Tim Lester's Comments

[Millhouse]

The Browns are much improved.

They could have one more win very easily.

The OL has played well.

And, by the way, I noted that during his interview with Axe, Tim Lester indicated that he envisions an SU offense that is "50-50" run/pass and that has as its base, a strong running attack.

That sounds an awful lot like the DeLeone approach.

Option, misdirection, play action, big, vertical passing.

That's what I would like to see.

their approach was 50-50 run pass yards, not run pass attempts

big big difference.

in 1992, they were 68% run

1996, 70% run

you guys see Deleone everywhere

 

[cuseincincy]

Do you have children? I am asking for a reason but your answer is irrelevant for conversation.

I have 3 of them and they range in age. I am also not that old and I yell out the wrong name all the time, more so when I am upset.

So, I am fairly certain I know my children's names and have for almost 21 years now but I still get PO'd and call them the wrong names. I also have 3 brothers an my mother did the same thing as do most parents.

Same thing happens all the time with a lot of things. He has called his own system for around 7 years as I recall the article stating and I am certain will get terminology mixed up when calling plays from someone else's system. Especially with something as complicated as a D1 offense.

Whether you choose to agree with me or not doesn't matter. I agree he will be fine as well and am thinking it will be a huge upgrade from McF*** It. I think he will read defenses better for One.

I do have a couple. Never call them by the others name. Now I do call them by my brothers' names and even sometimes by the dog's name. But never by the others name.

 

[rrlbees]

their approach was 50-50 run pass yards, not run pass attempts big big difference. in 1992, they were 68% run 1996, 70% run you guys see Deleone everywhere

Yep, an SU coach once told me that their goal was 200 yards rushing, 200 yards passing. Not 50/50 on plays run.

 

[sufandu]

The Browns are much improved.

They could have one more win very easily.

The OL has played well.

And, by the way, I noted that during his interview with Axe, Tim Lester indicated that he envisions an SU offense that is "50-50" run/pass and that has as its base, a strong running attack.

That sounds an awful lot like the DeLeone approach.

Option, misdirection, play action, big, vertical passing.

That's what I would like to see.

50-50 isn't just a Deleone approach, it's the approach many coaches take. Additionally, there are many ways to skin a cat. You can run out of the spread, as Millhouse has stated too many times.

Deleone is a great o-line coach and, at one time, was a good OC. What he did in the 80-90's was innovative at the time, but that was literally decades ago. The spread has proven to be quite explosive, whether run based or pass based, with teams dwarfing the offensive numbers we put up in '98 with the best offense we ever had.

 

[Millhouse]

Yep, an SU coach once told me that their goal was 200 yards rushing, 200 yards passing. Not 50/50 on plays run.

they told everyone in the newspaper

 

[TheCusian]

do you know how to do your job?? our OC doesnt know how to do his. the plays confuse him. how do i get rid of this pesky knowing the plays thingy??...

You've leaped way too far on this. I have no proof - but do you think that this never happens!?!? A guy calls out the wrong terminology?

I'd bet it happens on all levels of football at least once a game.

 

[AZOrange]

good lord did that jump out at me!!! i couldnt even finish reading all the comments. as soon as i saw you post this, i had to jump in. just What has he been doing the last 2 years?? hes coaching the Fn QBs!!! you have to know the O inside and out!!!

If this week taught us Anything it's that out next batch of coaches need brains. It's a must. Enough dummies...

 

[Millhouse]

50-50 isn't just a Deleone approach, it's the approach many coaches take. Additionally, there are many ways to skin a cat. You can run out of the spread, as Millhouse has stated too many times.

Deleone is a great o-line coach and, at one time, was a good OC. What he did in the 80-90's was innovative at the time, but that was literally decades ago. The spread has proven to be quite explosive, whether run based or pass based, with teams dwarfing the offensive numbers we put up in '98 with the best offense we ever had.

it's a dumb goal. it's one thing to expect it to work out that way (that might be what lester's saying) but if teams give you easy passes all day, don't worry about proportion of passes

 

[sufandu]

it's a dumb goal. it's one thing to expect it to work out that way (that might be what lester's saying) but if teams give you easy passes all day, don't worry about proportion of passes

Yeah, I think when most coaches say it, they're meaning they want the ability to pass or run with equal effectiveness so that they can take what the defense gives them, and it'll even out in the end. At least I hope that's what they mean.

