Uconn to the B12 NOT looking likely

[orangenauburn]

What will Hurley do when his checks from UConn start to bounce?

Go to the Nets

 

[Cusefan95]

With the direction college football is going, it looks like eventually there’s going to be another divisional split between “FBS” and “FCS” - although which schools will be on which side of the line isn’t clear. With college basketball ratings for the regular season being so low, that’s got to be an area the big boys look at improving to be able to demand more for TV rights. If it goes that way, splitting off completely from the NCAA could make sense.

The reason why UConn has to keep football going (and why considering g joining the Big 12 would make sense) is in case that’s the direction the sport goes - it doesn’t matter how good a program they have if they aren’t part of the top tier league. Their chances of getting in are very small right now - but it drops to 0% if they drop football.

I fully understand that most people here are going to think that’s insane, and that there’s no way possible that the NCAA tournament is going to go away - but did anyone anticipate the PAC-12 imploding as recently as two years ago?

 

[Hoo's That]

With the direction college football is going, it looks like eventually there’s going to be another divisional split between “FBS” and “FCS” - although which schools will be on which side of the line isn’t clear. With college basketball ratings for the regular season being so low, that’s got to be an area the big boys look at improving to be able to demand more for TV rights. If it goes that way, splitting off completely from the NCAA could make sense.

The reason why UConn has to keep football going (and why considering g joining the Big 12 would make sense) is in case that’s the direction the sport goes - it doesn’t matter how good a program they have if they aren’t part of the top tier league. Their chances of getting in are very small right now - but it drops to 0% if they drop football.

I fully understand that most people here are going to think that’s insane, and that there’s no way possible that the NCAA tournament is going to go away - but did anyone anticipate the PAC-12 imploding as recently as two years ago?

There is no extra regular season money to be made by leaving the NCAA. The NCAA gets exactly $0.00 each and every year from each and every sport's regular season as the result of 2 Supreme Court cases in 1984. The bulk of the money from a conference's TV contract is for football. There's a nice slice for basketball, but not anywhere close to the slice for football. If conferences do split off from the NCAA the only extra money that would be available would be from the new tournament.

 

[Cusefan95]

There is no extra regular season money to be made by leaving the NCAA. The NCAA gets exactly $0.00 each and every year from each and every sport's regular season as the result of 2 Supreme Court cases in 1984. The bulk of the money from a conference's TV contract is for football. There's a nice slice for basketball, but not anywhere close to the slice for football. If conferences do split off from the NCAA the only extra money that would be available would be from the new tournament.

I’m not sure why you think the NCAA getting nothing from regular season college basketball is even relevant here. This is entirely about conferences increasing their TV rights fees.

And TV contracts are mostly for football because lots of people watch it - and very few watch college basketball. Which means that’s a big opportunity for the conferences - if they can get more people watching each regular season game, that puts them in a position to demand more money for conference TV rights. Ideally a new tournament at least matches the NCAA tournament ratings - but with how much those have declined over the last two decades, there’s probably potential for significant growth there as well.

 

[Hoo's That]

I’m not sure why you think the NCAA getting nothing from regular season college basketball is even relevant here. This is entirely about conferences increasing their TV rights fees.

And TV contracts are mostly for football because lots of people watch it - and very few watch college basketball. Which means that’s a big opportunity for the conferences - if they can get more people watching each regular season game, that puts them in a position to demand more money for conference TV rights. Ideally a new tournament at least matches the NCAA tournament ratings - but with how much those have declined over the last two decades, there’s probably potential for significant growth there as well.

It takes 2 to tango. The conferences can't increase their rights fees for the regular season unless the networks are willing to pay more. So far, they have shown they are not willing. You seem to be trying to invent an increased audience, the only thing that would increase the value of the rights fees. Breaking away from the NCAA doesn't do anything to increase the audience of the regular season.

 

[JustPherU]

What does the law have to do with it?

You’re badgering the witnesses!

 

[Cusefan95]

It takes 2 to tango. The conferences can't increase their rights fees for the regular season unless the networks are willing to pay more. So far, they have shown they are not willing. You seem to be trying to invent an increased audience, the only thing that would increase the value of the rights fees. Breaking away from the NCAA doesn't do anything to increase the audience of the regular season.

No kidding networks aren’t willing to pay more right now. Ratings for college basketball are terrible and have generally declined for a couple decades now - why would they be excited to pay more for it?

The entire point is that if the majors break away, and instead of playing lots of early season pointless games, it’s all games against other majors. That should lead to bigger regular season audiences on its own. We already see that trend, as conferences increase the number of games in-conference. I’m not “inventing an increased audience” - but assuming it would be increased based on actions the conferences have already taken is a valid assumption.

The closer statement to reality is that you are assuming that playing more regular season games vs big name programs as opposed to the current approach won’t have any positive impact on TV ratings at all. That seems like the much more dubious assumption of the two being made in this discussion…

 

[ar inj]

The closer statement to reality is that you are assuming that playing more regular season games vs big name programs as opposed to the current approach won’t have any positive impact on TV ratings at all. That seems like the much more dubious assumption of the two being made in this discussion…

Even if the breakaways each replaced four cupcakes w/ four breakaways the extra eyes will not move the needle enough to get any additional “real” money (or more likely any money). Simply not enough fans and those games will be played during football season (i.e., before the Super Bowl). You and I might think it is the better sport but me and you and a few others watching will not move the needle.

