USC and UCLA to the Big Ten

[1959champs]

I'm not sure of the league rules. I'm not saying the vote is to dissolve the league, I'm saying the vote would be to rescind the GOR. I could see the SEC offering Miami, FSU, GTECH, Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVA and VTech. That would be almost all the old ACC save Wake and NCST. It would lock up their region permanently.

The only way to get rid of the GOR is to completely dissolve the ACC.

Some people who are especially sold on the GOR even argue that the GOR might survive the dissolution of the ACC, although I personally have a hard time imagining that.

 

[mscanlo]

The only way to get rid of the GOR is to completely dissolve the ACC.

Some people who are especially sold on the GOR even argue that the GOR might survive the dissolution of the ACC, although I personally have a hard time imagining that.

Earlier in the month, The Athletic was eluding to the GOR could be dissolved by a majority wanting to leave.

Staples: How would a school challenge a grant of rights? We asked a lawyer

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theathletic.com

They posted a copy of the GOR here: https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2022/07/01185531/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1.pdf

(not sure if they are both paywalled)

 

[Timonen]

I agree that the ACC will almost certainly get devoured in 2036. But I’m saying that Syracuse will hopefully be better in the two major sports by then.


Do you seriously think that people would be worried about Syracuse’s conference fate if our football and basketball programs were as strong as they were in 2001?

Will college sports even exist as they do now in 2036? At the rate we’re going with nil, unlimited transfers, sitting out once games that don’t mean much etc I wouldn’t bet in it. Plus cutting the vast majority of fans off from the “haves” programs. I see quality and popularity taking a dive. I’d be cautious to waste too much energy fretting over anything that will happen in 14 years.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Will college sports even exist as they do now in 2036? At the rate we’re going with nil, unlimited transfers, sitting out once games that don’t mean much etc I wouldn’t bet in it. Plus cutting the vast majority of fans off from the “haves” programs. I see quality and popularity taking a dive. I’d be cautious to waste too much energy fretting over anything that will happen in 14 years.

This. I'm just hoping SU can manage a few competitive/memorable seasons over the next decade so that I can share some of this passion with my kids, in the same way my father and uncle shared it with me. Whatever happens 10+ years from now matters, of course, but so much can change with the world and it's all beyond our control. Enjoy each moment in the present. Let's try to surprise some people this year and win.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Is USC going to end their series with Notre Dame?

They kind of have to. Recruits won't want to play another rust belt game every year.

West coast kids never playing road games in the bigger cities other than LA can't help that much either. Depending on how the alignment goes they might end up only going to the Horseshoe or Big House once every 12 years sort of like how we still haven't seen Miami in the Dome.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Will college sports even exist as they do now in 2036? At the rate we’re going with nil, unlimited transfers, sitting out once games that don’t mean much etc I wouldn’t bet in it. Plus cutting the vast majority of fans off from the “haves” programs. I see quality and popularity taking a dive. I’d be cautious to waste too much energy fretting over anything that will happen in 14 years.

Yes. Minor league sports have zero appeal at this point NCAA gets to be a better minor leagues for hoops and football. If you put a G league team in Syracuse it would draw less fans than a high school team but we outdraw the entire NBA for every single big game.

Unless the pro leagues opened up to promotion and relegation (yeah right never going to happen) noone will ever care about the minors and they will get less and less popular regardless of what support they get from the big leagues.

 

[Killdozer]

For all those doom and gloom posters, please go find another university to be a fan of and allow the real SU fans cheer no matter where they ends up.

 

[Chip]

our record does not and will not...matter.

Not true. If we go 12-0 for the next 14 years, people will notice.

But short of that, yeah..

 

[Tango32]

For all those doom and gloom posters, please go find another university to be a fan of and allow the real SU fans cheer no matter where they ends up.

Any fan hanging around this board after the product the last 20 years is a real fan.

 

[kcsu]

It isn't a lifetime thing. We will end up where we end up. Delaying the inevitable for 10 years does nothing for SU long term.

There is zero reason for SU to play a losing hand. Next year let alone 12 years from now so much will change. Fox and ESPN may not be the dominant players. Congress may get involved. Why would you ever play a losing hand if you didn't need to?

 

[kirbivore]

Will college sports even exist as they do now in 2036? At the rate we’re going with nil, unlimited transfers, sitting out once games that don’t mean much etc I wouldn’t bet in it. Plus cutting the vast majority of fans off from the “haves” programs. I see quality and popularity taking a dive. I’d be cautious to waste too much energy fretting over anything that will happen in 14 years.

 

[kirbivore]

Is USC going to end their series with Notre Dame?

They kind of have to. Recruits won't want to play another rust belt game every year.

West coast kids never playing road games in the bigger cities other than LA can't help that much either. Depending on how the alignment goes they might end up only going to the Horseshoe or Big House once every 12 years sort of like how we still haven't seen Miami in the Dome.

That would be the ultimate double cross

 

[nd1973]

Is USC going to end their series with Notre Dame?

They kind of have to. Recruits won't want to play another rust belt game every year.

West coast kids never playing road games in the bigger cities other than LA can't help that much either. Depending on how the alignment goes they might end up only going to the Horseshoe or Big House once every 12 years sort of like how we still haven't seen Miami in the Dome.

No, it is safe. Been a few announcements on this issue. USC made sure to protect the game.

