We got a 2021 Roster !!!

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If they are concerned than they will make the necessary moves. Right now it seems like they are not.

Agreed. Hopefully, they are right.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The DT's

McKinley Williams, 270
Curtis Harper, 296
Joe Rondi, 268
Terry Lockett, 261

Oof. I guess athleticism is what the staff is looking for. But we only put 3 guys on the line to begin with!

Curtis is the only guy who wants to eat

Darton 278, Black 285 and curious what Moss hits campus at as well.

Will be more interesting to see where all the DL come in weight wise in August. We talk about WRs cross training, the entire DL may be as well.

Figure we do need some beef for goal line and 3rd and short sets though unless the answer is simply "blitz".

 

[crales44]

Darton 278, Black 285 and curious what Moss hits campus at as well.

Will be more interesting to see where all the DL come in weight wise in August. We talk about WRs cross training, the entire DL may be as well.

Figure we do need some beef for goal line and 3rd and short sets though unless the answer is simply "blitz".

Don't get too excited about Moss hitting campus.

 

[orangepassion]

Don't get too excited about Moss hitting campus.

Think he needs to hit the books first

 

[orangepassion]

I keep telling some of you that big DT's that can't move do no good in this defense. Every thing the staff has shown points towards more quicker explosive D Lineman. Not sure why people are surprised by this.

And Dino said as much on his show this year. Just hope it works.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[721Comstock]

Taj will somehow have lost another 10 lbs.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Don't get too excited about Moss hitting campus.

That's a shame. Geer and Fuentes good to go?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The Amazing Peskin...

 

[GoSU96]

Mass exodus

there will probably be more to follow

 

[RandomGuy]

Mass exodus

there will probably be more to follow

Seriously, though, how many is that? 12, 13?

Edit. Just checked. 15.

 

[GoSU96]

Seriously, though, how many is that? 12, 13?

Who knows.

There will be guys that know they are going to be outside of the two deep that are probably going to consider going somewhere else. That was the case for the guys that left before. That will always make up the majority of kids that leave,

it also frees up spots and gives you a chance to keep raising the floor on the roster

this is strictly hypothetical but if adams, rtb, or petry left, would it have a big impact on the program?

 

[RandomGuy]

this is strictly hypothetical but if adams, rtb, or petry left, would it have a big impact on the program?

Those 3 are all good players. Seeing as they are more developed,? Yes, I believe that would affect the program. Incoming frosh would almost certainly be behind, and the overall competition level would drop. Maybe you hit on a replacement, maybe you don't, but the healthier the competition, top to bottom, the better.

 

[RF2044]

Who knows.

There will be guys that know they are going to be outside of the two deep that are probably going to consider going somewhere else. That was the case for the guys that left before. That will always make up the majority of kids that leave,

it also frees up spots and gives you a chance to keep raising the floor on the roster

this is strictly hypothetical but if adams, rtb, or petry left, would it have a big impact on the program?

Makes sense -- guys always leave after spring practice, when they aren't pleased with where they are i the pecking order.

Would just free up a few more spots to mine transfer options.

 

[Orijinal]

Man, it's like you guys cheer for transfers out of the program. This program needs consistency, not transfers. I hope no one leaves to "free up spots."

And I hope none of the names mentioned read this thread

 

[RF2044]

Man, it's like you guys cheer for transfers out of the program. This program needs consistency, not transfers. I hope no one leaves to "free up spots."

And I hope none of the names mentioned read this thread

What are you talking about? Nobody is "cheering." But attrition happens every year, for a variety of reasons, whether you want it to or not.

And not everybody that leaves is a "loss." There is an upside to having roster spots available during the one year where there are no transfer-related sitting out restrictions.

 

[CbusCuse]

Deep depth guys leaving this year doesn't hurt us much at all. We have a larger roster with all of the guys that have additional years to the COVID situation. But in future years it seems like it will affect us more an more as those extra year guys leave the program. As long as the NCAA keeps the limit of additions to the program at 25 guys you can't really just plug another guy in their place. Taking a transfer counts toward the 25 limit. We always take about 25 guys a class anyway. If the new transfer rules remain long term and we start having more players leave than what is typical it will start to negatively affect us. I'd say in general we really don't want players to leave unless they really will not contribute in any way. I would guess we would need to start replacing them with additional walk ons for practice depth.

 

[Orijinal]

What are you talking about? Nobody is "cheering." But attrition happens every year, for a variety of reasons, whether you want it to or not.

And not everybody that leaves is a "loss." There is an upside to having roster spots available during the one year where there are no transfer-related sitting out restrictions.

There are no longer any sitting restrictions...this year or any year after. It's out the window.

Having kids transfer out of the program is a huge loss for depth and experience in the system. What if tailback 3 and 4 leave the program this year for "greener pastures?"

That leaves us at, what, 2 deep for scholarship RB's? If we only had numbers like that last year, we can't finish the season. You need 4 good backs to get through.

This transfer portal stuff is not free agency, but everyone somehow feels it will be like that ...player A leaves ...well, we'll just find someone just as good in the portal. Really? That's to be determined.

I'm arguing for depth, experience, and consistency

Anyway, I just get irritated with all the talk about, "well, we'll have transfers and that's okay because certain players are expendable and we'll get other ones in the portal." I think it will lead to a watered down football program ...or any collegiate program for that matter.

I hope I am really, truly wrong

 

[721Comstock]

There are no longer any sitting restrictions...this year or any year after. It's out the window.

Having kids transfer out of the program is a huge loss for depth and experience in the system. What if tailback 3 and 4 leave the program this year for "greener pastures?"

