Turn back time - December, 2008

[orangenirvana]

Shortly after hearing the news about Doug Marrone being hired as head coach of your Orange and watching his press conference, if I pulled up in a DeLorean telling you I'm from the year 2012 and informed you that:

Going into Year #4, Syracuse would be predicted to finish #7 in a WVU-less Big East ahead of only Temple (and btw, Marrone is the longest-tenured coach in the conference)...that the collective fanbase does not expect more than four or five wins in 2012...that there would still be depth and recruiting issues despite much more financial investment into the program than what the previous coaching staffs received...that the football schedule will become much more challenging after 2012 due to moving into the ACC...

How would you feel? Would you feel that Marrone deserves an extension? That he is not over his head and he is the man for this job? Would you feel that it's okay if the team doesn't qualify for a bowl in 2012? Would you shrug your shoulders and say, eh, whatever?

Or would you think that there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone should be on the hot seat going into 2012, and that anything less than six wins would prove that he does not have what it takes to succeed as head coach for Syracuse?

 

[Noexcuse]

Would you also have told us 8 wins and a bowl appearance in Year 2?

 

[GoSU96]

Shortly after hearing the news about Doug Marrone being hired as head coach of your Orange and watching his press conference, if I pulled up in a DeLorean telling you I'm from the year 2012 and informed you that:

Going into Year #4, Syracuse would be predicted to finish #7 in a WVU-less Big East ahead of only Temple (and btw, Marrone is the longest-tenured coach in the conference)...that the collective fanbase does not expect more than four or five wins in 2012...that there would still be depth and recruiting issues despite much more financial investment into the program than what the previous coaching staffs received...that the football schedule will become much more challenging after 2012 due to moving into the ACC...

How would you feel? Would you feel that Marrone deserves an extension? That he is not over his head and he is the man for this job? Would you feel that it's okay if the team doesn't qualify for a bowl in 2012? Would you shrug your shoulders and say, eh, whatever?

Or would you think that there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone should be on the hot seat going into 2012, and that anything less than six wins would prove that he does not have what it takes to succeed as head coach for Syracuse?

He also strung together a 13-7 record over a season and half after taking over a program that won 10 game in 4 years prior to him coming on board.

He has a winning record over the last two years, which is the first time since 2001-2002.

The program is improving.

 

[kingottoiii]

I wasn't crazy about the Marrone hire in the first place. That being said I think baring a disaster that he deserves 2012, 2013, and 2014 to show significant improvement. I expect losing seasons in 2012 and 2013. So in 2014 IMO he needs to go 7-5 to keep his job. If I had to bet the farm on whether he is here in 2015 or not, I would bet against him.

I think it is put up time for Marrone. He realizes that which is why he was so cranky at BE media day. He really has a chance to make some noise this year as the BE flat out stinks. Taking SU out for bias I would rank the BE (not taking the where and when of conf games into account) as follows:

Louisville
.
.
Pitt
USF
.
.
Cincy
RU
.
.
UConn
Temple

I think Pitt is the 2nd best team in the BE which IMO says a lot about the league. They wouldn't finish in the top half of any other BCS conf. That also scares the hell out of me for next year since we take a major step up in competition.

I hope Marrone pulls through as I like him, like how he runs the program, and know he is here for the long term.

 

[SU2NASA]

Shortly after hearing the news about Doug Marrone being hired as head coach of your Orange and watching his press conference, if I pulled up in a DeLorean telling you I'm from the year 2012 and informed you that:

Going into Year #4, Syracuse would be predicted to finish #7 in a WVU-less Big East ahead of only Temple (and btw, Marrone is the longest-tenured coach in the conference)...that the collective fanbase does not expect more than four or five wins in 2012...that there would still be depth and recruiting issues despite much more financial investment into the program than what the previous coaching staffs received...that the football schedule will become much more challenging after 2012 due to moving into the ACC...

How would you feel? Would you feel that Marrone deserves an extension? That he is not over his head and he is the man for this job? Would you feel that it's okay if the team doesn't qualify for a bowl in 2012? Would you shrug your shoulders and say, eh, whatever?

Or would you think that there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone should be on the hot seat going into 2012, and that anything less than six wins would prove that he does not have what it takes to succeed as head coach for Syracuse?