 

[OrangePA]

their approach was 50-50 run pass yards, not run pass attempts

big big difference.

in 1992, they were 68% run

1996, 70% run

you guys see Deleone everywhere

I do see him all over the Syracuse University Record Books.

Starting with the 1987 season when his offense led us to an 11-0 regular season and Sugar Bowl.

His Pro Option offense established the greatest run in SU Football history so, yes, he is a significant figure in our history and was the precursor to the read option that we see all over college football.

 

[Chip]

Yep, an SU coach once told me that their goal was 200 yards rushing, 200 yards passing. Not 50/50 on plays run.

In 2014, 200 yards passing and 200 yards rushing would put you 82nd in FBS in total offense.

That's not a knock on Deleone, just how different the times are.

 

[OrangePA]

Yep, an SU coach once told me that their goal was 200 yards rushing, 200 yards passing. Not 50/50 on plays run.

I guess you're being a bit more literal than I.

The concept I think is offensive balance between running the ball and throwing the ball.

Clearly Lester has an approach that stresses the run. Perhaps more so than McDonald.

I suspect that he was talking about 50-50 in terms of production though I do not know for certain.

 

[OrangePA]

In 2014, 200 yards passing and 200 yards rushing would put you 82nd in FBS in total offense.

That's not a knock on Deleone, just how different the times are.

The rules are different now.

Perhaps the goal would be 250-250.

The essence of the approach was balance.

 

[rrlbees]

In 2014, 200 yards passing and 200 yards rushing would put you 82nd in FBS in total offense. That's not a knock on Deleone, just how different the times are.

No doubt.

 

[OrangePA]

it's a dumb goal. it's one thing to expect it to work out that way (that might be what lester's saying) but if teams give you easy passes all day, don't worry about proportion of passes

I think the idea again is balance and the ability to do both.

I'm pretty sure that most coaches try to take what the defense gives.

 

[Chip]

The rules are different now.

Perhaps the goal would be 250-250.

The essence of the approach was balance.

I understand that. And I'm sure they would have adjusted their goals accordingly based on the rules, more speed in the game, etc. I was just pointing out that 400 yards used to be a reasonable goal in college football, now it's well below average. It all happened pretty quickly.

I do think McDonald strived for balance. We ran the ball quite a bit, and he does consider the bubble screen to essentially be a running play. When he spoke, he always mentioned that we were going to be a team that could run the ball first. I think he pretty much abandoned that for the Louisville game before it even started. One thing I did always like against Deleone, he rarely let the opponents performance or reputation dictate what he was going to do in the Dome. Random example, but experts said in 1994 you can't run against that VT 8 man front. We did, and did it well that day. I think McDonald decided before the game that Louisville couldn't be run on.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

And, by the way, I noted that during his interview with Axe, Tim Lester indicated that he envisions an SU offense that is "50-50" run/pass and that has as its base, a strong running attack.

I am just so confused. We are the only P5 team that plays in a Dome. There has to be somebody out there salivating at the chance to run a pass based offense in that environment.

When baseball teams have a short porch in one of the fields they get hitters that can pull the ball to that side. When basketball teams play their home games at higher elevations they look to fast break. NFL teams that play in controlled conditions prioritize the passing game (everyone prioritizes the passing game in the pros, but still).

For some reason, we are so special that people look at where we play and say "*** it. Power run."

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[TheCusian]

I loved Lester's take. He said you game plan to the defenses weakness and then you play calls based on what's working and where your advantage lies. If you need to pass 100 times you do it. If you need to run 100 times you do that.

 

[sufandu]

I am just so confused. We are the only P5 team that plays in a Dome. There has to be somebody out there salivating at the chance to run a pass based offense in that environment.

