Today Dino needs to be locked up

[721Comstock]

UNC lost their 'ing minds

Huh?
They were paying Fedora $4m a year.
Mack Brown gave them a discount.

 

[Whitey23]

With Mac Brown getting an average of $3.5 over 5 years, I think we are now in the $4m range.

Talk about negotiating against yourself. Only other option was staying at espn.

 

[Whitey23]

[Mack] Brown’s base salary will be $750,00 per year and $2 million in supplemental compensation. He will make $200,000 from Nike, and will get $50,000 in expenses per year. He will also get $500,000 per year in personal services from multimedia rights holder Learfield . His contract is for five years.

Brown will be tied as the 35th highest paid college football coach, according to the USA Today coaching database.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article222239045.html

 

[orange44]

Would love to hear what CTO has to say about Dino and a compensation increase. I know it is not possible but would love her view from inside the BOT.

 

[Ottoble]

Where we stand. Where do we go?

Some have suggested $4MM-$4.5MM. This would put us in a range above LSU and WV and below Miami and ND. That range seems to eliminate everything except the super money jobs which is good. ACC Network coming in august 2019 helps the cause here.

Gut feel if you use 4MM as a good target with a healthy buyout increase and long terms to avoid frequent future increases and assistant coach increases also with buyout increases you would be very solid and safe and reduce costs related to coaching changes transition season lost revenue, etc.

That is still above LSU, WV, and Baylor. Buyout to protect the window against some of the 4-6MM jobs though some have resources that buyout doesn't matter. Remaining Positions above 4MM are all tough places to please the fanbase, have sanctions, or are places with longstanding pretty successful coaches, 2 years to install a system might not be given to Dino at some of these remaining schools above 4MM line.

SU could probably get away with 3.5-3.8MM but may be well served to hit the next whole number to eliminate the mental money gap in the zone where the sharks lie.

Potentially it could be low-mid 3s with larger win incentives for each win after the 5th win in a season up to a higher ceiling ~4.2MM + 1MM national title bonus and buyout increase, since income and interest in him is closely related to team success here and that is quickly multiplied by a championship (merch sales alone could cover this) but that may be a bit complex. Publicly call it a $5.2MM max contract after incentives.

Alabama $12,000,000 Clemson $8,500,000 Michigan $8,000,000 Ohio State $7,600,000 Texas A&M $7,500,000 Georgia $7,000,000 Auburn $7,000,000 USC $6,000,000 UCLA $6,000,000 Florida $6,000,000 Stanford $6,000,000 Penn State $6,000,000 Texas $5,750,000 TCU $5,500,000 Florida State $5,000,000 Oklahoma State $5,000,000 Nebraska $5,000,000 Miami $5,000,000 Washington $5,000,000 Notre Dame $5,000,000 Iowa $4,750,000 Michigan State $4,500,000 South Carolina $4,200,000 Louisville $4,200,000 Utah $4,000,000 Tennessee $4,000,000 Purdue $4,000,000 Mississippi State $4,000,000 Kentucky $4,000,000 Oklahoma $4,000,000 LSU $3,750,000 West Virginia $3,700,000 Texas Tech $3,600,000 Minnesota $3,600,000 Arkansas $3,500,000 Virginia Tech $3,500,000 Baylor $3,500,000 Virginia $3,500,000 Kansas State $3,500,000 Washington State $3,500,000 Northwestern $3,500,000 Wisconsin $3,300,000 Illinois $3,200,000 Colorado $3,200,000 Mississippi $3,000,000 SMU $3,000,000 Georgia Tech $3,000,000 Vanderbilt $3,000,000 Oregon $3,000,000 NC State $3,000,000 North Carolina $2,800,000 Boston College $2,750,000 Missouri $2,750,000 Duke $2,700,000 Syracuse $2,700,000 Pitt $2,500,000 Memphis $2,500,000 Rutgers $2,300,000 Iowa State $2,300,000 Cincinnati $2,300,000 Navy $2,250,000 BYU $2,000,000 Arizona $2,000,000 Houston $2,000,000 Colorado State $2,000,000 Oregon State $2,000,000 Indiana $2,000,000 Wake Forest $2,000,000 Arizona State $2,000,000 California $2,000,000 Temple $2,000,000 Fresno State $2,000,000 Boise State $2,000,000 Kansas $1,800,000 UCF $1,750,000 Connecticut $1,500,000 Tulsa $1,500,000 Maryland $1,500,000

 

[orange44]

Where we stand. Where do we go?