 

[Stevenson]

no bowl, no extension.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'd rather you'd tell me that you're from 2016, and that Marrone is 1-1 in ACC Championship games.

 

[orangenirvana]

Would you also have told us 8 wins and a bowl appearance in Year 2?

Yes, if you had asked. I would also let you know that two of those 8 wins came against FCS teams.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I wasn't crazy about the Marrone hire in the first place. That being said I think baring a disaster that he deserves 2012, 2013, and 2014 to show significant improvement. I expect losing seasons in 2012 and 2013. So in 2014 IMO he needs to go 7-5 to keep his job. If I had to bet the farm on whether he is here in 2015 or not, I would bet against him.

I think it is put up time for Marrone. He realizes that which is why he was so cranky at BE media day. He really has a chance to make some noise this year as the BE flat out stinks. Taking SU out for bias I would rank the BE (not taking the where and when of conf games into account) as follows:

Louisville
.
.
Pitt
USF
.
.
Cincy
RU
.
.
UConn
Temple

I think Pitt is the 2nd best team in the BE which IMO says a lot about the league. They wouldn't finish in the top half of any other BCS conf. That also scares the hell out of me for next year since we take a major step up in competition.

I hope Marrone pulls through as I like him, like how he runs the program, and know he is here for the long term.

Good post, if Marrone has a losing season this year and next year you likely wont have to worry about 2014, hes not on the hot seat but the honeymoon is over and he knows the clock is ticking.

 

[jcuse44]

Marrone put our recruiting pipeline back together after robinson blew it up. Marrone KNoWS what it takea to recruit at Syracuse and he needs a few more years to show everyone what he has been building. Patience

 

[rrlbees]

Marrone put our recruiting pipeline back together after robinson blew it up. Marrone KNoWS what it takea to recruit at Syracuse and he needs a few more years to show everyone what he has been building. Patience

Pipeline to?

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[kingottoiii]

Marrone put our recruiting pipeline back together after robinson blew it up. Marrone KNoWS what it takea to recruit at Syracuse and he needs a few more years to show everyone what he has been building. Patience

This year should tell us a lot about Marrone's recruiting. GRob couldn't coach worth a lick. But he brought in some talent. Thus far Marrone's kids have had little to no impact on the O side of the ball. They NEED to have an impact this year. If they do not, then we will have an awful season.

I agree Marrone has done a good job putting relationships with HS coaches back together. We needed that. But we also need kids who can play and not just a bunch of depth guys. We need Marrone's RBs and WRs to step up this year. Thus far they have been quieter as Fresh/Sophs than GRobs Fresh/Sophs by a wide margin.

 

[domedog]

Shortly after hearing the news about Doug Marrone being hired as head coach of your Orange and watching his press conference, if I pulled up in a DeLorean telling you I'm from the year 2012 and informed you that:

Going into Year #4, Syracuse would be predicted to finish #7 in a WVU-less Big East ahead of only Temple (and btw, Marrone is the longest-tenured coach in the conference)...that the collective fanbase does not expect more than four or five wins in 2012...that there would still be depth and recruiting issues despite much more financial investment into the program than what the previous coaching staffs received...that the football schedule will become much more challenging after 2012 due to moving into the ACC...

How would you feel? Would you feel that Marrone deserves an extension? That he is not over his head and he is the man for this job? Would you feel that it's okay if the team doesn't qualify for a bowl in 2012? Would you shrug your shoulders and say, eh, whatever?

Or would you think that there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone should be on the hot seat going into 2012, and that anything less than six wins would prove that he does not have what it takes to succeed as head coach for Syracuse?

That Syracuse is predicted 7th is irrelevant. The track record of predictions is not good. The question is how we perform on the field this year and what progress is made. I think there will be good progress. If not, then it will be time to decide how warm the seat should be.

 

[orangenirvana]

That Syracuse is predicted 7th is irrelevant. The track record of predictions is not good. The question is how we perform on the field this year and what progress is made. I think there will be good progress. If not, then it will be time to decide how warm the seat should be.

Granted, how the team performs on the field is what it's all about. But the preseason prediction is not irrelevant at all, imo.

 

[All4SU]

Yes, if you had asked. I would also let you know that two of those 8 wins came against FCS teams.

