Tired of All the Red Bashing...

[djcon57]

What I seem to be reading on this Board are many posters who have already drawn the conclusion that Adrian Autry is a failed HC and should not be retained.

Concur. I think its fair to suggest that the vast majority of posters don't believe Autry is up to par to coach a team at Syracuse's level.

Unless we are all ok with Syracuse's level being a bubble NIT program...then he is.

 

[BomberOrange]

It hasn't been two years.

It has been one decent/good year and 12 games.

Last year wasn't decent or good. It was mediocre.

That's fine. We can agree that you are unwilling to agree to disagree.

Or perhaps we can agree to disagree that you should be willing to agree to disagree.

I'll defer to you on that.

What I seem to be reading on this Board are many posters who have already drawn the conclusion that Adrian Autry is a failed HC and should not be retained.

I don't feel that that conclusion can be reasonably drawn after one year - use whatever adjective suits you - and 12 games.

Like I said, he may end up being a failed HC. I hope that's not the case.

I agree that this year is far too young to draw conclusions at this point. Last year was mediocre. IMHO, if there isn't improvement the rest of the season and we finish below .500, a change needs to be made. There are some good coaches out there, that will get scooped up if we sit around too long and that would be a shame.

 

[MikeSU02]

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

He had three NBA draft picks around him.

I'd argue his best year was actually his sophomore year, (or at least most efficient and, to me, that = the best for most players). This is the year that TCU made him lose 70 pounds before the season. That year was 20-21.

20-21 w/ TCU:
PER: 20.1
BPM: 6.2

22-23 w/ CU:
PER: 16.4
BPM: 2.4

He showed up to Syracuse out of shape and has been injured. That is probably another reason, perhaps. When I saw the team in person and saw that he couldn't walk without a limp, that was a pretty bad sign.

But playing with three NBA draft picks is what the big difference is as well as better coaching. Also, one of those three NBA draft picks is currently in the top 10 for ROY in Tristan de Silva.

 

[phil77]

Nothing to see here all good ...

 

[SUFan44]

Nothing to see here all good ...

Please remove Seton Hall. They are not a high major program in my eyes. C’mon.

 

[IthacaMatt]

That's fine. We can agree that you are unwilling to agree to disagree.

Or perhaps we can agree to disagree that you should be willing to agree to disagree.

I'll defer to you on that.

What I seem to be reading on this Board are many posters who have already drawn the conclusion that Adrian Autry is a failed HC and should not be retained.

I don't feel that that conclusion can be reasonably drawn after one year - use whatever adjective suits you - and 12 games.

Like I said, he may end up being a failed HC. I hope that's not the case.

I appreciate what you're saying, but he has to get to a winning record by the end of January or he's done. Because the schedule only gets harder after that.

 

[Fly Rodder]

He won 20 games after losing Edwards. He did what most on this Board wanted - he moved to a man-to-man defense. He got to the post season.

He did not get to the post-season. He did not win 20 D1 games. The two best players from last season went to the G-League and Duke. He moved to a poor M2M defense that finished 5th last in the ACC by D-rating. Then retained the two worst defenders and inexplicably made them a "centerpiece" of this year's team.

This was supposed to the better team because he had his guys. They're worse. A lot worse.

 

[pwong]

Please remove Seton Hall. They are not a high major program in my eyes. C’mon.

Doesn’t change the fact that 6 of the bottom 10 are ACC schools.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Nothing to see here all good ...

Boy, the shine came off Jerome Tang quick, his teams are getting worse by the year (they also have a better rating than Syracuse this season)

 

[Day2]

He did not get to the post-season. He did not win 20 D1 games. The two best players from last season went to the G-League and Duke. He moved to a poor M2M defense that finished 5th last in the ACC by D-rating. Then retained the two worst defenders and inexplicably made them a "centerpiece" of this year's team.

This was supposed to the better team because he had his guys. They're worse. A lot worse.

He doesn’t have his guys, in a sense. Starling is injured, Lampkin hasn’t been 100% for most of the season, Bell regressed, and Leffew’s at Georgia.

While Red may not be HC material, judging him over factors outside of his control doesn’t seem reasonable IMO.

 

[phil77]

He doesn’t have his guys, in a sense. Starling is injured, Lampkin hasn’t been 100% for most of the season, Bell regressed, and Leffew’s at Georgia.

While Red may not be HC material, judging him over factors outside of his control doesn’t seem reasonable IMO.

Its his program he controls everything.

 

[SUFan44]

He doesn’t have his guys, in a sense. Starling is injured, Lampkin hasn’t been 100% for most of the season, Bell regressed, and Leffew’s at Georgia.