When baseball teams have a short porch in one of the fields they get hitters that can pull the ball to that side. When basketball teams play their home games at higher elevations they look to fast break. NFL teams that play in controlled conditions prioritize the passing game (everyone prioritizes the passing game in the pros, but still).

For some reason, we are so special that people look at where we play and say "*** it. Power run."

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I don't. I want a balanced offense. I want to be able to pass when it's appropriate and cram it down the other teams throat between the tackles when appropriate. I don't think we build our teams just for the Dome. Half of our games are played elsewhere.

 

[Millhouse]

I do see him all over the Syracuse University Record Books.

Starting with the 1987 season when his offense led us to an 11-0 regular season and Sugar Bowl.

His Pro Option offense established the greatest run in SU Football history so, yes, he is a significant figure in our history and was the precursor to the read option that we see all over college football.

according to the board, every single good offense in college football has its roots with deleone. he's the chuck berry of football

his offenses weren't 50 50. some of them were good. i wasn't even criticizing him. i picked 92 and 96 for a reason, they were good. d's biggest fans should know what he actually tried to do here

 

[Millhouse]

The rules are different now.

Perhaps the goal would be 250-250.

The essence of the approach was balance.

if your yards per pass is the same as your yards per rush attempt you are going to be real bad. balance in yards has to mean you run more if you're any good at all

the goal should be to maximize yards per play. running teams might have to pass to do it, passing teams might have to run to do it, but that's what you try to solve for

 

[Millhouse]

I don't. I want a balanced offense. I want to be able to pass when it's appropriate and cram it down the other teams throat between the tackles when appropriate. I don't think we build our teams just for the Dome. Half of our games are played elsewhere.

unfortunately we have to factor in NYC but good programs play more than half at home. the cupcakes play lots of road games for the money

we're playing teams in florida, georgia, and north carolina all the time too

 

[KaiserUEO]

You've leaped way too far on this. I have no proof - but do you think that this never happens!?!? A guy calls out the wrong terminology?

I'd bet it happens on all levels of football at least once a game.

i bet that if it happens on all levels of football at least once a game...it never happens again or the guy gets fired.

id also be EXTREMELY surpised if it happens in D1 football...at all levels...FCS and non-P5 being the ones where it may happen, but id bet rarely.

and no way in GD hell is the OC blabbing that point to the press.

what a Fn maroon.

seriously, why is he telling us this??

so when it happens and he costs the stupidblue a game and/or a bowl eligibility he can go...'why are you all surprised at this? i already told you i dont understand the playbook. forget it and move on.'

 

[TheCusian]

i bet that if it happens on all levels of football at least once a game...it never happens again or the guy gets fired.

id also be EXTREMELY surpised if it happens in D1 football...at all levels...FCS and non-P5 being the ones where it may happen, but id bet rarely.

and no way in GD hell is the OC blabbing that point to the press.

what a Fn maroon.

seriously, why is he telling us this??

so when it happens and he costs the stupidblue a game and/or a bowl eligibility he can go...'why are you all surprised at this? i already told you i dont understand the playbook. forget it and move on.'

I think you're holding these guys on too high a pedestal - mistakes happen all over the place for all teams. Even Manning gets it wrong from time to time (Peyton - not Eli - he's good for 3-5 a game amiright?) ...

I agree that he needs to not share that to the media - but the guy is so open and honest. Man, it's refreshing. He'll learn to be a media-coach-auto-tron quickly. Wouldn't want fans to get the wrong idea and think they are infallible

 

[SUbear]

I am

good lord did that jump out at me!!!

i couldnt even finish reading all the comments. as soon as i saw you post this, i had to jump in.

just What has he been doing the last 2 years??

hes coaching the Fn QBs!!! you have to know the O inside and out!!!

I am sure he knows them, but a good OC must be able to always have the second and third play in mind situationally so he can rapidly call each succeeding play. That is unfortunately what McD could not do. Doing that requires knowing your offensive options on a reaction level so you do not really have to think about those options on the conscious level.
This is a big factor in getting good to great OC rather than just someone who can call in plays, heck anyone can call in one play at a time without having a correographed offense, but that makes for a lousy OC.