Tired of All the Red Bashing...

[Ozone!]

Imagining our team should be better than it is is a common practice for fans and I get that and part of that equation is coaching. I get that and agree that it should be an important aspect of the discussion.
For me, I am looking for improvement throught the season.​

That’s what I am seeing this season and , for me, it’s way too early to be calling for a coaching replacement! Let’s cut Coach Autry and staff a break!

 

[pwong]

Imagining our team should be better than it is is a common practice for fans and I get that and part of that equation is coaching. I get that and agree that it should be an important aspect of the discussion.​

For me, I am looking for improvement throught the season.​

That’s what I am seeing this season and , for me, it’s way too early to be calling for a coaching replacement! Let’s cut Coach Autry and staff a break!

People can’t criticize the coach when the team is one of the worst HM teams currently?

 

[Ozone!]

People can’t criticize the coach when the team is one of the worst HM teams currently?

Did I say that?

 

[Sherman20]

Well, it's put up or shut time, these next few games.

We will be underdogs against Georgetown and Maryland, most likely.

We have to win at least one, and ideally both.

Of course we should beat Bucknell, who are 4-7.

Wake is 8-3, but has lost to anybody they played who's any good.

Similarly, Florida State is next, but they have lost to the good teams they've played.

Then, it's Georgia Tech and Boston College, both of whom are terrible.

We need to win 5 out of 7 of these games between now and January 7th. This is probably our easiest remaining stretch of the season.

Agreed. Fortunately the easier part of the schedule is coming when Starling is out. Still, I wish we had him for this stretch to try and get some momentum.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Agreed. Fortunately the easier part of the schedule is coming when Starling is out. Still, I wish we had him for this stretch to try and get some momentum.

There was a year, I think it was 1998-99. Etan Thomas got hurt early in the season, and all these other guys had to step up in terms of rebounding and defense. It was during this stretch, as I recall, that Ryan Blackwell really emerged as a leader on the team. And then when Etan came back, we were a much better team because other guys had to take on new responsibilities in his absence.

The following year they were one of my most underrated SU teams. They lost to Michigan State in the Sweet 16 after leading by around 15 points. If I'm remembering correctly that was the Mateen Cleeves team who wound up winning the championship for Izzo that year. We were playing at that kind of level. That team could have won it. Kind of like how we lost to eventual champion Arkansas in '95 when Moten called the phantom time out.

 

[23Zone]

If we get wrecked by the hoyas today the red bashing will be increased by 10-fold so prepare yourselves. Hopefully we crush them but seeing as how we have not beaten a single good team yet this year I am not at all optimistic

 

[23Zone]

There was a year, I think it was 1998-99. Etan Thomas got hurt early in the season, and all these other guys had to step up in terms of rebounding and defense. It was during this stretch, as I recall, that Ryan Blackwell really emerged as a leader on the team. And then when Etan came back, we were a much better team because other guys had to take on new responsibilities in his absence.

The following year they were one of my most underrated SU teams. They lost to Michigan State in the Sweet 16 after leading by around 15 points. If I'm remembering correctly that was the Mateen Cleeves team who wound up winning the championship for Izzo that year. We were playing at that kind of level. That team could have won it. Kind of like how we lost to eventual champion Arkansas in '95 when Moten called the phantom time out.

Sadly I don't think it was a phantom time out if my memory serves me correctly. I think it was a brain fart lol

 

[IthacaMatt]

Sadly I don't think it was a phantom time out if my memory serves me correctly. I think it was a brain fart lol

I was being kind, since he's a legend. He called a timeout we didn't have to save the ball from going out of bounds. And to think that some people accused him of throwing the game afterwards. Just shameful. Moten is the one, along with John Wallace, who got us through the first probation.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Wrong thread.

 

[MikeSU02]

There was a year, I think it was 1998-99. Etan Thomas got hurt early in the season, and all these other guys had to step up in terms of rebounding and defense. It was during this stretch, as I recall, that Ryan Blackwell really emerged as a leader on the team. And then when Etan came back, we were a much better team because other guys had to take on new responsibilities in his absence.

The following year they were one of my most underrated SU teams. They lost to Michigan State in the Sweet 16 after leading by around 15 points. If I'm remembering correctly that was the Mateen Cleeves team who wound up winning the championship for Izzo that year. We were playing at that kind of level. That team could have won it. Kind of like how we lost to eventual champion Arkansas in '95 when Moten called the phantom time out.

