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[dasher]

It was not all Brady. Certainly the first 3 Super Bowls were not all Brady. The last 3 were a lot of Brady, but the D was stellar as well.

BB is an all-timer. He just lost his fastball a few years ago. SU fans should be familiar with that career trajectory.

What was BB's record in NFL games that Brady didn't play?

 

[jr4750]

What was BB's record in NFL games that Brady didn't play?

47-57 with Pats
83-101 total

 

[BlazeOrange]

47-57 with Pats
83-101 total

To be fair to the old man, I was going to see if times that Brady didn't play due to injury or suspension impacted the record since expectations should be lowered due to using a backup. However, Googles AI says that the Patriots went 20-16 in the games where Brady was not the starting quarterback during the years he was with the team.

[Edit: I hit POST, then realized that this would include the end of Bledsoe's time when Brady was the backup. Looks like a more accurate count is 15 games injured in 2008 (they went 10-5) and 5 games deflategated in 2020 (they went 2-3).]

 

[NKR1978]

47-57 with Pats
83-101 total

Shouldn't GOATs be able to win big with different QB's? Congrats on riding Brady to get that 24 year old liability on the UNC sideline.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Belichick is a great game planner and I would take him as a defensive coordinator to win one game against an elite offense, but he hasn’t been a good talent evaluator in a decade. His GM record proved that from 2015 on in New England. Even at the end of his success it was Brady with a bunch of older skill position players that carried them to success.

 

[Scooch]

What was BB's record in NFL games that Brady didn't play?

We know that.

Are you suggesting that the 2001, 2003 and 2004 Pats titles are solely attributable to Brady? Because I watched every minute of every game those seasons, and I would heartily disagree with that.

 

[Cuse On 3]

Brady is a once in a lifetime qb. Bb is a good coach, not great.

 

[Scooch]

To be fair to the old man, I was going to see if times that Brady didn't play due to injury or suspension impacted the record since expectations should be lowered due to using a backup. However, Googles AI says that the Patriots went 20-16 in the games where Brady was not the starting quarterback during the years he was with the team.

[Edit: I hit POST, then realized that this would include the end of Bledsoe's time when Brady was the backup. Looks like a more accurate count is 15 games injured in 2008 (they went 10-5) and 5 games deflategated in 2020 (they went 2-3).]

The suspension was in 2016 and they went 3-1 without Brady. So that’s 14-6 without Brady in 2008 and 2016.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We know that.

Are you suggesting that the 2001, 2003 and 2004 Pats titles are solely attributable to Brady? Because I watched every minute of every game those seasons, and I would heartily disagree with that.

2001 no, but 2003 and 2004 Brady was a big reason. Bills defense got shredded by Jake Delhomme in a SB.

 

[Eric15]

Brady is the QB GOAT, and Belichick is at absolute worst a Top 3 NFL coach of all time, but probably the coaching GOAT also. Nothing last night changes that.

 

[VA Citrus]

Belichick is a great game planner and I would take him as a defensive coordinator to win one game against an elite offense, but he hasn’t been a good talent evaluator in a decade. His GM record proved that from 2015 on in New England. Even at the end of his success it was Brady with a bunch of older skill position players that carried them to success.

He has a huge ego and thinks he's so smart that he can get away with borderline negligence in many cases (having a ST coach and DC coach offense, so many bad draft where he tried to find these small school diamond in the roughs.) Winning with a 6th round pick and having Troy Brown play defense made him cocky. Right now he's in over his head in a younger man's game.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[jgeorge322]

Brady is a once in a lifetime qb. Bb is a good coach, not great.

Is it possible BB and TB made each other better? Like it was 1+1=3

 

[Briancuse]

47-57 with Pats
83-101 total

Its not as good as you would think but the guy won 11 games with testaverde before modell pulled the rug out from under him. And he won 11 games with Matt Cassel and went to the playoffs with Mac jones.

 

[dasher]

We know that.

Are you suggesting that the 2001, 2003 and 2004 Pats titles are solely attributable to Brady? Because I watched every minute of every game those seasons, and I would heartily disagree with that.

The only thing I am suggesting, and I am not really suggesting it, it is a fact, that he had a losing record without Tom Brady. And that point get an exclamation point when Brady goes to play for a losing coach and that guy wins the Super Bowl.

