Well, this is interesting

[SWC75]

by who...the big 5 now.

Emmert will not

I was describing what was possible and what i wanted to see, not Emmert.

 

[retro44]

for one, I said most likely... Reality is THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS IN THIS COUNTRY and liberty city is not the Hamptons and players have always find their way home.Sure if you give the players a lumpsum on Feb. 1st. they might have the money to fly home,but if given monthly I highly doubt they would save it up. I am not the one who brought liberty city into this to make a point and that is also stereotyping that all players are poor

"I'm not stereotyping!" Next sentence "I'm stereotyping their ability to save lump sums!"[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly believe that by giving athletes and "NOT" students X amount of dollars a semester would stop the cheating boosters and staffs from giving more?

And how do you personally feel on how the NCAA does this in a way that won't cause lawsuits from others. This will only enrich the lawyers. Do you think the MAC conference players will accept the fact they will now be viewed as not as worthy to receive a stipend like the richer schools give even though they work just as hard as the others?

This whole cash stipend thing is very bad for a lot of power 5 schools too.

Do you think the Northwestern lawsuit on the right to Unionized will help their cause.

I don't look at things as only as a Syracuse fan...I took off my glasses a long time ago.

And by you who keeps to typing "stereotyping" repeatedly and not by bringing any solutions or other opinions to the table is only looking for a fight, not answers.

Do you also think it is fair That a Winston could eat up $60,000 of a student fund to help students in distress for a private insurance fund?

Maybe if you were paying a kid's full tuition out of pocket to attend a school for a chemical engineering degree like I am you might feel a little different.

I just spent two years working a SUNY school who plays d-3 football and I saw how well these kids were fed and taken care of. All the players had to do was tell the cafeteria staff they will need a late snack and brown bags were filled with subs/other things and snacks and were giving to them.

 

[suloyalfan]

Can you tell me who is getting rich off of the players' backs at the universities?

There's an alternative, it's called don't play. No one's forcing them to carry that cross.

And universities are non-profits. Again, who at the university is getting rich? The Athletic Director and coaches? Anyone else?

Someone is making money on these "revenue" sports or else the university wouldn't be supporting all of the expense of having those athletic programs. Why would these universities and those in charge spend all of these resources just to break even or lose money. That's absurd. Are the coaches and Athletic Directors driving these universities to keep these sports just to finance their yachts and mansions? I think not. Someone tied to the universities are making alot of money off these teams, regardless of what their accounting tells you.

 

[Scooch]

Don't be surprised if the P5 band together as one league and arrange a TV deal like the pros do (kind of full circle, but if it nets more $$, the schools will do it).

I would be surprised because the members of the P5 conferences can't agree on whether it's day or night, let alone be capable of putting aside their inherent petty self-interests.

But, that's exactly what they should do. Add another 12-15 schools to the 65 to include the other programs that have value, and then blow up the conference model and realign by logical geographic divisions.

High side estimate of that happening? 0%

 

[TheCusian]

Do you honestly believe that by giving athletes and "NOT" students X amount of dollars a semester would stop the cheating boosters and staffs from giving more?

No. But that's not what we've been talking about. We've been talking about the inherent gap between what football players earn for their institution and the "infrastructure" around the sport - and what they actually get in return.

And how do you personally feel on how the NCAA does this in a way that won't cause lawsuits from others. This will only enrich the lawyers. Do you think the MAC conference players will accept the fact they will now be viewed as not as worthy to receive a stipend like the richer schools give even though they work just as hard as the others?

I think MAC conference players had the same opportunity to play for Ohio State that the Ohio State players have - but they weren't good enough to earn a scholarship there. Just like current FCS players can't bring a lawsuit vs FBS schools because they have a nicer locker room. It's merit based.

This whole cash stipend thing is very bad for a lot of power 5 schools too.

Not sure how you can know this without a stipend deal on the table or without having access to schools internal numbers.

Do you think the Northwestern lawsuit on the right to Unionized will help their cause.