So take one of those wins away. Make it 7 wins and a bowl game. Does that really change things? In year one, he equals Robinson's BEST year. In year two, he takes SU to a bowl game. Are you seriously trying to find fault in that? Year three was a step back to be sure -- not as far back as during any of the Robinson years.

People need to get on board.

 

[PhatOrange]

I think there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone has stabilized the program and has it moving in the right direction.

 

[Rocco]

But the preseason prediction is not irrelevant at all, imo.

How is the preseason ranking not irrelevant? It couldn't be any more irrelevant. Preseason rankings of any kind are guesses. Kinda like that commercial, "(one guy)I'm 99.9% positive... (other guy) so you don't know"...

If you don't think the program has improved, we are looking at different things.

 

[xc84]

I like Marrone and think he's the right long-term pick. However, after each season, we know more so I will re-assess and the end of this season. The whole scenario about "What if I told you in 1012..." is not really pertinent to me. After 3 years, it's not solely about the record...much more than that...some of which is sort of intangible. If you read comments from players, former players, h.s. coaches ...you hear good things that are positive long-term indicators. As to preseason predictions...they are notoriously poor in predicting the finish places and I really pay them no mind. They are based on last year... and so, if we base everything on last year...we assume nothing changes. That's what those polls are about. "Louisville finished great last year so we will make them #1 to start the season."

 

[Rocco]

Shortly after hearing the news about Doug Marrone being hired as head coach of your Orange and watching his press conference, if I pulled up in a DeLorean telling you I'm from the year 2012 and informed you that:

Going into Year #4, Syracuse would be predicted to finish #7 in a WVU-less Big East ahead of only Temple (and btw, Marrone is the longest-tenured coach in the conference)...that the collective fanbase does not expect more than four or five wins in 2012...that there would still be depth and recruiting issues despite much more financial investment into the program than what the previous coaching staffs received...that the football schedule will become much more challenging after 2012 due to moving into the ACC...

How would you feel? Would you feel that Marrone deserves an extension? That he is not over his head and he is the man for this job? Would you feel that it's okay if the team doesn't qualify for a bowl in 2012? Would you shrug your shoulders and say, eh, whatever?

Or would you think that there's enough evidence to suggest that Marrone should be on the hot seat going into 2012, and that anything less than six wins would prove that he does not have what it takes to succeed as head coach for Syracuse?

Seeing that I've stated my reasons why before, here's my response to a similar thread a while back...

Granted, last year's 5 game slide sucks. We can keep beating the hell out of that horse too. Correct, he's 17-20 in 3 years.

GRob was:
2005: 1-10, 0-7 BE (took over a 6-6 team)
2006: 4-8, 1-6 BE
2007: 2-10, 1-6 BE
2008: 3-9, 1-6 BE
Totals: 10-37, 3-25 BE

3-25. Took over a 6-6 team. hmmm.

Marrone is 17-20, 6-15 and was hired to take over the warm garbage that GRob left for him. He made a bowl game his 2nd year. He missed a bowl game last year by one victory. GRob never sniffed a bowl game. People quickly forget how much of a hole this program was in 2008. 20+ players were asked or voluntarily left the program. He had 60 scholarship players or something his first year. Marrone even said when he was hired that this was going to take 5 years to turn around. Need to restore the Orange Pride and Tradition. I think Monday's activities prove that he is starting to do that.

This year, the majority of the players are ones he recruited for his system. We are playing an absolutely brutal OOC conference schedule that will challenge the piss out of the staff and players, as well as the fans. We most likely won't be delighted with the results, but I'm holding out a bit of hope. We got a young team with alot of athleticism.

So why not extend Marrone? By bringing in a new coach, our schedule isn't going to be any easier. He will have to recruit new players for his system and will likely muddle up the recruiting areas/system. The staff is making inroads in NYC, PA, MI, GA, FL, DC/VA/MD. Why would you start over? Marrone has said that this is his dream job. We can go out and hire an up-and-comer and he dumps us for a hotter girlfriend in 4 years. Back to square one. We need consistency in the program, and the absolute only way to do it right now is to offer Marrone a 3 or 4-year extension. It would show that SU is standing behind him and the staff to right the ship.