Some have suggested $4MM-$4.5MM. This would put us in a range above LSU and WV and below Miami and ND. That range seems to eliminate everything except the super money jobs which is good. ACC Network coming in august 2019 helps the cause here.

Gut feel if you use 4MM as a good target with a healthy buyout increase and long terms to avoid frequent future increases and assistant coach increases also with buyout increases you would be very solid and safe and reduce costs related to coaching changes transition season lost revenue, etc.

That is still above LSU, WV, and Baylor. Buyout to protect the window against some of the 4-6MM jobs though some have resources that buyout doesn't matter. Remaining Positions above 4MM are all tough places to please the fanbase, have sanctions, or are places with longstanding pretty successful coaches, 2 years to install a system might not be given to Dino at some of these remaining schools above 4MM line.

SU could probably get away with 3.5-3.8MM but may be well served to hit the next whole number to eliminate the mental money gap in the zone where the sharks lie.

Potentially it could be low-mid 3s with larger win incentives for each win after the 5th win in a season up to a higher ceiling ~4.2MM + 1MM national title bonus and buyout increase, since income and interest in him is closely related to team success here and that is quickly multiplied by a championship (merch sales alone could cover this) but that may be a bit complex. Publicly call it a $5.2MM max contract after incentives.

Alabama $12,000,000 Clemson $8,500,000 Michigan $8,000,000 Ohio State $7,600,000 Texas A&M $7,500,000 Georgia $7,000,000 Auburn $7,000,000 USC $6,000,000 UCLA $6,000,000 Florida $6,000,000 Stanford $6,000,000 Penn State $6,000,000 Texas $5,750,000 TCU $5,500,000 Florida State $5,000,000 Oklahoma State $5,000,000 Nebraska $5,000,000 Miami $5,000,000 Washington $5,000,000 Notre Dame $5,000,000 Iowa $4,750,000 Michigan State $4,500,000 South Carolina $4,200,000 Louisville $4,200,000 Utah $4,000,000 Tennessee $4,000,000 Purdue $4,000,000 Mississippi State $4,000,000 Kentucky $4,000,000 Oklahoma $4,000,000 LSU $3,750,000 West Virginia $3,700,000 Texas Tech $3,600,000 Minnesota $3,600,000 Arkansas $3,500,000 Virginia Tech $3,500,000 Baylor $3,500,000 Virginia $3,500,000 Kansas State $3,500,000 Washington State $3,500,000 Northwestern $3,500,000 Wisconsin $3,300,000 Illinois $3,200,000 Colorado $3,200,000 Mississippi $3,000,000 SMU $3,000,000 Georgia Tech $3,000,000 Vanderbilt $3,000,000 Oregon $3,000,000 NC State $3,000,000 North Carolina $2,800,000 Boston College $2,750,000 Missouri $2,750,000 Duke $2,700,000 Syracuse $2,700,000 Pitt $2,500,000 Memphis $2,500,000 Rutgers $2,300,000 Iowa State $2,300,000 Cincinnati $2,300,000 Navy $2,250,000 BYU $2,000,000 Arizona $2,000,000 Houston $2,000,000 Colorado State $2,000,000 Oregon State $2,000,000 Indiana $2,000,000 Wake Forest $2,000,000 Arizona State $2,000,000 California $2,000,000 Temple $2,000,000 Fresno State $2,000,000 Boise State $2,000,000 Kansas $1,800,000 UCF $1,750,000 Connecticut $1,500,000 Tulsa $1,500,000 Maryland $1,500,000

Well done!!

 

[721Comstock]

Where we stand. Where do we go?

Some have suggested $4MM-$4.5MM. This would put us in a range above LSU and WV and below Miami and ND. That range seems to eliminate everything except the super money jobs which is good. ACC Network coming in august 2019 helps the cause here.

Gut feel if you use 4MM as a good target with a healthy buyout increase and long terms to avoid frequent future increases and assistant coach increases also with buyout increases you would be very solid and safe and reduce costs related to coaching changes transition season lost revenue, etc.

