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[weedsportwarriors]

We have the top two receivers in regards to receptions. I just can't understand how a top WR would not want that.

 

[skurey]

Once we get some legit top talent there it will be like Texas Tech with Crabtree. Yes I'm giving him credit for that entire season even though I know nothing about their team.

 

[SUGIANT]

How do we not have top talent st the WR position. You don’t lead the nation without being a top talent, I don’t care what the offense is, Ismail and Erv are top talents.

 

[Frozen]

How do we not have top talent st the WR position. You don’t lead the nation without being a top talent, I don’t care what the offense is, Ismail and Erv are top talents.

 

[cuse309]

How do we not have top talent st the WR position. You don’t lead the nation without being a top talent, I don’t care what the offense is, Ismail and Erv are top talents.

Then AET should have been drafted or made a roster. The system inflates the production numbers due to the massive amount of times we throw the ball. It's just a matter of percentages. I'm not saying Ish, or Erv are no good. I'm saying they are 3 star wr's that put up 5 star numbers. If they played in some other traditional offense, they would be just as talented as they are now, but the number of receptions would be in the avg. range.
Common sense would tell you, if the ball comes your way 20 times in this offense, you'll end up with a lot more catches than a W/R who has 10 balls thrown his way.

 

[care taker]

How do we not have top talent st the WR position. You don’t lead the nation without being a top talent, I don’t care what the offense is, Ismail and Erv are top talents.

If someone has the time I'd be curious to know out of the top ten WRs how many pass attempts there quarterbacks have in comparison to ours

 

[SUFaninNJ]

And Monk, and Harrison and Moore and KJ, not to mention Schwedes.

"They will come, Ray. They will most definitely come."

 

[cuse309]

If someone has the time I'd be curious to know out of the top ten WRs how many pass attempts there quarterbacks have in comparison to ours

I can't find stats on targets, but of the wr's in the top 10 in terms of yardage, nobody is within 10 catches of Ish. He's second in yards, but last in top 10 in terms of yards per catch.

 

[Entropic]

Then AET should have been drafted or made a roster. The system inflates the production numbers due to the massive amount of times we throw the ball. It's just a matter of percentages. I'm not saying Ish, or Erv are no good. I'm saying they are 3 star wr's that put up 5 star numbers. If they played in some other traditional offense, they would be just as talented as they are now, but the number of receptions would be in the avg. range.
Common sense would tell you, if the ball comes your way 20 times in this offense, you'll end up with a lot more catches than a W/R who has 10 balls thrown his way.

I think that further instills the fact that a top WR should want to come here. If 3* guys can get good production because of the quantity of targets then a 5* guy would get those same opportunities to showcase their talent. The more you play, the more balls are thrown your way, the bigger your numbers and higher your draft status. The combine obviously goes a long way in your draft stock but the more tape you have the better.

 

[PhatOrange]

Top WRs are coming here; Hendrix, Harris and Queeley

 

[Entropic]

Top WRs are coming here; Hendrix, Harris and Queeley

They should be good but based on the ratings they are not what anyone would consider "top". According to 2 4 7, Hendrix is 86th best WR, Harris 122, Queeley 162. Am I wrong to think "top" is at least top 20-25 at their position? By comparison Sampson is 5th at his position. White is 26th.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think the area of Dino's offense that needs the best talent is O Line, O line needs to be dead fit, athletic with the ability to run and pass block well. Easier said than done. If you can do that it opens up opportunities everywhere.

 

[OrangeDW]

How do we not have top talent st the WR position. You don’t lead the nation without being a top talent, I don’t care what the offense is, Ismail and Erv are top talents.

Top talents go to the NFL and produce there too. Moore, Kane, Ismail, Harrison, Kevin Johnson, etc.

I’d say we’ve had one “top talent” in the 2000’s at WR and that was Mike Williams. And he went pro and put up just under 1,000 yards and 10 TDS in a season a couple times. He’s the only one that was on par with the studs we had in the 80s and 90s.

Ish and Erv are solid players but they can’t do the things those guys could do.

 

[OrangeDW]

I think that further instills the fact that a top WR should want to come here. If 3* guys can get good production because of the quantity of targets then a 5* guy would get those same opportunities to showcase their talent. The more you play, the more balls are thrown your way, the bigger your numbers and higher your draft status. The combine obviously goes a long way in your draft stock but the more tape you have the better.

Marvin Harrison would’ve been a heavy Heisman favorite in this offense. He’d threaten for 2,000 yards and 20 TDS.

 

[PhatOrange]

They should be good but based on the ratings they are not what anyone would consider "top". According to 2 4 7, Hendrix is 86th best WR, Harris 122, Queeley 162. Am I wrong to think "top" is at least top 20-25 at their position? By comparison Sampson is 5th at his position. White is 26th.