 

[Bulldog04]

Off topic but ucla and jordan brand agree to six year deal worth 46.5 million. Not sure if anyone has seen that but I would give anything to be a jordan school at cuse. I know I have stated it before, but the impact on kids and recruiting and brand recognition is monumental. Can’t believe Melo hasnt pushed for this...

 

[CousCuse]

So, if the SEC moves to protect their territory by adding Miami, FSU, GTech and Clemson and then goes to secure North Carolina by adding UNC and Duke and Virginia by adding UVA and VTech they get to 24 teams and I think they're done. The B1G then would be shutout of a southeast move so they would add the 4 PAC12 teams they are interested in: UW, Oregon, Stanford and Cal, that gets them to 20. Notre Dame may join giving them 21 or they may still stay indy, either way the B1G will still look to get to 24 by adding 3 or 4 teams. I really believe Syracuse is one of those teams. Maybe the first of those 3 or 4 teams selected.

 

[dasher]

I'm not sure of the league rules. I'm not saying the vote is to dissolve the league, I'm saying the vote would be to rescind the GOR. I could see the SEC offering Miami, FSU, GTECH, Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVA and VTech. That would be almost all the old ACC save Wake and NCST. It would lock up their region permanently.

You think the SEC is going to offer 8 schools? That would seem to be a big reach when they don't have to do that. What would both Va Tech and Virginia give them? One will do the trick. Same with Miami and FSU. Duke gives them next to nothing.

 

[CousCuse]

You think the SEC is going to offer 8 schools? That would seem to be a big reach when they don't have to do that. What would both Va Tech and Virginia give them? One will do the trick. Same with Miami and FSU. Duke gives them next to nothing.

I think they don't want to share their markets/region at all with the B1G. Just my opinion. Keep them out of all that recruiting and growing market region. I think they can live with taking Duke, who is arguably the No.1 cbb brand, to keep the old UVA-UNC-Duke ACC core together and to keep them from going B1G instead. I think 2 conferences with 24 teams is the end game so the SEC would accomplish this by adding the ACC 8 and completing their solid south strategy. Can't see any other teams the SEC would want.

 

[Chris02M]

I think they don't want to share their markets/region at all with the B1G. Just my opinion. Keep them out of all that recruiting and growing market region. I think they can live with taking Duke, who is arguably the No.1 cbb brand, to keep the old UVA-UNC-Duke ACC core together and to keep them from going B1G instead. I think 2 conferences with 24 teams is the end game so the SEC would accomplish this by adding the ACC 8 and completing their solid south strategy. Can't see any other teams the SEC would want.

realignment never goes that quick, it took a decade to go to 16

 

[CousCuse]

realignment never goes that quick, it took a decade to go to 16

The big money wants it done now before the new media deals go into place and they call the shots.

 

[Chris02M]

The big money wants it done now before the new media deals go into place and they call the shots.

sec seems happy at 16 and they call the shots

 

[mscanlo]

The big money wants it done now before the new media deals go into place and they call the shots.

SEC just renegotiated their deal. Kicks in 2024 of the top of my head. ESPN paid big bucks to even take the 3:30 slot from CBS

 

[CousCuse]

sec seems happy at 16 and they call the shots

They're slow playing their hand. What they have to have happen is a 12 team playoff. That will keep their respective fan bases engaged late in the season. Under the current order, that's not going to happen for quite a while.

 

[mscanlo]

They're slow playing their hand. What they have to have happen is a 12 team playoff. That will keep their respective fan bases engaged late in the season. Under the current order, that's not going to happen for quite a while.

The SEC has thrown out the idea of their own playoff system. Their fans wouldnt care if they only played conference games (even in the playoffs) as they think the SEC is the only thing that matters

 

[CousCuse]

SEC just renegotiated their deal. Kicks in 2024 of the top of my head. ESPN paid big bucks to even take the 3:30 slot from CBS

The SEC has thrown out the idea of their own playoff system. Their fans don’t care if they only played conference games as they think the SEC is the only thing that matters

The B1G is forcing the action. The B1G went out and took USC/UCLA effectively destroying the PAC. The B1G are the ones who said they're not done and threw out Miami and FSU as options. Do you think the SEC is going to allow the B1G to infringe on their territory? The SEC wants the south all to themselves, and what I'm saying is that could really work in SU's favor and would almost guarantee them a spot in the B1G. I hope.

 

[mscanlo]

The B1G is forcing the action. The B1G went out and took USC/UCLA effectively destroying the PAC. The B1G are the ones who said they're not done and threw out Miami and FSU as options. Do you think the SEC is going to allow the B1G to infringe on their territory? The SEC wants the south all to themselves, and what I'm saying is that could really work in SU's favor and would almost guarantee them a spot in the B1G. I h

The B1G is forcing the action. The B1G went out and took USC/UCLA effectively destroying the PAC. The B1G are the ones who said they're not done and threw out Miami and FSU as options. Do you think the SEC is going to allow the B1G to infringe on their territory? The SEC wants the south all to themselves, and what I'm saying is that could really work in SU's favor and would almost guarantee them a spot in the B1G. I hope.

Anecdotal, but the SEC is not worried about realignment. You barely here it as a topic of conversation down here.

And the SEC has the south locked up. Who are you proposing they add?