While Red may not be HC material, judging him over factors outside of his control doesn’t seem reasonable IMO.

This argument holds 0.0000% validity.

 

[Bulldog04]

This argument holds 0.0000% validity.

Day2 is absolutely right. If JJ plays there’s 2 more wins. If Chris Bell makes a 3 THIS YEAR (especially against Texas) they win. Dakota committed and backed out. JC was never supposed to be the starting PG. Chance gets mono. Eddie gets hurt in practice. Not sure how ALL OF THAT doesn’t matter. Could the coaching be better ? Of course it always could be. But that’s like saying a football team that loses their starting QB to injury doesn’t matter and it’s the coaches fault. Cmon. Does Red deserve some criticism, absolutely. But there are some serious factors in play here that have derailed the season. And people that say “he put this team together”, yes he did. He put a healthy team together and 3 of the main parts of that plan have been hurt.

There’s a lot of us that truly thought this was going to be a good team. A lot of us. Unfortunately it hasn’t gone the way we thought and of course we all want better

 

[cali315phan]

Tired of the red bashing too. Wish we would just fire him so we could stop bashing him.

 

[Cuse4403]

He doesn’t have his guys, in a sense. Starling is injured, Lampkin hasn’t been 100% for most of the season, Bell regressed, and Leffew’s at Georgia.

While Red may not be HC material, judging him over factors outside of his control doesn’t seem reasonable IMO.

I can see cutting Autry a break on Starling. Maybe Lampkin, but some of that is because he is terribly out of shape. Bell's regression is a big problem in so many ways. Firstly, it's the coaches job to make sure he doesn't regress. Second, seemingly building a roster around a guy who "sometimes" gets hot from three and does nothing else well wasn't a great decision. In this age of college basketball you need a coach that can close the deal on players. Leffew is his fault as well.

With all that being said, even with a lack of talent due to injury or some other unworldly misfortune, we are playing like absolute dog . We are a possession away in three games from being 3-9 with losses to LeMoyne, Colgate, and Youngstown State.

 

[Cuse4403]

Day2 is absolutely right. If JJ plays there’s 2 more wins. If Chris Bell makes a 3 THIS YEAR (especially against Texas) they win. Dakota committed and backed out. JC was never supposed to be the starting PG. Chance gets mono. Eddie gets hurt in practice. Not sure how ALL OF THAT doesn’t matter. Could the coaching be better ? Of course it always could be. But that’s like saying a football team that loses their starting QB to injury doesn’t matter and it’s the coaches fault. Cmon. Does Red deserve some criticism, absolutely. But there are some serious factors in play here that have derailed the season. And people that say “he put this team together”, yes he did. He put a healthy team together and 3 of the main parts of that plan have been hurt.

There’s a lot of us that truly thought this was going to be a good team. A lot of us. Unfortunately it hasn’t gone the way we thought and of course we all want better

JJ played against LeMoyne, Colgate, and Youngstown State (scored 38). We were a possession away from losing all of those games. I am not sure just counting certain games as wins if he played is exactly fair.

 

[Day2]

JJ played against LeMoyne, Colgate, and Youngstown State (scored 38). We were a possession away from losing all of those games. I am not sure just counting certain games as wins if he played is exactly fair.

Did we lose those games? Didn’t everyone say we were going to get smoked by Texas because those games were so close?

Could it be that we played to the level of our competition? And that we had a bunch of guys who had never played together before? Who had never played in the Dome before?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Day2 is absolutely right. If JJ plays there’s 2 more wins. If Chris Bell makes a 3 THIS YEAR (especially against Texas) they win. Dakota committed and backed out. JC was never supposed to be the starting PG. Chance gets mono. Eddie gets hurt in practice. Not sure how ALL OF THAT doesn’t matter. Could the coaching be better ? Of course it always could be. But that’s like saying a football team that loses their starting QB to injury doesn’t matter and it’s the coaches fault. Cmon. Does Red deserve some criticism, absolutely. But there are some serious factors in play here that have derailed the season. And people that say “he put this team together”, yes he did. He put a healthy team together and 3 of the main parts of that plan have been hurt.

There’s a lot of us that truly thought this was going to be a good team. A lot of us. Unfortunately it hasn’t gone the way we thought and of course we all want better

• Relying on Chance to play any kind of role was foolish at best, career killing at worst. He can't even get on the court against Bucknell. He had mono, it's not ALS.
• Chris Bell is not starting D1 wing. He just isn't. He's athletic and can shoot (sometimes), but that's it. He's Mookie Jones who was promised a starting job for as long as he was at Syracuse for some reason. I believe you were the one who posted that Red LOVES CHRIS BELL.