That leaves us at, what, 2 deep for scholarship RB's? If we only had numbers like that last year, we can't finish the season. You need 4 good backs to get through.

This transfer portal stuff is not free agency, but everyone somehow feels it will be like that ...player A leaves ...well, we'll just find someone just as good in the portal. Really? That's to be determined.

I'm arguing for depth, experience, and consistency

Anyway, I just get irritated with all the talk about, "well, we'll have transfers and that's okay because certain players are expendable and we'll get other ones in the portal." I think it will lead to a watered down football program ...or any collegiate program for that matter.

I hope I am really, truly wrong

Did AET, Koda, and Trishton “water down” our program?

More guys are gonna transfer than ever before, because they can.
It’s the new paradigm.

You’re always looking to upgrade your talent via recruiting, development, and transfers.

I can’t really blame guys for wanting more opportunity, if they can’t get it at their current program.

 

[Orijinal]

I would say the players you mentioned came in before this new era of zero restrictions transfer.

Not everyone can start. There's something to be said about waiting your turn, growing, and developing, and becoming an even better player for it.

I fear this new rule just opens a can for players to move on because they feel entitled to playing time, and miss opportunities to become and even better player by persevering and contributing to the team you originally committed to. As such,, I would have been in favor of lifting transfer restrictions for only juniors and seniors. But nothing more than that

 

[RandomGuy]

I would say the players you mentioned came in before this new era of zero restrictions transfer.

Not everyone can start. There's something to be said about waiting your turn, growing, and developing, and becoming an even better player for it.

I fear this new rule just opens a can for players to move on because they feel entitled to playing time, and miss opportunities to become and even better player by persevering and contributing to the team you originally committed to. As such,, I would have been in favor of lifting transfer restrictions for only juniors and seniors. But nothing more than that

My guess, is most of the motion will be downward. Our impatient guys will more than likely move down, G5, FCS. Blue chip transfers will likely move to non blue chips.

Depending on how it goes? There may be additional incentives for guys that would wait, to move down. Hope not. While it may help with quality 1s, we may take a hit on depth.

Guy sitting behind an early round draft pick, says screw it, and hits the portal. Cool. We get him. Now our former starter says buhh bye. Our #2 says I'm. Not waiting for that to happen to me... I think the 1s may get better across the spectrum, but depth may suffer

 

[SuFTW]

There are no longer any sitting restrictions...this year or any year after. It's out the window.

Having kids transfer out of the program is a huge loss for depth and experience in the system. What if tailback 3 and 4 leave the program this year for "greener pastures?"

That leaves us at, what, 2 deep for scholarship RB's? If we only had numbers like that last year, we can't finish the season. You need 4 good backs to get through.

This transfer portal stuff is not free agency, but everyone somehow feels it will be like that ...player A leaves ...well, we'll just find someone just as good in the portal. Really? That's to be determined.

I'm arguing for depth, experience, and consistency

Anyway, I just get irritated with all the talk about, "well, we'll have transfers and that's okay because certain players are expendable and we'll get other ones in the portal." I think it will lead to a watered down football program ...or any collegiate program for that matter.

I hope I am really, truly wrong

3 running backs. Tucker, Lutz, Hough.

 

[RF2044]

There are no longer any sitting restrictions...this year or any year after. It's out the window.

Having kids transfer out of the program is a huge loss for depth and experience in the system. What if tailback 3 and 4 leave the program this year for "greener pastures?"

That leaves us at, what, 2 deep for scholarship RB's? If we only had numbers like that last year, we can't finish the season. You need 4 good backs to get through.

This transfer portal stuff is not free agency, but everyone somehow feels it will be like that ...player A leaves ...well, we'll just find someone just as good in the portal. Really? That's to be determined.

I'm arguing for depth, experience, and consistency

Anyway, I just get irritated with all the talk about, "well, we'll have transfers and that's okay because certain players are expendable and we'll get other ones in the portal." I think it will lead to a watered down football program ...or any collegiate program for that matter.

I hope I am really, truly wrong

It doesn't matter what you're arguing for -- it's an unrealistic point of view. In a perfect fantasy world, every recruit we bring in upgrades the talent base, they aren't rushed onto the field / have time to learn the system, they patient wait behind more experienced players, and then when their time comes to hit the field their readiness is optimized to make them contributors.

But that isn't the way things work in reality for a program like ours.

Not every recruit / player pans out. And even if they ARE guys the staff would like to keep around, players have agency to decide for themselves whether to stay or go -- and now with the restriction of having to sit out a year lifted, the compulsion to head for greener pastures is consequence free for players. Some get homesick. Some decide that they want to transfer closer to home. Some decide to go down a level in search of more bountiful PT. And every once in awhile, someone who is a contributor [example - Hackett] decides to leave, too.

And no amount of handwringing is going to change that there will be player departures every off-season -- some expected, some unexpected. And some of those guys may have been guys who would have emerged as contributors, while others might not.

There isn't a poster on here who doesn't want improved depth. Most recognize that we aren't a factory, and that development is key. But holding places for dead weight is counterproductive. And lamenting those that leave is similarly worthless.

The "risk" vis a vis roster management of guys leaving is that we can replace them. OF COURSE, who we replace them WITH determines whether we traded up or down.

I honestly don't think our opinions are that far off. It's why I always shake my head when I see posters' plan of attack for filling a key position of need with -- "let's go get some JUCOs."

 

[PhatOrange]

Sometimes attrition has a bigger negative impact on practice competition/reps than anything.