USNews Rankings are out...

[stuckinbig11]

Kentucky is 129--too bad that their bball players can't count that high.

 

[Cheriehoop]

LeMoyne is below Geneseo. Alrighty then. Sham list.

Strange fact I found out after my son was in Syracuse recuperating from back surgery while in college. He looked into taking on-line business -accounting courses while flat on his back. We looked into Lemoyne, which has a big business and Accounting major and a fellow Jesuit school but his university (Scranton) ,said that the credits wouldn't be accepted. It wasn't accredited by AACSB (Business/Accounting International Accrediting Board) - only SU, Cornell and Geneseo in the area were accredited. Geneseo didn't offer on-line courses back then and SU and Cornell's cost was prohibitive. Was very surprised that Lemoyne didn't have it. Since then Oswego has gotten it.

 

[690West]

Strange fact I found out after my son was in Syracuse recuperating from back surgery while in college. He looked into taking on-line business -accounting courses while flat on his back. We looked into Lemoyne, which has a big business and Accounting major and a fellow Jesuit school but his university (Scranton) ,said that the credits wouldn't be accepted. It wasn't accredited by AACSB (Business/Accounting International Accrediting Board) - only SU, Cornell and Geneseo in the area were accredited. Geneseo didn't offer on-line courses back then and SU and Cornell's cost was prohibitive. Was very surprised that Lemoyne didn't have it. Since then Oswego has gotten it.

We got the AACSB for our business school back in 2009. I was surprised it took that long.
http://test.portals.lemoyne.edu/tabid/795/Default.aspx?udt_2761_param_detail=3550

 

[Eric15]

Getting an MPA from Maxwell was the best decision I've ever made in my life. (Not saying that to sound pretentious, just trying to compliment how great of a program it is).

 

[cuseinchina]

Is there a corresponding undergrad business program at Cornell? I know there's an Ag school, that operates a business-like curriculum. That's probably why there's a weak correlation between grad / undergrad.

There is a business/economics program I am fairly sure. Point being you see cornell undergrads all over wall street and at the big tech giants in San fran- and the MBA program struggles in the rankings and students tend to not end up at top firms (generalizing of course).

 

[Madbiker]

I remember when SU was ranked in the mid 40's. It really slid during Cantor and was 62 last year.

 

[Alsacs]

Cantor killed our ranking. I came into Syracuse we where 47th I left which was Cantor's first full year we went down to 51. Cantor spent money crazy, admitted too many students and killed our academics

 

[Cheriehoop]

We got the AACSB for our business school back in 2009. I was surprised it took that long.
http://test.portals.lemoyne.edu/tabid/795/Default.aspx?udt_2761_param_detail=3550

Thanks makes sense - it was 2006 that we found out they didn't have it. I knew that business/accounting was one of their most successful majors so we were surprised too.

 

[Madbiker]

ACC Schools Ranking:

1. Duke 8
2. Notre Dame 16
3. U Virginia 23
4. Wake Forest 27
5. UNC 30
6. BC 31
7. Georgia Tech 35
8. U Miami 48
9. SYRACUSE 58
10. Clemson 62
10. Pitt 62
12. Virginia Tech 71
13. Florida State 95
13. NC State 95
15. Louisville 161

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Cantor killed our ranking. I came into Syracuse we where 47th I left which was Cantor's first full year we went down to 51. Cantor spent money crazy, admitted too many students and killed our academics

You might find another cause for the decline in your statement

 

[RF2044]

There is a business/economics program I am fairly sure. Point being you see cornell undergrads all over wall street and at the big tech giants in San fran- and the MBA program struggles in the rankings and students tend to not end up at top firms (generalizing of course).

It is an agricultural economics [or "Ag Ec"] program, which loosely correlates to what you'd find in a standard business curriculum. I don't believe that there is a business major, per se.

 

[Millhouse]

It is an agricultural economics [or "Ag Ec"] program, which loosely correlates to what you'd find in a standard business curriculum. I don't believe that there is a business major, per se.

3-4000 people graduate every year from cornell. they're really smart to begin with. well MOST are ahem. it shouldn't be a big surprise to good numbers of those people in wall st or silicon valley jobs

cornell has a very good graduate business school with a small enrollment that is highly ranked considering its location and relative inaccessibility from wall st recruiters.

