Tired of All the Red Bashing...

[kcsu]

Everyone talks about Red’s third year. What’s acceptable? 22 wins? 28 wins? 4 seed or better? What does he need to do to overcome the stink of this season? Being a 20-22 win team and sneaking in on the bubble reeks of a Dino 6-6 special. Frankly, thats not good enough.

top 6 ACC

 

[capeorange]

top 6 ACC

Remember when we used to be satisfied with a top 6 finish in the Big East?

Yeah, neither do I. How far we have fallen...

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Remember when we used to be satisfied with a top 6 finish in the Big East?

Yeah, neither do I. How far we have fallen...

And the ACC in its current state is a far cry from what the Big East was at that time.

 

[phil77]

I feel bad for Red just like I do Carlos they both are punching above their weight class. Both shouldn't be starting/head coaching in a P4 program.

 

[Madbiker]

I dont re-call anybody saying that we shouldn't bother with Lampkin when there was some question about his honoring the NIL agreement. Everybody was on board with making sure we wrapped him up. Is he this slow because he is hurting or because he is just this slow ?

Hindsight criticism is easy.

I admit to having wanted Lampkin, but I never preferred him to Brown.

A poster above said he had some alternate names to Lampkin and Carlos, but declined to name them. How about we get everything front and center if you want to pound on the Coach.

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

He had three NBA level players on the team. Didn’t play much defense there either and his PER was pretty pedestrian for an “impact” player.

 

[atlanticuse]

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

He wasn't 35 and moonlighting as Chef?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Anything worse than a 7 seed next year and he should be gone. Shaka went to the tournament 3 times in 6 years and Texas ran him out of there.

 

[OrangePA]

And the ACC in its current state is a far cry from what the Big East was at that time.

College basketball is a far cry from what it was back then.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Anything worse than a 7 seed next year and he should be gone. Shaka went to the tournament 3 times in 6 years and Texas ran him out of there.

I'd accept being in an 8-9 game next year. My thinking is we should be a tournament team that's comfortably in. That is, when I watch the Selection Show next year, it's to see our seed and who we are playing, not if we are even going to get in.

 

[LAorange44]

Anything worse than a 7 seed next year and he should be gone. Shaka went to the tournament 3 times in 6 years and Texas ran him out of there.

Texas is insane but we should be like this for basketball given our history.

 

[MikeSU02]

Updated for today as a reminder as to where we are:

NET of the teams we've played so far (note, we are 139 in NET), wins in bold:
LeMoyne: 323
Colgate: 284
Youngstown St: 195
Texas: 31
Texas Tech: 19
Cornell: 123
Tennessee: 2
Notre Dame: 92
Albany: 215
Georgetown: 77
Maryland: 13
Bucknell: 253

-- Upcoming games --
Wake Forest: 100
Florida St: 83
Georgia Tech: 159
Boston College: 212
Louisville: 60
Notre Dame: 92
Clemson: 36
Pitt: 11
Stanford: 84
Cal: 124
Duke: 3

Reminder for how the quads are organized for wins and losses:

• Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
• Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
• Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
• Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353

 

[MikeSU02]

Another note, JC is 14th in mpg in the entire ACC... with a PER of 8.1, TS% of 43.5% and a BPM of -2.0.

Out of the 8 guys that have played 200+ mins (so no Petar or Cuffe, for example) that is last on the team, last on the team and last on the team.

 

[cusefan88]

The ACC is god awful. How it has fallen. Will be interesting to see Syracuse against other mediocre conference teams.

 

[SUFan44]

The ACC is god awful. How it has fallen. Will be interesting to see Syracuse against other mediocre conference teams.

If the ACC is awful, I'm scared to think what we will be called when we finish at the bottom of the barrel.

I also don't understand how it can be tolerated by the AD, either. Two years is long enough to know that it ain't happening.

For the record, Donnie Freeman was more highly regarded than any of our freshmen coming in next year. Freeman is a good player, but he hasn't been an elite game changer.

Not sure how the recruiting class is going to be the end all, be all next year. Even though some on this board think we need to retain Autry in order to keep it.

 

[OrangePA]

If the ACC is awful, I'm scared to think what we will be called when we finish at the bottom of the barrel.

I also don't understand how it can be tolerated by the AD, either. Two years is long enough to know that it ain't happening.

For the record, Donnie Freeman was more highly regarded than any of our freshmen coming in next year. Freeman is a good player, but he hasn't been an elite game changer.