That is still above LSU, WV, and Baylor. Buyout to protect the window against some of the 4-6MM jobs though some have resources that buyout doesn't matter. Remaining Positions above 4MM are all tough places to please the fanbase, have sanctions, or are places with longstanding pretty successful coaches, 2 years to install a system might not be given to Dino at some of these remaining schools above 4MM line.

SU could probably get away with 3.5-3.8MM but may be well served to hit the next whole number to eliminate the mental money gap in the zone where the sharks lie.

Potentially it could be low-mid 3s with larger win incentives for each win after the 5th win in a season up to a higher ceiling ~4.2MM + 1MM national title bonus and buyout increase, since income and interest in him is closely related to team success here and that is quickly multiplied by a championship (merch sales alone could cover this) but that may be a bit complex. Publicly call it a $5.2MM max contract after incentives.

Alabama $12,000,000 Clemson $8,500,000 Michigan $8,000,000 Ohio State $7,600,000 Texas A&M $7,500,000 Georgia $7,000,000 Auburn $7,000,000 USC $6,000,000 UCLA $6,000,000 Florida $6,000,000 Stanford $6,000,000 Penn State $6,000,000 Texas $5,750,000 TCU $5,500,000 Florida State $5,000,000 Oklahoma State $5,000,000 Nebraska $5,000,000 Miami $5,000,000 Washington $5,000,000 Notre Dame $5,000,000 Iowa $4,750,000 Michigan State $4,500,000 South Carolina $4,200,000 Louisville $4,200,000 Utah $4,000,000 Tennessee $4,000,000 Purdue $4,000,000 Mississippi State $4,000,000 Kentucky $4,000,000 Oklahoma $4,000,000 LSU $3,750,000 West Virginia $3,700,000 Texas Tech $3,600,000 Minnesota $3,600,000 Arkansas $3,500,000 Virginia Tech $3,500,000 Baylor $3,500,000 Virginia $3,500,000 Kansas State $3,500,000 Washington State $3,500,000 Northwestern $3,500,000 Wisconsin $3,300,000 Illinois $3,200,000 Colorado $3,200,000 Mississippi $3,000,000 SMU $3,000,000 Georgia Tech $3,000,000 Vanderbilt $3,000,000 Oregon $3,000,000 NC State $3,000,000 North Carolina $2,800,000 Boston College $2,750,000 Missouri $2,750,000 Duke $2,700,000 Syracuse $2,700,000 Pitt $2,500,000 Memphis $2,500,000 Rutgers $2,300,000 Iowa State $2,300,000 Cincinnati $2,300,000 Navy $2,250,000 BYU $2,000,000 Arizona $2,000,000 Houston $2,000,000 Colorado State $2,000,000 Oregon State $2,000,000 Indiana $2,000,000 Wake Forest $2,000,000 Arizona State $2,000,000 California $2,000,000 Temple $2,000,000 Fresno State $2,000,000 Boise State $2,000,000 Kansas $1,800,000 UCF $1,750,000 Connecticut $1,500,000 Tulsa $1,500,000 Maryland $1,500,000

Where are you getting those #'s from??
There's a USA Today (clearly, not the strongest reference) report out there, that has #'s that are mostly consistently lower than what you're listing here.

USA TODAY Sports

I doubt Syracuse goes to $4M salary (and definitely not $4.5M or greater), UNLESS it's the total comp available, including all possible performance incentives.

Feel like $3.6M salary is the sweet spot, matching pool for all assistants (this is BIG), and a crapton of incentives available to up that well north of $4m for a good year, and maybe north of $4.5M for a great year.

Plus a correspondingly large buyout. Faith goes both ways.

 

[kuethstheman]

The last twenty years from now would go back to late 1998.

You mean the year we went to the Orange Bowl?

So if you’re saying that a big program would give Coach P a look circa 1999-2004 then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[jgeorge322]

people seem to be conflating what another school pays their coach with what another school would pay dino to be their coach. the latter is dino's market value, not what unc pays mack brown.

 

[HOFCeluck]

You mean the year we went to the Orange Bowl?

If you’re honestly that interested in dying on this hill then I’ll happily accomodate you. It’s teally not that important to me.

