USNews Rankings are out...

[orangeinjersey]

SU is 58, ACC schools ranked higher, UVA, Duke, Miami, Wake and Chapel Hill. I think this I higher than last year.

 

[oldpinepoint]

It's too low, it needs to be higher

 

[rrlbees]

SU is 58, ACC schools ranked higher, UVA, Duke, Miami, Wake and Chapel Hill. I think this I higher than last year.

I think we were 62 last year.

 

[Alsacs]

We were 62nd last year so this is a minor improvement which is good. Syracuse should be in the 40's IMO to justify the cost. Newhouse, Maxwell, Whitman are all elite we need engineering, and pump up pre-Med, pre-law.

Also, Boston College and Georgia tech were below us? That would shock me.

 

[DownTheField]

Here's the full list:

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

 

[IthacaBarrel]

We were 62nd last year so this is a minor improvement which is good. Syracuse should be in the 40's IMO to justify the cost. Newhouse, Maxwell, Whitman are all elite we need engineering, and pump up pre-Med, pre-law.

Also, Boston College and Georgia tech were below us? That would shock me.

They are both in front of SU, I checked seemed odd to me as well

 

[djorange1989]

Hey but who parties better than SU? So there's that

 

[Millhouse]

I think we were 62 last year.

it'll take some time to undo cantor's stupidity but they'll get it done

tied with uconn BLECH

goal should be to get into the 30s. they need to get more selective.

schools that say they don't care about rankings only do so because they're bad or headed the wrong direction

 

[#FRANchise]

Clarkson grossly underrated at 121

 

[OrangePA]

A move in the right direction.

 

[OttoMets]

We were 62nd last year so this is a minor improvement which is good. Syracuse should be in the 40's IMO to justify the cost. Newhouse, Maxwell, Whitman are all elite we need engineering, and pump up pre-Med, pre-law.

Also, Boston College and Georgia tech were below us? That would shock me.

Whitman, unfortunately, is considered a long step from elite. Good faculty, plenty of good students, sure. But not in that group.

Also, don't only really bad schools offer pre-law? Except for the oddballs who were in music or engineering or something, I think 95% of the law students I've known majored in some combination of political science, English, history, philosophy, economics, or IR as undergraduates.

 

[Doctor44]

I've said it and I'll keep saying it - if SU wants to improve in academic rankings it needs a strong association with upstate and medical research

 

[690West]

LeMoyne is below Geneseo. Alrighty then. Sham list.

 

[rottweiler44]

I honestly think this Chancellor will get it done. Goal should be low 40s. Interesting that we are now below Miami, Boston U., Northeastern, Pepperdine, and GWU. In the 90's SU was ranked higher than all of them and I believe they are still obtainable. Not as concerned with passing the huge state schools like PSU and UW. To a certain extent their rankings are driven by supply and demand economics and are not directly comparable to SU. As a side note, the VPI ranking has always surprised me, maybe its because I work in technology, but I would think VT would be stronger.

 

[cuseinchina]

Whitman, unfortunately, is considered a long step from elite. Good faculty, plenty of good students, sure. But not in that group.

Also, don't only really bad schools offer pre-law? Except for the oddballs who were in music or engineering or something, I think 95% of the law students I've known majored in some combination of political science, English, history, philosophy, economics, or IR as undergraduates.

Yeah Whitman unfortunately is not very good. It's a marketing school - whereas the good business schools are finance schools or leadership schools. Well unless you consider Northwestern which is a marketing school and is very very good. I feel like Whitman could be much better. As it stands, most of the kids I've mentored out of there have needed a whole lot of help to even be prepared for an interview --- there is no career focus.

Maxwell on the other hand is incredible - truly top notch. They make a big mistake housing the Maxwell majors in arts and sciences- it hurts the quality of the degree and the quality of student. The Maxwell brand can and should be leveraged much better than it is today.

 

[SU2NASA]

We were 62nd last year so this is a minor improvement which is good. Syracuse should be in the 40's IMO to justify the cost. Newhouse, Maxwell, Whitman are all elite we need engineering, and pump up pre-Med, pre-law.

