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bigmike said:
Devo said on the radio this past week that the teams he was on would be fighting at practice regularly- that’s how competitive they and the practices were. I cannot picture this team doing that.
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It's been reported a multitude of times that in JB's later years he didn't want to coach any more Devos. He wanted compliant guys who made his life easy.

Personally, I think the mistake JB made was equating guys who were off-the-court headaches (e.g. Louis McCroskey) with guys who were on-the-court dawgs (e.g. Trevor Cooney).

If you look at his last few rosters it was evident he largely eschewed both of those kinds of players. We haven't been a tough team in a long, long time.
 
Scooch said:
It's been reported a multitude of times that in JB's later years he didn't want to coach any more Devos. He wanted compliant guys who made his life easy.

Personally, I think the mistake JB made was equating guys who were off-the-court headaches (e.g. Louis McCroskey) with guys who were on-the-court dawgs (e.g. Trevor Cooney).

If you look at his last few rosters it was evident he largely eschewed both of those kinds of players. We haven't been a tough team in a long, long time.
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I think AAU ball has killed the Cooney's at the top level of high school and prep basketball. Its not rewarded to be an in the trenches type player. You're starting to see some resurgence with the portal because players who got overlooked for not being AAU ball hogs are getting a chance to shine at the lower levels and then move up.
 
On Saturday, my daughter had a dance competition that morning, and it didn't get done until right after 11 CST [noon eastern]. When I got outside, I slapped the game on Sirius XM -- I'd only missed the first 6 minutse or so, and we were up something like 10-2, but then promptly gave up a 14-2 run. Awesome.

So as I drove home, I listened to most of the first half in the car. The broadcast team was from UVa [the only broadcast I could find]. Their color guy made a comment that was something like [paraphrasing]: "when we play teams like this, all it takes is to make the extra pass, and the defense breaks down and we carve them up. This is too easy."

Spoke volumes.
 
RF2044 said:
On Saturday, my daughter had a dance competition that morning, and it didn't get done until right after 11 CST [noon eastern]. When I got outside, I slapped the game on Sirius XM -- I'd only missed the first 6 minutse or so, and we were up something like 10-2, but then promptly gave up a 14-2 run. Awesome.

So as I drove home, I listened to most of the first half in the car. The broadcast team was from UVa [the only broadcast I could find]. Their color guy made a comment that was something like [paraphrasing]: "when we play teams like this, all it takes is to make the extra pass, and the defense breaks down and we carve them up. This is too easy."

Spoke volumes.
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UVa went on a 12-0 run without us taking a timeout. And that was it.
 
Marsh01 said:
I still dont know why they just dont cut Red loose now. Rip off the damn band aid and start building this program back up brick by brick.
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IF, and it's a big IF, they cut him loose before the end of the season, I predict it will happen after the 2/21 game vs UNC. Only three games will be left in the season. The first two are on the road and then the last game of the season is home vs. Pitt, and Cuse will have a full week after UNC until the next game.That's assuming Duke and UNC are both losses and at least one of Cal/SMU. It's all over but the crying at that point.

No matter what, there might only be seven home games left in Red's regime at the most, because there is a chance we are one of three that don't make the ACCT. But, that's hard to gauge because five teams have only two wins and we have four. And we still play two of those five.
 
RF2044 said:
On Saturday, my daughter had a dance competition that morning, and it didn't get done until right after 11 CST [noon eastern]. When I got outside, I slapped the game on Sirius XM -- I'd only missed the first 6 minutse or so, and we were up something like 10-2, but then promptly gave up a 14-2 run. Awesome.

So as I drove home, I listened to most of the first half in the car. The broadcast team was from UVa [the only broadcast I could find]. Their color guy made a comment that was something like [paraphrasing]: "when we play teams like this, all it takes is to make the extra pass, and the defense breaks down and we carve them up. This is too easy."

Spoke volumes.
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That’s such an indictment of our defense and offense since good teams like Virginia, UNC and uh, Boston College use the extra pass to regularly pick us apart, leading to open threes or driving the lane with ease while our offense is pretty much incapable or unwilling to do the same.
 
STEVEHOLT said:
The talent and the coaching are lacking.

How many big time teams have zero inside presence ? Sure most teams are perimeter oriented, but you can’t have a front line of 6-6-6-9 string beans and expect to compete at the highest level.

Freeman is a skilled player with height but no strength .

Kyle is an undersized 5 with great athleticism but no actual basketball skill

Kings is a shooter who can’t create a shot

JJ is….JJ is…I don’t know what he is . He’s the most difficulty to characterize player of recent
memory.

George is a slow footed pg with mediocre handle and shooting

White is seriously over ranked running and jumping athlete without skill

Anthony is the converse of white

The team is the proverbial island of misfit toys

The coach is a net negative.

But I’m not buying the hype that this is a tourney team with even a decent coach
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Nbc Noice GIF by Law & Order
 
cliftonparksufan said:
IF, and it's a big IF, they cut him loose before the end of the season, I predict it will happen after the 2/21 game vs UNC. Only three games will be left in the season. The first two are on the road and then the last game of the season is home vs. Pitt, and Cuse will have a full week after UNC until the next game.That's assuming Duke and UNC are both losses and at least one of Cal/SMU. It's all over but the crying at that point.

No matter what, there might only be seven home games left in Red's regime at the most, because there is a chance we are one of three that don't make the ACCT. But, that's hard to gauge because five teams have only two wins and we have four. And we still play two of those five.
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I predicted that a few weeks ago back ha. Agree though.

I think they’ll want Pitt to be a nice send off. Last home game.
 
CaliOtto said:
That’s such an indictment of our defense and offense since good teams like Virginia, UNC and uh, Boston College use the extra pass to regularly pick us apart, leading to open threes or driving the lane with ease while our offense is pretty much incapable or unwilling to do the same.
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The defense went out the window when the guys realized that the offense couldn’t score and they also realized the staff was clueless.

Teams will play hard for a coach when they believe in them which is what we saw in November. After Hofstra and BC that belief went out the window.
 
RF2044 said:
On Saturday, my daughter had a dance competition that morning, and it didn't get done until right after 11 CST [noon eastern]. When I got outside, I slapped the game on Sirius XM -- I'd only missed the first 6 minutse or so, and we were up something like 10-2, but then promptly gave up a 14-2 run. Awesome.

So as I drove home, I listened to most of the first half in the car. The broadcast team was from UVa [the only broadcast I could find]. Their color guy made a comment that was something like [paraphrasing]: "when we play teams like this, all it takes is to make the extra pass, and the defense breaks down and we carve them up. This is too easy."

Spoke volumes.
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I guess phrases like Level 5 and Syracuse Standard really aren't strategies.
A good coach is a student of the game and a teacher. Red doesn't appear to be either.
 
Scooch said:
It's been reported a multitude of times that in JB's later years he didn't want to coach any more Devos. He wanted compliant guys who made his life easy.

Personally, I think the mistake JB made was equating guys who were off-the-court headaches (e.g. Louis McCroskey) with guys who were on-the-court dawgs (e.g. Trevor Cooney).

If you look at his last few rosters it was evident he largely eschewed both of those kinds of players. We haven't been a tough team in a long, long time.
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Arinze and Rick, Dion and Scoop, Paul Harris and Jonny Flynn, Devo. Those were our last legitimately tough guys. Maybe Tyus Battle could be added to the list.
 
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STEVEHOLT said:
but he didnt throw a punch we were told. we are blind to what we saw. it was a mass delusion.
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That was the day I truly gave up trying to have objective discussions with a few posters.
 

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