the universe

It’s a constant battle to see all of them in a fair, honest way. Losing tends to cloud fans judgements and screech for a replacement

I agree with a lot of what you say, but let's also not forget that TD is in his 5th season at SU. How many years before things click?

 

[TheCusian]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but let's also not forget that TD is in his 5th season at SU. How many years before things click?

I think going by starts is a better way to think about it. It’s not his fault there was a great player ahead of him. But, I do think he’s been meh most of his time here. Needs to show up.

 

[Cuse1985]

I think going by starts is a better way to think about it. It’s not his fault there was a great player ahead of him. But, I do think he’s been meh most of his time here. Needs to show up.

He didnt learn anything from that great player and still hasnt developed at all from what we have seen every season. This is the issue. Nassib got better, Dungey got better, TD no improvement

 

[dasher]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

The numbers are interesting. But you saw Nassib and Dungey play. Do you think Devito is playing at their level?

 

[OrangeDW]

Here is a comparison of 18 starts between Nassib, Dungey, and Devito

For Nassib I used 2011 and the first six games of 2012. Reasoning it was to give him another year post Robinson.

For Dungey I used his first two years under Dino. He started nine games each year.

For Devito it encompasses all 18 starts to date.

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If Devito is a horrible FCS level qb, what are those other two?

Devito’s numbers probably look good compared to Marvin Graves too.

Which tells you all you need to know about merely comparing some numbers for guys who played in entirely different eras, in different offenses, for different coaches.

Nassib was ok for two years, and then exploded as a senior.

Dungey was a very good player from day 1, but injury prone due to reckless style.

 

[samspann1]

So the debate is TD is better or as good as Nassib or Eric D? Seriously that is, like, a stance on this board?

Only for those with agendas.