Trebor Pena transferring to PSU

[David321]

I take great pains not to call these guys “kids”. It’s a pet peeve of mine. And it kinda subtly removes the agency of the athletes.

I know people use the term loosely, but they’re not kids. They're very much adults. And they’re professional athletes to boot.

Agreed, they're grown men who are exponentially stronger than all of us.

 

[orangecuse]

My "rainbows and lollipops" naivete was extinguished a few years back when Jesse Edwards abruptly left the bball team for WVU, because he received a bigger bag. Nevermind that he was gonna be the focal point of the team, one that had a chance to maybe contend and certainly make the tournament. He literally crapped on the program that gave him his chance, developed him, supported him...and instead took the cash.
Like it or not thats how the game is played now in college athletics. It's not about loyalty, or honor, or "giving your word", etc. Cynical, yes- but 100% true, IMO. It's all about the Benjamin's. The only question that remains is how much longer will fanbases put up w/ this new reality, before giving up & jumping ship.

It's not just college athletics, it just finally caught up with the times in how the rest of the employment world works.

One gets a job out of college, and has an undergraduate degree in business. A degree mind you, that, let's just say, isn't that difficult to obtain. For the most part, the vast majority of the skills you will develop, etc. is learned "on the job." So, your employer, again, for the most part, hires you based upon your potential, etc.

After a few years of this "on the job training" you now use that, know how, leverage, etc. in either negotiating higher pay with your current employer, or, go on (as many do) to one that will pay you more. I doubt for a moment one thinks about that employer who took the "risk," gave you that opportunity, spent considerable amount of coin training you, etc. to actually make you productive. The vast majority just say, thank you very much and move on...as that was then and this is now type deal.

What I find, let's just say, insulting, is the facade that is NIL, when it's truly pay for play. Moreover, I find it, um, how about, interesting, that so many folks are so willing to play along and enable it by contributing to such a masquerade of a system. Especially, with it being non sustainable longer term.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

I take great pains not to call these guys “kids”. It’s a pet peeve of mine. And it kinda subtly removes the agency of the athletes.

I know people use the term loosely, but they’re not kids. They're very much adults. And they’re professional athletes to boot.

Well … they are professional athletes and they are considered legally adults but they are young adults. I understand when people call them kids in a non pejorative sense, I know few peers when I was college age that really deserved the term young ADULT. They’re adults in development.

 

[David321]

I work in onboarding and offboarding for my job. I'm not going to say you are in the minority with your thinking, but it's not that uncommon these days from my experience.

Oh I'm sure you're right, I've seen it in my line of work as well.

 

[OrangeFreek]

We're all a bit emotional today okay

I'm not one bit emotional about this at all.. Seriously it is not the end of the world! he is not DART!!!

 

[kingtidge]

Interesting story on Brent axes podcast just now. Reporters were waiting around last night for an hour while some of the leadership type players met with Fran at midfield. Dion Wilson, Macdonald, Duce, Petry, and Peña. Apparently was a heated convo that Trebor walked away from not looking too happy.

So reading the tea leaves, are these some guys the staff thought they had locked up but that are actually preparing to pull escape hatch??? ...and Fran and crew caught wind about it??

I would have thought Duce would have already learned his lesson on the grass not being greener...

Pure speculation, of course.

 

[cusefan88]

So reading the tea leaves, are these some guys the staff thought they had locked up that are actually preparing to pull escape hatch... and Fran and crew caught wind about??

I would have thought Duce would have already learned his lesson on the grass not being greener...

Pure speculation, of course.

I think it's the senior leadership players council. That group.

 

[David321]

I'm not one bit emotional about this at all.. Seriously it is not the end of the world! he is not DART!!!

He was very DART up until yesterday, that's what's concerning. So much so that he was the captain.

 

[Shenexon]

My "rainbows and lollipops" naivete was extinguished a few years back when Jesse Edwards abruptly left the bball team for WVU, because he received a bigger bag. Nevermind that he was gonna be the focal point of the team, one that had a chance to maybe contend and certainly make the tournament. He literally crapped on the program that gave him his chance, developed him, supported him...and instead took the cash.
Like it or not thats how the game is played now in college athletics. It's not about loyalty, or honor, or "giving your word", etc. Cynical, yes- but 100% true, IMO. It's all about the Benjamin's. The only question that remains is how much longer will fanbases put up w/ this new reality, before giving up & jumping ship.

While part of me agrees, it wasn’t that long ago that SU left an eastern league they helped form to join a southern league for a bigger payday. Many fans agree with that move, stating it was needed for survival. Though it may have been needed for financial viability, we haven’t competed as successfully in football or basketball since making that move.

SU sacrificed their brand for financial gain. I’m not sure we have any moral standing to criticize these players that are doing the same thing. It’s part of the game now but it started long ago before players could be directly compensated. The players didn’t start this.

 

[guards98]

"All of these college players are selfish for leaving to better themselves in a way that they see fit and it makes me furious because it reduces my own personal enjoyment of something" is certainly a fun, contradictory take.

That's fair for them, and it's also fair that, if chasing the bag is their goal and loyalty is secondary-to-nonexistent, why would I have any responsibility to be loyal to individual players? I'm a Syracuse fan, not a Trebor Pena fan. He's tossing the school aside for his personal gain, as is his right, then fair enough, I'm doing the same for my support of him as a player. That's how the game works now.

 

[David321]

Welp, I just unfollowed him on X. Soon as he realizes he's going to be kicking himself. You did this to yourself Trebor.

 

[JRHEETER]

Here is the reality of the situation...