 

[23Zone]

There is an enormous difference between coaching professional NFL players and coaching college players. Success at one does not necessarily translate to the other.

 

[CU44SE]

Man, and to think the depth chart didn’t win him the game. How did TCU know what was lining up in front of them!!!!

 

[Scooch]

The only thing I am suggesting, and I am not really suggesting it, it is a fact, that he had a losing record without Tom Brady. And that point get an exclamation point when Brady goes to play for a losing coach and that guy wins the Super Bowl.

And I’m suggesting that the implication, by some, that Belicheck isn’t a great coach because of his non-Brady record is silly.

Context matters. He took over a lousy Browns franchise and had them winning playoff games in year 4, at a time when turning around a team was a lot harder than it is today. If Modell hadn’t sabotaged the franchise with the move announcement it’s likely he turns that overall record positive in year 5.

His first 3 titles in Foxboro were far more about defense and the running game than Brady being an all timer. That’s not to say Brady wasn’t a critical piece, he was, but not the way he was in the 2014 to 2018 run.

What is legitimate criticism is his post-Brady record in New England. His rebuilding plan was poor and his drafting was awful.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

The only thing I am suggesting, and I am not really suggesting it, it is a fact, that he had a losing record without Tom Brady. And that point get an exclamation point when Brady goes to play for a losing coach and that guy wins the Super Bowl.

Arians was far from a losing coach. His record may surprise you if you look at it 65-41 without Brady and his teams were always in the mix. Now sure Brady helped as TB was 24-9 when TB was the Qb but Arians was far from a losing coach without Brady. A bit of a tough personality but Arians had a solid career as a HC. Tampa has been a solid organization for a while now

 

[Orange315]

We know that.

Are you suggesting that the 2001, 2003 and 2004 Pats titles are solely attributable to Brady? Because I watched every minute of every game those seasons, and I would heartily disagree with that.

I think the "tuck rule" had a lot to do with one of them. Yes, I am a Raider fan and still angry.

 

[wfschrec]

 

[Chip]

Brady is the QB GOAT, and Belichick is at absolute worst a Top 3 NFL coach of all time, but probably the coaching GOAT also. Nothing last night changes that.

Some great college coaches just aren't very good in the NFL.

Some great NFL coaches just aren't very good in college.

They're different, and while it's too early to panic in a long season, I bet some in that program can't help it.

As an aside, when the team was running out on the field, I kinda thought BB needed a wheelchair to get to his coaching spot.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's ugly and weird as Hell and I love it.

 

[RF2044]

Why would Bill put himself through this?

Been wondering that myself. He was something like [and this is just from memory, so I might have the exact number wrong] 15 wins away from breaking Don Shula's all-time NFL victory record for head coaches.

As a Dolphins fan, I expected [and dreaded] BB latching on with some other team, and slogging through 2 to 3 years as a head coach, just so that he would break that all-time mark. That is 100% what I expected him to do, if for no other reason than to break the record.

I seem to recall that last year, he interviewed with a team [might have been the Panthers, but could be wrong about that] about a head coaching position, but the GM didn't vibe with him. I think that's why he ended up in the studio last year.

But to "waste" a year coaching at the collegiate level doesn't make any sense to me, at his age, with the record within legitimate striking distance. Maybe no NFL team would hire him, due to his personality / how difficult he is to allegedly work with.

 

[721Comstock]

Been wondering that myself. He was something like [and this is just from memory, so I might have the exact number wrong] 15 wins away from breaking Don Shula's all-time NFL victory record for head coaches.

As a Dolphins fan, I expected [and dreaded] BB latching on with some other team, and slogging through 2 to 3 years as a head coach, just so that he would break that all-time mark. That is 100% what I expected him to do, if for no other reason than to break the record.

I seem to recall that last year, he interviewed with a team [might have been the Panthers, but could be wrong about that] about a head coaching position, but the GM didn't vibe with him. I think that's why he ended up in the studio last year.

But to "waste" a year coaching at the collegiate level doesn't make any sense to me, at his age, with the record within legitimate striking distance. Maybe no NFL team would hire him, due to his personality / how difficult he is to allegedly work with.

I think he thought this would be an image rehab year,
then get another NFL gig and try to eke out some more W’s to catch Shula.

But that ain’t happening now.

I’m thankful that our UNC game just got infinitely more winnable.
Hopefully they’re in full on fiasco dumpster fire mode by then.