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[Millhouse]

Yeah Whitman unfortunately is not very good. It's a marketing school - whereas the good business schools are finance schools or leadership schools. Well unless you consider Northwestern which is a marketing school and is very very good. I feel like Whitman could be much better. As it stands, most of the kids I've mentored out of there have needed a whole lot of help to even be prepared for an interview --- there is no career focus.

Maxwell on the other hand is incredible - truly top notch. They make a big mistake housing the Maxwell majors in arts and sciences- it hurts the quality of the degree and the quality of student. The Maxwell brand can and should be leveraged much better than it is today.

they are protecting their brand by keeping dumb A&S majors out. it's no mistake

 

[Alsacs]

they are protecting their brand by keeping dumb A&S majors out. it's no mistake

Well then have the Maxwell school be like the Newhouse school and be selective. It sucks for Newhouse majors who are forced to have a second major with from a non-Newhouse school that we get screwed by the dumb A&S majors. If we didn't have to have a second major I wouldn't give a chit. However, Newhouse makes us and I did Poli-Sci and made damn sure I got my diploma signed by the Maxwell dean since I took most of my undrgrad classes with Maxwell professors.

 

[Millhouse]

Well then have the Maxwell school be like the Newhouse school and be selective. It sucks for Newhouse majors who are forced to have a second major with from a non-Newhouse school that we get screwed by the dumb A&S majors. If we didn't have to have a second major I wouldn't give a chit. However, Newhouse makes us and I did Poli-Sci and made damn sure I got my diploma signed by the Maxwell dean since I took most of my undrgrad classes with Maxwell professors.

there are other schools besides A&S. it's a good thing that newhouse makes people learn something other than journalism.

 

[Stevenson]

I honestly think this Chancellor will get it done. Goal should be low 40s. Interesting that we are now below Miami, Boston U., Northeastern, Pepperdine, and GWU. In the 90's SU was ranked higher than all of them and I believe they are still obtainable. Not as concerned with passing the huge state schools like PSU and UW. To a certain extent their rankings are driven by supply and demand economics and are not directly comparable to SU. As a side note, the VPI ranking has always surprised me, maybe its because I work in technology, but I would think VT would be stronger.

Anecdote: two years ago my nephew got into BU and didn't get into Syracuse

 

[cuseinchina]

they are protecting their brand by keeping dumb A&S majors out. it's no mistake

You are missing the point. If Maxwell had it's own udnergradaute program, it could get far better students. Another strong brand on campus that attracts top students would necessarily pull up our average GPA/SAT etc and would help the ranking.m It's not rocket science. It's cliché, but the university needs to go after low hanging fruit - the no brainer stuff like this that will have significant rapid impact. Then you work on the details later.

 

[sutomcat]

Hire a consultant from Northeastern. 10 years ago they weren't in the top 100 and now they're 42.
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

Wow, what a sad indictment of the rankings system...

 

[Millhouse]

You are missing the point. If Maxwell had it's own udnergradaute program, it could get far better students. Another strong brand on campus that attracts top students would necessarily pull up our average GPA/SAT etc and would help the ranking.m It's not rocket science. It's cliché, but the university needs to go after low hanging fruit - the no brainer stuff like this that will have significant rapid impact. Then you work on the details later.

nowhere to go but down for maxwell. they aren't going to want to get onboard with that

 

[cuseinchina]

nowhere to go but down for maxwell. they aren't going to want to get onboard with that

If I'm the chancellor it's the first thing I do. There is no reason why they can't make the undergrad program just a selective as say an undergrad business program at NYU or something like that. Admissions standards vary widely across academic programs.

 

[rottweiler44]

If I'm the chancellor it's the first thing I do. There is no reason why they can't make the undergrad program just a selective as say an undergrad business program at NYU or something like that. Admissions standards vary widely across academic programs.

I agree with this. Leverage the brand; it is there as are the top notch professors.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with this. Leverage the brand; it is there as are the top notch professors.

slapping the term maxwell on a bunch of average lectures might just bring down the brand. there's more to it than just the brand. some highly ranked graduate schools pay top dollar for a few great professors. it's not that unusual, it's not just maxwell. they don't just grow on trees and you can't magically have them teach more classes. there are real reasons why maxwell is highly thought of, their ranking is not just some lucky number.