My frosh year. Eric Williams was originally plying before Damone eventually took over his spot.

Won Maui.

Lost to stupid Okie St in the 8/9 with Gottlieb.

That next year we were awesome. Should have beat MSU.

If KMart never gets hurt, Cincy prob walks to the chip with that team they had, but we would have been the best equipped to beat them.

 

[CLTCuse]

I loved Red as a player, By all accounts he is a great guy. But it is apparent he is not a good coach. Can’t beat a bad Georgetown team at home with a +18 FTA advantage.

The sooner he is gone the better, I’m scared to think how much damage another year of this will do.

 

[RyanCuse44]

I loved Red as a player, By all accounts he is a great guy. But it is apparent he is not a good coach. Can’t beat a bad Georgetown team at home with a +18 FTA advantage.

The sooner he is gone the better, I’m scared to think how much damage another year of this will do.

and once again not getting Lampkin out of the game a lot earlier was the downfall of this game. Syracuse should demand his helecat and money back. Dude can't play any D.

 

[PauliePeppas]

He stinks, blow it up before this program becomes non existent even more

 

[Cusefan0307]

What a joke. We are the worst power team in the country.

 

[rocfan44]

HE NEEDS TO GO!!!! that is all

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

He stinks, blow it up before this program becomes non existent even more

Already there.

Can't even botch the next hire no matter how bad it is bc worst case scenario is this.

 

[kingtidge]

Already there.

Can't even botch the next hire no matter how bad it is bc worst case scenario is this.

Does he get another season of we don't win another game this season?

 

[Fanalways]

I’m sure Autry is a nice guy but that doesn’t make him a good coach. He is in over his head and I don’t see us winning any more games this season.

 

[Sherman20]

I loved Red as a player, By all accounts he is a great guy. But it is apparent he is not a good coach. Can’t beat a bad Georgetown team at home with a +18 FTA advantage.

The sooner he is gone the better, I’m scared to think how much damage another year of this will do.

Red fixes one mistake (sticking with a lineup that’s working and not automatically subbing in guys) but then makes new ones. Even though that long 2nd lineup worked to increase defensive intensity and start the comeback and grab us the lead, you do have to eventually sub in one or two players. When we stagnated 2 times in a row on offense with a six point lead, it was time to put Freeman back in. Davis was playing well, but Freeman could have come in for Taylor or even Lampkin. I get that Freeman is a poor defender but he’s possibly our best scorer and one of our best rebounders. You gotta put him back in as soon as the offense started to stagnate after the run. Red hesitates too much. Also, how about calling a time out and making sure the guys are running set plays on those possessions to isolate Lampkin or Davis on the block or wing?
Some other issues:
1.) Red looks frustrated on the sidelines. At the end of the game, you need to project energy and confidence to your team. He’s not doing that. How did he not learn this lesson from JB? Every Cuse fan understood that about JB and that it worked. JB would yell at guys for mistakes but then would quickly refocus them onto the next possession and project calm and confidence.
2.) Red’s still figuring out substitutions and lineups that will work and doesn’t always seem to have a feel for what works.
3.) He does seem to be making some adjustments. Finally starting Choppa, which everyone had been calling for after the Cornell and Tennessee games.
4.) another JB philosophy: Sometimes you do have to give up defensive lineup advantages for offense. Taylor is our best defender and he needs to play. But he gives us very little on offense right now. When we stagnated a few possessions in a row, he needed to take Taylor out of the game and put in Donnie to give us an offensive spark.
5.) I get that Bell is struggling with his shot. But why are we not running more actions, flare screens and back screens, to get this guy open looks?! It’s mystifying.

 

[20plus]

I think everybody would agree that he did somewhere between a solid to a very good job last season.

This season's roster is screwed up because we blew the portal. Was that Red's fault ? Can anybody point to some other players in the portal that we could have gotten with our available NIL $$$$ that are doing better ?

Carlos and Lampkin are disappointments compared to our expectations. Taylor is a total bust. Only Davis has shown value in terms of our portal grabs.

We didnt pay up for Leffew who we clearly wanted. We let Brown leave. Team would have been entirely different if we had spent competitively. Same happened the year before when we didnt pay up for Jesse. Is that cheapness on Red ? You think Red didnt see that Brown > Lampkin or Leffew > Carlos ???