GRob took over a 6-6 program and drove it into the shitter, to be polite. Marrone took over a 10-37, 3-25 program and has turned it into 17-20, 6-15 in 3 years. Earth-shattering? Not at all. I'd like to see a coach take over a program that was annually in the ESPN Bottom 10, lose 20+ players within months after your hiring, have antiquated facilities, a miserable fan base and turn it into a winner in 3 years. Marrone took us to 8-5 in his 2nd year. 2nd year. Last year was a disappointing ending, no doubt. But we also trounced a WVU team that put up 70 on Clemson in a BCS bowl game. Just saying.

We are in a better position with Marrone than we were without him. That is enough reason to give him an extension.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I believe Doug has at least 3 more years here to really improve the program, he has a lot of people on his side that matter. He has a few that aren't as well but that is pretty common. In addition, I think we will see improvment this year, he needs to show improvement in conference this year. If you look at the schedule, the only way we make a bowl game is to have a winning conference record, and beat NW or Minny. Don't see Mizzu or USC as games that we will win. That is not asking too much, don't know if it will happen but my point is, Marrone isn't on the hot seat just yet. I don't think musical chairs is the answer for Syracuse and I am pretty middle of the road on Doug, he has had some real great moments and some real dismal ones as well. ( again not out of the ordinary) That said, he realizes what is at stake and the reasoning for him shutting things down a bit. Win one more game and things would have been soo much better, not making excuses because he didn't.

The objective this year split the big 10 games, winning conference record, get to a bowl game. It is doable. There isn't a Big East game that we CAN'T win. I hope Doug wins 6-7 games this year, I hate the coaching search, the raised expectations, it is destined for failure at a capital limited program like Syracuse. If Doug continues to improve, grow as a HC so will the program. No doubt last years was step in the wrong direction, how will he resond is the question?

 

[garnermike]

I'd say:
Bill Snyder @ KSU: first 4 seasons - 1-10, 5-6, 7-4, 5-6
Frank Beamer @ VT: first 6 seasons - 2-9, 3-8, 6-4, 6-5, 5-6, 2-8
Jim Grobe @ Wake: first 5 seasons: 6-5, 6-6, 5-7, 4-7, 4-7

 

[JeremyCuse]

This year should tell us a lot about Marrone's recruiting. GRob couldn't coach worth a lick. But he brought in some talent. Thus far Marrone's kids have had little to no impact on the O side of the ball. They NEED to have an impact this year. If they do not, then we will have an awful season.

I agree Marrone has done a good job putting relationships with HS coaches back together. We needed that. But we also need kids who can play and not just a bunch of depth guys. We need Marrone's RBs and WRs to step up this year. Thus far they have been quieter as Fresh/Sophs than GRobs Fresh/Sophs by a wide margin.

Good point, I have been echoing the same thing, huge year for Marrone's skill guys especially at WR. We need to see some sort of development there for next year when we lose Sales and more importantly Lemon. Seeing some development of the two Frosh TE would be a big plus as well.

 

[rrlbees]

While I can't disagree with the general context of your post, there's a little fun with numbers. Grob did not take over a "6-6" program. That was the record in a single season. We had gone 3 years without a winning record. Our W/L during those 3 years was 16-20(?). We were headed for a few more dark years because after the senior class there were only a handful of real players on the roster. A single player, Ray Rice, wasn't going to change that when a team is 85 players.

Marrone ia right about where P was his last 3 years. Almost identical records without the epic blowouts. So we are past the Grob era and at the end of the P era. But that is mot good enough. The bar has to be set higher or we wont get better and continue to be mired in a .500 program.

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[All4SU]

While I can't disagree with the general context of your post, there's a little fun with numbers. Grob did not take over a "6-6" program. That was the record in a single season. We had gone 3 years without a winning record. Our W/L during those 3 years was 16-20(?).

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Then by that same argument, SU is not a 5 - 7 team. SU is a 13 - 12 team. Or a 17 - 20 team. If the big picture is required in judging GRob -- or P -- then HCDM gets the same courtesy.

By any criteria I can come up with, we trended down during GRob, and are trending up now. Maybe right now we are where we were under Coach P when he was fired. Maybe the line still goes up.

 

[jcuse44]

Pipeline to?

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Te pipeline to nyc, jersey and pennsylvania schools that were once integral to Syracuse's success. That same pipeline that robinson completely ignored on his voyage of destroying over decades and decades of friendships with high schools.