 

[cuseinchina]

slapping the term maxwell on a bunch of average lectures might just bring down the brand. there's more to it than just the brand. some highly ranked graduate schools pay top dollar for a few great professors. it's not that unusual, it's not just maxwell. they don't just grow on trees and you can't magically have them teach more classes. there are real reasons why maxwell is highly thought of, their ranking is not just some lucky number.

The best schools are where the next great professors get their degrees from. It's the phd students who end up teaching the undergrads. When you have the best graduate program in the world in your field, your undergraduate program is going to be quite strong by default. Think of Wharton and then Wharton's undergrad program. There are countless examples.

sometimes you will see a school where the undergrad is strong and grad is weak - cornell business, Notre Dame business, Wisconsin investment management program etc. but in specialty schools you are rarely going to have a weak undergrad program if the grad program is top ranked.

 

[Trueblue25]

UB outside the top 100 and nearly 50 below SU.

Yeah.

Ok.

 

[GoSU96]

LeMoyne is below Geneseo. Alrighty then. Sham list.

Having been exposed to all of that the last couple of years and knowing a number of kids going to both schools, not a surprise at all.

 

[RF2044]

The best schools are where the next great professors get their degrees from. It's the phd students who end up teaching the undergrads. When you have the best graduate program in the world in your field, your undergraduate program is going to be quite strong by default. Think of Wharton and then Wharton's undergrad program. There are countless examples.

sometimes you will see a school where the undergrad is strong and grad is weak - cornell business, Notre Dame business, Wisconsin investment management program etc. but in specialty schools you are rarely going to have a weak undergrad program if the grad program is top ranked.

Is there a corresponding undergrad business program at Cornell? I know there's an Ag school, that operates a business-like curriculum. That's probably why there's a weak correlation between grad / undergrad.

 

[Millhouse]

Is there a corresponding undergrad business program at Cornell? I know there's an Ag school, that operates a business-like curriculum. That's probably why there's a weak correlation between grad / undergrad.

that's right, johnson school is grad only

 

[Lawrinson14]

Syracuse is a very strange school from an academic standpoint. From my experiences it's basically Newhouse, then everyone else (Maxwell for grad students is in the Newhouse camp).

Go into Newhouse and ask some students what their SAT scores are. In a class of 20 I am sure you would get at least 15 with a 1300 or better (out of the old 1600). Ask that same question to non-Newhouse students, and I can guarantee the answers would be significantly less (even scarily so). I knew some people who didn't even break 1000 that got into the liberal arts college.

Which is strange, because my Newhouse courses were waaaay easier than the classes I took outside of Newhouse. Also, I graduated with an Advertising and Political Science double major, so I did not just pull this out of my ass to praise Newhouse.

 

[Millhouse]

Syracuse is a very strange school from an academic standpoint. From my experiences it's basically Newhouse, then everyone else (Maxwell for grad students is in the Newhouse camp).

Go into Newhouse and ask some students what their SAT scores are. In a class of 20 I am sure you would get at least 15 with a 1300 or better (out of the old 1600). Ask that same question to non-Newhouse students, and I can guarantee the answers would be significantly less (even scarily so). I knew some people who didn't even break 1000 that got into the liberal arts college.

Which is strange, because my Newhouse courses were waaaay easier than the classes I took outside of Newhouse.

i have always preferred not talking to newhouse students if i can help it

 

[Lawrinson14]

i have always preferred not talking to newhouse students if i can help it

Ha, same here. Specifically the Broadcast Journalism guys.

 

[Alsacs]

Ha, same here. Specifically the Broadcast Journalism guys.

Hey now. I am a Broadcast grad and I treated all students the same. I will agree with you though about some Newhouse first year courses being a joke.

 

[RF2044]

it'll take some time to undo cantor's stupidity but they'll get it done

She really was a disaster in just about every sense.

 

[Lawrinson14]

Hey now. I am a Broadcast grad and I treated all students the same. I will agree with you though about some Newhouse first year courses being a joke.

Is that why most of your posts are in paragraphs and not sentences?

 

[Alsacs]

Is that why most of your posts are in paragraphs and not sentences?

Good one my sentence/paragraph structure for me on this is site is not as good as it should be. Prof. grimes would give me an . Were you in Newhouse under Dean Rubin?

 

[syr02esq]

Tied with SMU and UConn. Yuck!

 

[SU2NASA]

Newhouse: not exactly rocket science.

 

[SmilinBob]

ACC rocks this list again for what the 8th year or so in a row? As for SU, time to step up.