This season's mess got compounded with the JJ injury.

So what can we lay on Red ?

In terms of player development - maybe a lack of improvement by Bell is on the Coach. On the plus side - very nice progressions from Freeman and JJ (before he was hurt). Moore is coming along nicely - my biggest gripe with Red is I think Moore should be seen more.

On the recruiting front - Red has been a huge upgrade from what we saw of the last ten or so Jimmy years. Five stars in consecutive classes plus 4 stars Kiyan and Moore. I have a good feeling about the Aussie kid, though it is obviously pre-mature to say he will be the PG answer. We are in the mix for others. I think we have clearly had A level recruiting the last two classes. Only issue will be can we keep these kids for more than one season ??

This team cant shoot. A game with zero threes made in this day and age ???? Poor to erratic FT %. Well, that is at least something that just continues our long tradition.

On D - thank goodness we are basically done with the dino-Zone. I see the D gradually improving, but how good can it get with an undersized PG and a slow center ?

Bottom line - you cant win without talent. We lack even mid-ACC pack level talent, especially without JJ.

Now, if somebody thinks they can hang the portal selections on Red, then criticism is fair. If not, give the man a chance to prove or not prove how good a coach he is when we have a level playing field in terms of talent on the Court.

10 losses last year by 14 points or more with maybe two or three good wins

 

[atlanticuse]

10 losses last year by 14 points or more with maybe two or three good wins

If that’s the standard for “solid to very good” we’re screwed.

 

[AngryOtto]

Red is an alum and is committed to the school unfortunately it is not working out. Everyone wants Red to be successful but is not happening. There have been some glaring coaching mistakes during games. They have been pointed out in multiple threads. He will probably get another years but unfortunately I do not see significant improvement happening. Even with more talent I feel there will continue to be coaching mistakes that cost wins. SU struck gold when Fran fell into their lap. Going to need something similar to happen for basketball. I do not have confidence in the school making sound decisions when it comes to coaching hires for any sport. There have been numerous misses.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Red fixes one mistake (sticking with a lineup that’s working and not automatically subbing in guys) but then makes new ones. Even though that long 2nd lineup worked to increase defensive intensity and start the comeback and grab us the lead, you do have to eventually sub in one or two players. When we stagnated 2 times in a row on offense with a six point lead, it was time to put Freeman back in. Davis was playing well, but Freeman could have come in for Taylor or even Lampkin. I get that Freeman is a poor defender but he’s possibly our best scorer and one of our best rebounders. You gotta put him back in as soon as the offense started to stagnate after the run. Red hesitates too much. Also, how about calling a time out and making sure the guys are running set plays on those possessions to isolate Lampkin or Davis on the block or wing?
Some other issues:
1.) Red looks frustrated on the sidelines. At the end of the game, you need to project energy and confidence to your team. He’s not doing that. How did he not learn this lesson from JB? Every Cuse fan understood that about JB and that it worked. JB would yell at guys for mistakes but then would quickly refocus them onto the next possession and project calm and confidence.
2.) Red’s still figuring out substitutions and lineups that will work and doesn’t always seem to have a feel for what works.
3.) He does seem to be making some adjustments. Finally starting Choppa, which everyone had been calling for after the Cornell and Tennessee games.
4.) another JB philosophy: Sometimes you do have to give up defensive lineup advantages for offense. Taylor is our best defender and he needs to play. But he gives us very little on offense right now. When we stagnated a few possessions in a row, he needed to take Taylor out of the game and put in Donnie to give us an offensive spark.
5.) I get that Bell is struggling with his shot. But why are we not running more actions, flare screens and back screens, to get this guy open looks?! It’s mystifying.

Plays run for Bell are too simplistic. JB did the same things. More weakside actions to screen for the screener. One simple screen will not get good shooters open against good defensive teams.

 

[kcsu]

Lets not forget that Reds mentor HC Jim B couldnt coach the kids on how to inbound the ball at the end of his ride

 

[LAorange44]

Everyone talks about Red’s third year. What’s acceptable? 22 wins? 28 wins? 4 seed or better? What does he need to do to overcome the stink of this season? Being a 20-22 win team and sneaking in on the bubble reeks of a Dino 6-6 special. Frankly, thats not good enough.