Not sure how the recruiting class is going to be the end all, be all next year. Even though some on this board think we need to retain Autry in order to keep it.

It hasn't been two years.

It has been one decent/good year and 12 games.

 

[djcon57]

It hasn't been two years.

It has been one decent/good year and 12 games.

Barely making the NIT is not a good year no matter how many times we try to make it true here

It was an improvement year over year. And that was a positive but it wasn’t a good year

 

[OrangePA]

Barely making the NIT is not a good year no matter how many times we try to make it true here

It was an improvement year over year. And that was a positive but it wasn’t a good year

I guess we can quibble over the definition of "good year."

He won 20 games after losing Edwards. He did what most on this Board wanted - he moved to a man-to-man defense. He got to the post season.

He probably did better than many on this board expected.

Deciding to fire a coach after that kind of first season - 12 games into the second season - is not the way to run a sports franchise in my opinion.

He may turn out to be the wrong choice, but for me, right now, it is too early to draw that conclusion.

 

[RF2044]

I guess we can quibble over the definition of "good year."

He won 20 games after losing Edwards. He did what most on this Board wanted - he moved to a man-to-man defense. He got to the post season.

He probably did better than many on this board expected.

Deciding to fire a coach after that kind of first season - 12 games into the second season - is not the way to run a sports franchise in my opinion.

He may turn out to be the wrong choice, but for me, right now, it is too early to draw that conclusion.

Not only did we not qualify for the NCAA tournament, we didn't even garner an NIT invitation.

Difficult to classify last season as a "good year." 20 wins isn't the significant line of demarcation it used to be.

 

[UpstateSM]

One of those 20 wins that keeps being used as a positive talking point was against a D2 team that finished 8 games under .500.

We didn't even sniff the tournament and got blown out NINE times. If that is a good Syracuse basketball season then we should all just stop wasting our time.

 

[Eric15]

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

His production last year at Colorado and this year at SU are freakishly similar. He is who he is. Eddie is basically Arinze Onuaku. A solid player but not an alpha player.

 

[djcon57]

I guess we can quibble over the definition of "good year."

He won 20 games after losing Edwards. He did what most on this Board wanted - he moved to a man-to-man defense. He got to the post season.

He probably did better than many on this board expected.

Deciding to fire a coach after that kind of first season - 12 games into the second season - is not the way to run a sports franchise in my opinion.

He may turn out to be the wrong choice, but for me, right now, it is too early to draw that conclusion.

I'm not really willing agree to disagree on this one.

If we lower the standards of the program to call a NIT bubble team a "good year", not really worth following the program honestly.

In the new world, a good year should be making the NCAA tourney.

Additionally, I don't see many posters suggesting he should be fired immediately during the season...so that seems like a wild strawman.

 

[djcon57]

Lampkin was certainly a bigger impact player at Colorado than he has been at Cuse. Why is that?

Colorado had multiple NBA 1st round picks around him.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm not really willing agree to disagree on this one.

If we lower the standards of the program to call a NIT bubble team a "good year", not really worth following the program honestly.

In the new world, a good year should be making the NCAA tourney.

Additionally, I don't see many posters suggesting he should be fired immediately during the season...so that seems like a wild strawman.

That's fine. We can agree that you are unwilling to agree to disagree.

Or perhaps we can agree to disagree that you should be willing to agree to disagree.

I'll defer to you on that.

What I seem to be reading on this Board are many posters who have already drawn the conclusion that Adrian Autry is a failed HC and should not be retained.

I don't feel that that conclusion can be reasonably drawn after one year - use whatever adjective suits you - and 12 games.

Like I said, he may end up being a failed HC. I hope that's not the case.

 

[SUFan44]

I guess we can quibble over the definition of "good year."

He won 20 games after losing Edwards. He did what most on this Board wanted - he moved to a man-to-man defense. He got to the post season.

He probably did better than many on this board expected.

Deciding to fire a coach after that kind of first season - 12 games into the second season - is not the way to run a sports franchise in my opinion.

He may turn out to be the wrong choice, but for me, right now, it is too early to draw that conclusion.

The team is currently 6-6. They have not beaten a Top 100 team, and has looked non-competitive in a couple of those games.

There are 19 games left plus at least one ACC Tournament game. Do you think the team that is currently being put out on the floor night after night will win 7 more games?

KenPom has our ACC record as 7-13. That means we finish 13-18. Our worst winning percentage as a program since 1968-69.

Year 2 should show improvement over Year 1. We have shown nothing to say we have improved in any sort of way.