 

[rrlbees]

[Mack] Brown’s base salary will be $750,00 per year and $2 million in supplemental compensation. He will make $200,000 from Nike, and will get $50,000 in expenses per year. He will also get $500,000 per year in personal services from multimedia rights holder Learfield . His contract is for five years.

Brown will be tied as the 35th highest paid college football coach, according to the USA Today coaching database.

How much will new North Carolina football coach Mack Brown make? Here are the details.

So his salary from UNC is $2.75m.

 

[shu 49]

Think about what you said. We’re top 20 so we have to pay him top 20. There’s new teams popping into the top 20 every year. If every coach said that, you’d have everyone making top 20 and the scale would increase significantly year over year. We’ll do what’s fair. I hope they back up the brinks trunk to his house because I want Babers here till he retires from coaching. But I’m realistic enough to realize, this is his first year here where we’re over .500 and he’s only been a P5 coach for 3 years. If they bring him up $1m I’m sure he’ll see that as fair.

I guess from that perspective I get what ur saying. Makes sense.

 

[TheCusian]

At the very end of this podcast, they talk about USC keeping Helton and the guy they wanted was at a private school with a huge 10M buyout... what other private school could that be

Seriously, UNC? — Podcast Ain't Played Nobody — Overcast

 

[GoCuse08]

At the very end of this podcast, they talk about USC keeping Helton and the guy they wanted was at a private school with a huge 10M buyout... what other private school could that be

Seriously, UNC? — Podcast Ain't Played Nobody — Overcast

 

[JrodCuse]

My dad and I had this conversation a few weeks ago. How much extra income does the football team, because babers has us as a top 25 team again, generate in extra income. How much from ticket prices and concessions? A few million a year? So then basically his raise pays for itself just out of ticket and concession income.

Basically what is dino’s presence worth in terms of extra income to the university on an annual basis. It’s very close or exceeds the amount we’re talking about raising his salary.

 

[Whitey23]

Syracuse football’s worst-case scenario doesn’t have to be the worst-case reality

 

[Whitey23]

At the very end of this podcast, they talk about USC keeping Helton and the guy they wanted was at a private school with a huge 10M buyout... what other private school could that be

Seriously, UNC? — Podcast Ain't Played Nobody — Overcast

They were talking about Helton's $10mm+ private school buyout if they had fired him.

 

[TheCusian]

They were talking about Helton's $10mm+ private school buyout if they had fired him.

Ahh - makes sense now. I was making dinner while listening...

Good stuff anyhow. I particularly liked the rant against Mack Brown.

 

[kirbivore]

I dont see John Wildhack messing this up. It could possibly happen but I trust hes going to do everything he can to give him what he wants. As far as talking higher ups to Pay Dino and staff. I have faith. And as far as other teams signing Dino. I am confident we most likely will keep him. Football is undefeated in the Dome. Why would you invest all this money and not pay the proven coach and staff more money? We arent talking a hundred million dollars. Dino might lose a couple guys, maybe even a high profile guy. But he had a great year with losing what's his name to Kent State? And a lot of people thought he was a top coach.

He F'ed up ESPN, so anything's possible.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Brohm getting paid $6mil to stay at Purdue. Me thinks that $3.5 mil isn’t going to cut it

 

[TheCusian]

He F'ed up ESPN, so anything's possible.

Highly, highly debatable

 

[Whitey23]

Brohm getting paid $6mil to stay at Purdue. Me thinks that $3.5 mil isn’t going to cut it

Thamel says L’ville offered 35/7.

That’s after
Pitino’s buyout lawsuit over the 44mm they are trying to get out of paying him
Petrino’s ~14mm buyout.
Brohm’s 4.4m buyout

 

[orange_in_VA]

Thamel says L’ville offered 35/7.

That’s after
Pitino’s buyout lawsuit over the 44mm they are trying to get out of paying him
Petrino’s ~14mm buyout.
Brohm’s 4.4m buyout

Their AD has a ton of money from everything I've heard. This seems to confirm that

 

[shu 49]

He F'ed up ESPN, so anything's possible.

Huh is there something we don’t know about.

 

[jgeorge322]

Their AD has a ton of money from everything I've heard. This seems to confirm that

it might be their ad is willing to spend a ton of money. the older i get, the more i get creeped out by old, white boosters spending gobs of money to support these fake amateur programs.