 

[Alsacs]

You might find another cause for the decline in your statement

I blame my my phone for putting where on autocorrect when I wrote were. A lot of grammatical mistakes are from my phone changing my words after i write them and me not realizing it till after its posted.

 

[Timonen]

Getting an MPA from Maxwell was the best decision I've ever made in my life. (Not saying that to sound pretentious, just trying to compliment how great of a program it is).

i honestly found it a bit pretentious and am always shocked from a content-standpoint that it's the best out there (maybe just self-critical but honestly can't fathom that my less-than-brilliant resume got me in right after undergrad and that I did well there if it's really that great)...but it was a fantastic means to an end, the alumni take care of each other, and surrounding yourself with really smart/driven folks for 1.5 years definitely helps.

 

[OttoMets]

i honestly found it a bit pretentious and am always shocked from a content-standpoint that it's the best out there (maybe just self-critical but honestly can't fathom that my less-than-brilliant resume got me in right after undergrad and that I did well there if it's really that great)...but it was a fantastic means to an end, the alumni take care of each other, and surrounding yourself with really smart/driven folks for 1.5 years definitely helps.

This has had me scratching my head, too. In my three collegiate experiences, Maxwell (save for quant and that actual difficult stuff) was by far the easiest place to get an A. Both Colgate and the rightly criticized Syracuse law school required a ton more work and luck to achieve the same grades.

Maxwell offers a great experience, though. Interesting and helpful faculty and -- though there are certainly some weirdos -- a bunch of current and future stars among the student body; a lot of foreign governments send talented young employees to Maxwell to get an education.

 

[SU2NASA]

ACC Schools Ranking:

1. Duke 8
2. Notre Dame 16
3. U Virginia 23
4. Wake Forest 27
5. UNC 30
6. BC 31
7. Georgia Tech 35
8. U Miami 48
9. SYRACUSE 58
10. Clemson 62
10. Pitt 62
12. Virginia Tech 71
13. Florida State 95
13. NC State 95
15. Louisville 161

 

[SU2NASA]

This has had me scratching my head, too. In my three collegiate experiences, Maxwell (save for quant and that actual difficult stuff) was by far the easiest place to get an A. Both Colgate and the rightly criticized Syracuse law school required a ton more work and luck to achieve the same grades.

You should have tried engineering or architecture...

 

[Bornorange]

goal should be to get into the 30s. they need to get more selective./QUOTE]

Ok, but after my daughter gets accepted.

 

[shantydaze]

ACC rocks this list again for what the 8th year or so in a row? As for SU, time to step up.

Whenever a list like this comes out, I am always interested in looking at it from a conference perspective. The average ranking for the ACC and B1G are heads and shoulders above the other P5 conferences. If full time athletic members are counted (no ND for ACC, no Johns Hopkins for B1G, no University of Chicago for B1G), the averages are as follows:

ACC - 57.57
B1G - 59.2
Pac - 80.75
SEC - 100.07
XII - 112.9

If we add ND into the ACC mix, the average goes down to 54.8. If the ACC still had Maryland instead of the anchor that is Louisville, it would be at 48.2. If Johns Hopkins and Chicago were added to B1G, it would be 52.8. A more accurate count would be to count the CIC members though, which includes Chicago and not Hopkins, the B1G would be at 55.5. The loss of Maryland (62) and addition of Louisville (161) hurt and furthers my belief the ACC should have swallowed its pride and picked up UConn.

I was surprised that XII had a lower average than the SEC. Of course, the fact that the XII has the lowest rated school (West Virginia) was not entirely surprising. I figured it would be between WVU and one of the Mississippi schools.

 

[RF2044]

3-4000 people graduate every year from cornell. they're really smart to begin with. well MOST are ahem. it shouldn't be a big surprise to good numbers of those people in wall st or silicon valley jobs

cornell has a very good graduate business school with a small enrollment that is highly ranked considering its location and relative inaccessibility from wall st recruiters.

Present company excepted! ; )

 

[Xanadu]

Syracuse is a very strange school from an academic standpoint. From my experiences it's basically Newhouse, then everyone else (Maxwell for grad students is in the Newhouse camp).