Also, Boston College and Georgia tech were below us? That would shock me.

Engineering?

I can only do so much.

 

[NashvilleOrange]

Hire a consultant from Northeastern. 10 years ago they weren't in the top 100 and now they're 42.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

 

[cuseinchina]

Hire a consultant from Northeastern. 10 years ago they weren't in the top 100 and now they're 42.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

Northeastern, flat out, is not as good a school as Syracuse. It's not nearly as good as BU either. They have done a nice job investing in the right things, their facilities are amazing, and the location can't be beat.

 

[Pat Kelly]

Northeastern, flat out, is not as good a school as Syracuse. It's not nearly as good as BU either. They have done a nice job investing in the right things, their facilities are amazing, and the location can't be beat.

Northeastern is a great school, co-op is top-notch

 

[Pat Kelly]

Yeah Whitman unfortunately is not very good. It's a marketing school - whereas the good business schools are finance schools or leadership schools. Well unless you consider Northwestern which is a marketing school and is very very good. I feel like Whitman could be much better. As it stands, most of the kids I've mentored out of there have needed a whole lot of help to even be prepared for an interview --- there is no career focus.

Maxwell on the other hand is incredible - truly top notch. They make a big mistake housing the Maxwell majors in arts and sciences- it hurts the quality of the degree and the quality of student. The Maxwell brand can and should be leveraged much better than it is today.

Marxwell***

 

[cuseinchina]

Northeastern is a great school, co-op is top-notch

The mandatory internship co-op program at NU is excellent. But it's not landing people in top jobs. It is a differentiator versus kids from say UMASS. I got a free rid to Northeastern, there is a reason I went to Syracuse instead - you get a higher quality student. I think northeastern has improved in the 20 years since I graduated HS and Syracuse has for sure slipped. But having interviewd kids from both - Syracuse still tends to be a bit better intellectually and long term that matters more than the integrated internship IMO. I've seen some pretty successful NU grads, but SU has many more.

 

[Alsacs]

Yeah Whitman unfortunately is not very good. It's a marketing school - whereas the good business schools are finance schools or leadership schools. Well unless you consider Northwestern which is a marketing school and is very very good. I feel like Whitman could be much better. As it stands, most of the kids I've mentored out of there have needed a whole lot of help to even be prepared for an interview --- there is no career focus.

Maxwell on the other hand is incredible - truly top notch. They make a big mistake housing the Maxwell majors in arts and sciences- it hurts the quality of the degree and the quality of student. The Maxwell brand can and should be leveraged much better than it is today.

I was a Broadcast Journalism/Poli Sci duel major. I loved Maxwell and made sure my degree was signed by the Maxwell Dean when I graduated which SU will do for undergrads if they request it.

I was giving Whitman respect because the new building opening when I was there and I had a bunch of ECON major friends tell me the school was its ranking. Maxwell should have an undergrad school as well get the Poli Sci/IR majors under a great school and it would attract good students.

 

[supp]

SU was #58 two years ago under Cantor. They've bounced around between 62 and 58 over the past 5 years. Not sure this year's ranking is evidence of a new pattern. It's a shame how important these rankings have become. Schools have accrued billions in debt and priced the middle class out of higher education by trying to game the system.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/us-news-college-ranking-trends/1292/

 

[cuseinchina]

Marxwell***

You may not like their politics...but the grad school trades places with Harvard for no. 1 and 2 in the world when it comes to policy. It's an amazing program.

 

[supp]

The mandatory internship co-op program at NU is excellent. But it's not landing people in top jobs. It is a differentiator versus kids from say UMASS. I got a free rid to Northeastern, there is a reason I went to Syracuse instead - you get a higher quality student. I think northeastern has improved in the 20 years since I graduated HS and Syracuse has for sure slipped. But having interviewd kids from both - Syracuse still tends to be a bit better intellectually and long term that matters more than the integrated internship IMO. I've seen some pretty successful NU grads, but SU has many more.

The new DOE rankings will be focusing on what your degree gets you rather than what gets you the degree. Schools like Northeastern will not do as well in those rankings.