 

[two3zone]

What will Hurley do when his checks from UConn start to bounce?

Get a recorded setting contract with any team in the world.

 

[jordville]

 

[grepal]

No kidding networks aren’t willing to pay more right now. Ratings for college basketball are terrible and have generally declined for a couple decades now - why would they be excited to pay more for it?

The entire point is that if the majors break away, and instead of playing lots of early season pointless games, it’s all games against other majors. That should lead to bigger regular season audiences on its own. We already see that trend, as conferences increase the number of games in-conference. I’m not “inventing an increased audience” - but assuming it would be increased based on actions the conferences have already taken is a valid assumption.

The closer statement to reality is that you are assuming that playing more regular season games vs big name programs as opposed to the current approach won’t have any positive impact on TV ratings at all. That seems like the much more dubious assumption of the two being made in this discussion…

Over saturation of the product. Most fans only watch their teams play and tune out after that. Think back to Big Monday, it was an event. ACC Tuesday same thing. Now practically every game is televised somewhere, and most people only watch their team play and then we go on to something else

 

[sufandu]

Over saturation of the product. Most fans only watch their teams play and tune out after that. Think back to Big Monday, it was an event. ACC Tuesday same thing. Now practically every game is televised somewhere, and most people only watch their team play and then we go on to something else

I think it's more that the product is diluted. When it was at it's peak you knew you were watching future NBA stars and got to know those stars for 3 years, sometimes 4. Now rosters are a revolving door and college is a one year rest stop before heading to the NBA. The loss of all kinds of rivalries to football realignment has contributed too.

 

[grepal]

I think it's more that the product is diluted. When it was at it's peak you knew you were watching future NBA stars and got to know those stars for 3 years, sometimes 4. Now rosters are a revolving door and college is a one year rest stop before heading to the NBA. The loss of all kinds of rivalries to football realignment has contributed too.

All of the above has contributed. Too much of a good thing. I am not complaining, it sure beats trying to tune in WAER for audio only and worse than that before the internet. Truth be told I pretty much only care about SU games for the past few years.

 

[sufandu]

All of the above has contributed. Too much of a good thing. I am not complaining, it sure beats trying to tune in WAER for audio only and worse than that before the internet. Truth be told I pretty much only care about SU games for the past few years.

I guess we'll disagree on the over saturation part. I've lost interest in teams other than SU for three reasons.
1. We don't have any current real rivals.
2. I'm not nearly as familiar with the players on other good teams.
3. I lose interest in the sport when SU isn't relevant.

Having access to more games hasn't hindered anything for me. Since I don't have the ACC network and SU isn't as big of a deal, I probably see fewer SU games than when we were ranked and constantly on Big Monday.

 

[grepal]

I guess we'll disagree on the over saturation part. I've lost interest in teams other than SU for three reasons.
1. We don't have any current real rivals.
2. I'm not nearly as familiar with the players on other good teams.
3. I lose interest in the sport when SU isn't relevant.

Having access to more games hasn't hindered anything for me. Since I don't have the ACC network and SU isn't as big of a deal, I probably see fewer SU games than when we were ranked and constantly on Big Monday.

I agree, but I still root against Georgetown every time, so I guess in a way I follow them. Also, I live in CT and have to say, I am inundated by the Huskies.

 

[grepal]

There is an article that UCONN has reached out to the PAC whatever for a football only affiliation.

 

[longtimefan]

There is an article that UCONN has reached out to the PAC whatever for a football only affiliation.

Well, that will make it easier for UConn to build a schedule. While b lowing up their budget.

And I doubt anyone wants their football program without their basketball program.

 

[NKR1978]

This new Pac has really rubbed me the wrong way. The MWC throws a lifeline to these two schools that no one wanted. And now they're blowing up the MWC and SUING them.

It's also a mid major conference. It isn't setting itself up to be anything. Memphis, USF and Tulane made the right move waiting. Increased travel for not any more money than they're making in the AAC. And they're the next teams up to the ACC and Big 12.

UConn football would be better off in CUSA or the MAC. I don't mean that as a joke, I just mean for scheduling and travel.

 

[sutomcat]

Well, that will make it easier for UConn to build a schedule. While b lowing up their budget.

And I doubt anyone wants their football program without their basketball program.

I think they are trying to sell a joint deal with Gonzaga. Take their basketball program and our football program.

The Pac 10 needs another school badly. I guess crazier things have happened. Someone on the Boneyard says there is a closed door meeting of their BOT going on right now.

 

[grepal]

This new Pac has really rubbed me the wrong way. The MWC throws a lifeline to these two schools that no one wanted. And now they're blowing up the MWC and SUING them.

It's also a mid major conference. It isn't setting itself up to be anything. Memphis, USF and Tulane made the right move waiting. Increased travel for not any more money than they're making in the AAC. And they're the next teams up to the ACC and Big 12.

UConn football would be better off in CUSA or the MAC. I don't mean that as a joke, I just mean for scheduling and travel.

The only move that makes sense is the ACC. They may be able to beat FSU.