Go into Newhouse and ask some students what their SAT scores are. In a class of 20 I am sure you would get at least 15 with a 1300 or better (out of the old 1600). Ask that same question to non-Newhouse students, and I can guarantee the answers would be significantly less (even scarily so). I knew some people who didn't even break 1000 that got into the liberal arts college.

Which is strange, because my Newhouse courses were waaaay easier than the classes I took outside of Newhouse. Also, I graduated with an Advertising and Political Science double major, so I did not just pull this out of my ass to praise Newhouse.

SAT scores don't mean all that much. It's a way for colleges to see how well you prepare for a test. I didn't prepare for mine and got a 1470 on three parts. I graduated SU with Summa Cum Laude. Colleges don't put much stock into it anymore for a reason. They're actually finding that people with lower SAT scores, especially from disadvantaged backgrounds, do better in college and their careers than people with high SAT scores.

 

[cuseinchina]

3-4000 people graduate every year from cornell. they're really smart to begin with. well MOST are ahem. it shouldn't be a big surprise to good numbers of those people in wall st or silicon valley jobs

cornell has a very good graduate business school with a small enrollment that is highly ranked considering its location and relative inaccessibility from wall st recruiters.

Relative to the quality of the undergrads, Johnson is not impressive at all. My buddy went there and lamented his peer group the whole time. Cornell undergrad is fantastic and it has some very strong phd and grad programs - hotel management is tops on the planet for example. But the kids in that business program in general do not land top jobs -- I know this because I hung out with a bunch of them through my friend. you'd be better off going to a state school program and spending 1/3 of the money.

Anyway that is not my point... my point is that leveraging Maxwell is a good idea and that you rarely find a top grad program that has a lousy undergrad program. The grad program is good because of the profs, the research, and the quality of their master and phd candidates - that trickles down to the undergrad population.

 

[cuseinchina]

ACC Schools Ranking:

1. Duke 8
2. Notre Dame 16
3. U Virginia 23
4. Wake Forest 27
5. UNC 30
6. BC 31
7. Georgia Tech 35
8. U Miami 48
9. SYRACUSE 58
10. Clemson 62
10. Pitt 62
12. Virginia Tech 71
13. Florida State 95
13. NC State 95
15. Louisville 161

We were always ahead of Miami in the rankings - sad to see them so far ahead of us now. I remember Miami gave me a much bigger scholarship than SU. My mom wouldn't let me go there though, she know I'd flunk out if I did. As it stood I spent a good 4.5 years and lots of summers at SU...Couldn't have dealt with Miami at that age.

 

[AlaskaSU]

My close relatives account for 2 BA's, a law degree and Maxwell MPA for me. Cantor devalued an SU diploma while wasting money that we don't have especially after blowing a big chunk of our endowment several years ago with boneheaded investments. It was a deadly mistake to hire a politically correct liberal crusader as Chancellor. Syracuse is not in a rock solid position that it can afford to pursue utopian dreams. I blame the trustees. It is their job to look after the university's best interests, but they hired someone whose highest priority is to meddle in social boondoggles.

 

[SmilinBob]

Whenever a list like this comes out, I am always interested in looking at it from a conference perspective. The average ranking for the ACC and B1G are heads and shoulders above the other P5 conferences. If full time athletic members are counted (no ND for ACC, no Johns Hopkins for B1G, no University of Chicago for B1G), the averages are as follows:

ACC - 57.57
B1G - 59.2
Pac - 80.75
SEC - 100.07
XII - 112.9

If we add ND into the ACC mix, the average goes down to 54.8. If the ACC still had Maryland instead of the anchor that is Louisville, it would be at 48.2. If Johns Hopkins and Chicago were added to B1G, it would be 52.8. A more accurate count would be to count the CIC members though, which includes Chicago and not Hopkins, the B1G would be at 55.5. The loss of Maryland (62) and addition of Louisville (161) hurt and furthers my belief the ACC should have swallowed its pride and picked up UConn.

I was surprised that XII had a lower average than the SEC. Of course, the fact that the XII has the lowest rated school (West Virginia) was not entirely surprising. I figured it would be between WVU and one of the Mississippi schools.

True but if the ACC can get Louisville to up the ante just look at how this would help the conference as a whole.