Don't look at Hendrix's rating. Look at his size, speed and offer sheet.

 

[Entropic]

Don't look at Hendrix's rating. Look at his size, speed and offer sheet.

I'm not a talent scout so I do have to rely on people here on this site and those that produce the ratings. They look to be improvements over past classes, just stating that the word top may not be in play yet. I would bet it will be soon enough.

 

[TheCusian]

I'd bet there are more good WR on the planet than centers. Just by body type alone.

 

[cuse309]

I think the area of Dino's offense that needs the best talent is O Line, O line needs to be dead fit, athletic with the ability to run and pass block well. Easier said than done. If you can do that it opens up opportunities everywhere.

Agree 100% It's not as sexy to get a top lineman compared to a top W/R, but nothing will help the development of our program like a solid O.L. With a great oline, your Q.B., R.B., and Q.B., can put up just silly numbers. I'd go as far as saying, that if this team had an offensive line on par with a team like N.C. State, good but not great, we'd most likely be undefeated right now. No other unit has a overall effect on the positions around them like the o-line.

 

[nzm136]

Top talents go to the NFL and produce there too. Moore, Kane, Ismail, Harrison, Kevin Johnson, etc.

I’d say we’ve had one “top talent” in the 2000’s at WR and that was Mike Williams. And he went pro and put up just under 1,000 yards and 10 TDS in a season a couple times. He’s the only one that was on par with the studs we had in the 80s and 90s.

Ish and Erv are solid players but they can’t do the things those guys could do.

I disagree w/ your definition. There are a LOT of fantastic college players who don't do anything of note in the pros.

 

[OrangeDW]

I disagree w/ your definition. There are a LOT of fantastic college players who don't do anything of note in the pros.

Fantastic college players that aren’t “top talents”? Sure. Some guys are flat out good football players, but are missing the top end speed or strength or size or whatever for the NFL.

But we were talking more about “top talents”, no?

To me, one thing a “top talent” at WR can usually do is run away from people like KJ, Missle, Harrison, etc.

 

[nzm136]

Fantastic college players that aren’t “top talents”? Sure. Some guys are flat out good football players, but are missing the top end speed or strength or size or whatever for the NFL.

But we were talking more about “top talents”, no?

To me, one thing a “top talent” at WR can usually do is run away from people like KJ, Missle, Harrison, etc.

I guess Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, LenDale White, RG III, Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr, and Tim Tebow missed the memo that they weren't "top talents" in college.

EDIT: I should have also included Johnny Manziel, given that he's too perfect to leave off.

 

[OrangeDW]

I guess Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, LenDale White, RG III, Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr, and Tim Tebow missed the memo that they weren't "top talents" in college.

Huh? All NFL players, and some very high picks. All high recruits I imagine, too. Multiple NFL starters there. Bush had some excellent years. RGIII started out great before getting hurt.

What does that have to do with our slow, 3 star WR’s who put up numbers in our system?

 

[nzm136]

Huh? All NFL players, and some very high picks. All high recruits I imagine, too. Multiple NFL starters there. Bush had some excellent years. RGIII started out great before getting hurt.

What does that have to do with our slow, 3 star WR’s who put up numbers in our system?

If you're trying to spin that group into having success in the NFL, you're nuts. How they were drafted is irrelevant to how they performed in the League. And your obviously poor definition is irrelevant to who SU has on their team.

EDIT: Also, building off the above, there are 704 starters in football (not counting special teams or guys filling in for injured players, or roster/depth chart changes), and the average NFL career is ~3 years. Starters probably have longer lives ... maybe 5 years. That means that there are well over 100 new starters every year. If 'just starting' constitutes doing 'something of note' in your world, then you're doing crazy mental gymnastics.

 

[OrangeDW]

If you're trying to spin that group into having success in the NFL, you're nuts. How they were drafted is irrelevant to how they performed in the League. And your obviously poor definition is irrelevant to who SU has on their team.

EDIT: Also, building off the above, there are 704 starters in football (not counting special teams or guys filling in for injured players, or roster/depth chart changes), and the average NFL career is ~3 years. Starters probably have longer lives ... maybe 5 years. That means that there are well over 100 new starters every year. If 'just starting' constitutes doing 'something of note' in your world, then you're doing crazy mental gymnastics.

If you don’t see a difference between stud recruit Heisman candidates/winners who are early round picks and start in the NFL and Erv Phillips, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I guess Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, LenDale White, RG III, Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr, and Tim Tebow missed the memo that they weren't "top talents" in college.

EDIT: I should have also included Johnny Manziel, given that he's too perfect to leave off.

Ted Ginn Jr has had a decent NFL career