It sounds like Pena came to Coach Brown telling him that "hey i got this offer and if you dont match it I am going to take it." To which Fran reminded him that they already had a deal in place and he knew this before.

I see this on a daily basis with students in housing at Ithaca College. Its mind blowing how this generation has such a sense of entitlement. From all accounts, Pena was upset that he did NOT get the counter offer from Fran Brown. He felt that he could use this as a basis for negotiation. We all know Coach Fran isnt that guy.

If he wanted to do a negotiation he needed to do that back in December. Doing it at this point, in Coach Browns eyes is turning their back on him and his teammates. That is not loyalty. That is why Fran told him, if you want to go, go. This is not the first time Pena has done this to Fran since the season ended.

Syracuse will miss Trebor, but he is not unreplaceable.

 

[David321]

Here is the reality of the situation...

It sounds like Pena came to Coach Brown telling him that "hey i got this offer and if you dont match it I am going to take it." To which Fran reminded him that they already had a deal in place and he knew this before.

I see this on a daily basis with students in housing at Ithaca College. Its mind blowing how this generation has such a sense of entitlement. From all accounts, Pena was upset that he did NOT get the counter offer from Fran Brown. He felt that he could use this as a basis for negotiation. We all know Coach Fran isnt that guy.

If he wanted to do a negotiation he needed to do that back in December. Doing it at this point, in Coach Browns eyes is turning their back on him and his teammates. That is not loyalty. That is why Fran told him, if you want to go, go. This is not the first time Pena has done this to Fran since the season ended.

Syracuse will miss Trebor, but he is not unreplaceable.

I know you know stuff. And being that this collaborates with what another poster inferred happened who also has been proven to know stuff, I'm convinced this is what went down.

 

[SURules]

Welp, I just unfollowed him on X. Soon as he realizes he's going to be kicking himself. You did this to yourself Trebor.

Duce learned the hard way.

 

[swish7]

This is the short term thinking that puzzles me. He would have been loved here forever, like Jesse Edwards would have been. Burn the bridge and you burn a lifetime of opportunities for a quick payday.

Yeah, I don't get it either. You could be the mayor of Syracuse one day, but instead choose to pay $500,000 in taxes

 

[rrlbees]

Yeah, is what it is.

Would have been A LOT better if he jumped prior to the spring game and Fran making him team captain, however.

A bit of a dick move if we're honest.

Maybe he didn’t have the big money offer then.

 

[kingtidge]

Here is the reality of the situation...

It sounds like Pena came to Coach Brown telling him that "hey i got this offer and if you dont match it I am going to take it." To which Fran reminded him that they already had a deal in place and he knew this before.

I see this on a daily basis with students in housing at Ithaca College. Its mind blowing how this generation has such a sense of entitlement. From all accounts, Pena was upset that he did NOT get the counter offer from Fran Brown. He felt that he could use this as a basis for negotiation. We all know Coach Fran isnt that guy.

If he wanted to do a negotiation he needed to do that back in December. Doing it at this point, in Coach Browns eyes is turning their back on him and his teammates. That is not loyalty. That is why Fran told him, if you want to go, go. This is not the first time Pena has done this to Fran since the season ended.

Syracuse will miss Trebor, but he is not unreplaceable.

That sounds feasible.

I could also see Fran calling the senior leaders to the center of the field after practice and having it aired out and words said.

That sounds like Fran.

I also don't begrudge Pena too much. He's likely being told by his agent to do this and to be prepared to walk. Now you can play the loyalty and stand-by-your-word card all day long (and I am sure Fran has addressed this with him), but I know I sure didn't always make the best decisions in my early 20's. In a lot of ways your are still an adolescent in a man's body. Life is a learning process and Pena will learn from this decision in time.

Maybe he didn’t have the big money offer then.

I am sure.

 

[JRHEETER]

Duce learned the hard way.

Might be why Duce was in the meeting last evening

 

[JRHEETER]

I know you know stuff. And being that this collaborates with what another poster inferred happened who also has been proven to know stuff, I'm convinced this is what went down.

I can’t say this is for sure what happened. But I have a strong feeling it is

 

[JRHEETER]

Maybe he didn’t have the big money offer then.

Might not have, but we also made sure he got paid back in December too.

 

[Chip]

I believe the SEC still has that rule

Conference rule for SEC, but I believe only applies to spring portal entrants. December portal kids are fair game to play right away.

 

[kcsu]

I agree with almost everything except that we are deep and loaded. I think we are in for a bad season. Forget our road schedule for just a moment. We have two games at home against teams that beat us last season and 2 more games against Duke and UNC that will be very rough.

Deep and loaded at the WR position

 

[RedtheGOB]

My fear as well. Rickie could be ok but fans may still feel like he’s chopped liver because he’ll be forever compared to Kyle.

Well we’re coming got multiple years with Rickie. Gotta thing of it as a dynasty and he’s a rookie

 

[dasher]

While part of me agrees, it wasn’t that long ago that SU left an eastern league they helped form to join a southern league for a bigger payday. Many fans agree with that move, stating it was needed for survival. Though it may have been needed for financial viability, we haven’t competed as successfully in football or basketball since making that move.

SU sacrificed their brand for financial gain. I’m not sure we have any moral standing to criticize these players that are doing the same thing. It’s part of the game now but it started long ago before players could be directly compensated. The players didn’t start this.

We weren't winning in football for years when we left eastern football. Basketball, yes. But that was a combo of a lot of things. An aging coach. Sanctions. A different league, yes. A new coach. A top recruiting ass't leaving the nest.

 

[Franz69]

I just read the last post in this thread, looked at the clock and it said 4:44. We're gonna be alright.