Great article on Bell. Kid is a player and red loves him and thinks he can be nba player. Had dinner with Red a month ago and he was raving about him nonstop about his ability to shoot the ball. Having Judah and Quadir gone too is going to help bell 10x. Lot of the offense is going through Bell this year.

• JJ Starling is an average starting guard who can't shoot and can't play defense. He's a junior.
• Lampkin is out of shape and no different from the average player he was at Colorado: offensively decent, but not a defender.
• Leffew isn't even starting at Georgia. How bad is Red at closing?
• Freeman can play, but doesn't know how to defend at this level.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Every team deals with injuries and not getting the player they hoped and dreamed on. The evaluation of players and expecting them to be something they haven't previously shown is what is glaringly awful in combination with whatever the plan is for the offense and defense.

 

[KevMonstah]

That is some kind of list by Goodman, with 6 of worst 10 being ACC teams. Good look for league.

So, to get the bashing to calm down a bit, all Red needs to do is get the win over Wake by game planning
a way to not let their guy own SU. As in ...

Shrewsbary was the guy for UND, SU let him go for 25ish, on 6-11 from deep.
Epps was the guy for Gtown, SU let him go for 27, on 4-6 from deep.

Sallis is the guy for Wake, shooting 27% from deep. DO NOT LET HIM GO OFF.

That would show some coaching ability.

Kev

 

[djcon57]

Bell's regression is a big problem in so many ways. Firstly, it's the coaches job to make sure he doesn't regress. Second, seemingly building a roster around a guy who "sometimes" gets hot from three and does nothing else well wasn't a great decision. I

The idea that Chris Bell's status on this team is outside of Red's control is wild.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Did we lose those games? Didn’t everyone say we were going to get smoked by Texas because those games were so close?

Could it be that we played to the level of our competition? And that we had a bunch of guys who had never played together before? Who had never played in the Dome before?

We didn't win the ones we lost either. 0-6 against P4+ teams, best win is Cornell. CORNELL. One of the ten worst P4 teams by various metrics. Dead last in the ACC in net O/D rating (the goal being to score more than you give up). The only thing that Syracuse has going for it as a basketball team is that certain people refuse to believe their lying eyes.

The town of "Syracuse is a secretly good college basketball team" has a population of about 4 people who are all on this board.

 

[phil77]

New year same old excuses

 

[RF2044]

• Relying on Chance to play any kind of role was foolish at best, career killing at worst. He can't even get on the court against Bucknell. He had mono, it's not ALS.
• Chris Bell is not starting D1 wing. He just isn't. He's athletic and can shoot (sometimes), but that's it. He's Mookie Jones who was promised a starting job for as long as he was at Syracuse for some reason. I believe you were the one who posted that Red LOVES CHRIS BELL.

• JJ Starling is an average starting guard who can't shoot and can't play defense. He's a junior.
• Lampkin is out of shape and no different from the average player he was at Colorado: offensively decent, but not a defender.
• Leffew isn't even starting at Georgia. How bad is Red at closing?
• Freeman can play, but doesn't know how to defend at this level.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Every team deals with injuries and not getting the player they hoped and dreamed on. The evaluation of players and expecting them to be something they haven't previously shown is what is glaringly awful in combination with whatever the plan is for the offense and defense.

Remember this past off-season when some posters were suggesting that Red was going to build the offensive concept around Bell, who was going to have an amazing year?

Yeah... good times...

 

[djcon57]

If Chris Bell makes a 3 THIS YEAR (especially against Texas) they win.

Bell went 2-6 from 3 in the Texas game.

If he went 3-6, we lose by 1.

If you want to point to the wide open 3 he missed in the stretch...that 3 would have put us up by 2 with 2 MINS LEFT. Not a definite win at all.

 

[Day2]

We didn't win the ones we lost either. 0-6 against P4+ teams, best win is Cornell. CORNELL. One of the ten worst P4 teams by various metrics. Dead last in the ACC in net O/D rating (the goal being to score more than you give up). The only thing that Syracuse has going for it as a basketball team is that certain people refuse to believe their lying eyes.

The town of "Syracuse is a secretly good college basketball team" has a population of about 4 people who are all on this board.

I never said we had a good team, only that it’s unreasonable to assess Red’s coaching ability based on factors that are outside of his control. He gets an “incomplete” grade from me right now. My guess is the AD feels the same way and that’s why Red will get another year.