I think this mitigates some of the concerns that players have. For now. It's something to watch.

I don't look at things as only as a Syracuse fan...I took off my glasses a long time ago.

And by you who keeps to typing "stereotyping" repeatedly and not by bringing any solutions or other opinions to the table is only looking for a fight, not answers.

Sigh. Not trying to pick a fight, trying to talk about the issue at hand. And holding you accountable for putting your foot in your mouth about "most" and "probably" when talking about student athletes who grew up poor.

Do you also think it is fair That a Winston could eat up $60,000 of a student fund to help students in distress for a private insurance fund?

Nope. I don't like it - that's why I'm for the autonomy move by the conferences - there could be a way to make it make more sense.

Maybe if you were paying a kid's full tuition out of pocket to attend a school for a chemical engineering degree like I am you might feel a little different.

Maybe. I'm still paying for diapers.

I just spent two years working a SUNY school who plays d-3 football and I saw how well these kids were fed and taken care of. All the players had to do was tell the cafeteria staff they will need a late snack and brown bags were filled with subs/other things and snacks and were giving to them.

Food is one way kids get compensated and there is a cost for that. Scholarship and living arrangements are the others. But at some point in the last 20 years, the growth of CFB has widened the gap to the point where it makes sense to allow for more of that money to trickle into the players hands.

 

[HtownOrange]

But, that's exactly what they should do. Add another 12-15 schools to the 65 to include the other programs that have value, and then blow up the conference model and realign by logical geographic divisions.

High side estimate of that happening? 0%

WHOA, BUDDY! STOP RIGHT THERE! We are talking about the NCAA and if it would work, it cannot happen. I like the idea, makes sense, and you could have 8 divisions with 10 teams playing everyone in their respective division once annually then an 8 team playoff with the winners of each of the 8 divisions. Close rivalries, fans could drive to most games. Zero chance.

 

[retro44]

Cusian... I get it that some players are born in poverty, but when they are on campus they are not living in poverty. They actually have conditions and meal options better than most students.

Just look at Oregon's buffet they have for the athletes.

Who I am sticking up for are the students who were born in poverty paying for their education who don't have the special treatment big time college players receive. These kids are struggling for real meals at times.

I just took my kid back to Buffalo for his last week of summer school. My wife cooked and packed some food for him and when he opened their fridge and saw I how empty the it was I took him straight over to tops by the North Campus on main street and bought more food for the house...even dog food for otter.

Some athletes no matter where in life they are,they always will have a sense of entitlement by the system they were brought up in and by the street agents.

Read this and tell if this guy is stereotyping....http://espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/020919.html

 

[TheCusian]

Cusian... I get it that some players are born in poverty, but when they are on campus they are not living in poverty. They actually have conditions and meal options better than most students. Just look at Oregon's buffet they have for the athletes. Who I am sticking up for are the students who were born in poverty paying for their education who don't have the special treatment big time college players receive. These kids are struggling for real meals at times. I just took my kid back to Buffalo for his last week of summer school. My wife cooked and packed some food for him and when he opened their fridge and saw I how empty the it was I took him straight over to tops by the North Campus on main street and bought more food for the house...even dog food for otter. Some athletes no matter where in life they are,they always will have a sense of entitlement by the system they were brought up in and by the street agents. Read this and tell if this guy is stereotyping...http://espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/020919.html

I hear you on that. Athletes can be the most entitled people on the planet. I don't think it's that they deserve more because they play a sport - I think it's that they deserve a bigger piece of a very lucrative pie that they help earn.

It would be great if our societies values were re-jiggered to not drop so much money on what amounts to a meaningless activity (that I love - little hypocrisy here) and it were used in a way that made things more equal and fair.

 

[CuseOnly]

are saying this only pertains to Syracuse Degrees...what about the sham degrees of UNC.

I KNOW ONE PLAYER WHO LEFT SYRACUSE BECAUSE THE STAFF WANTED TO FORCE HIM TO TAKE GENERAL STUDIES AND HE WANTED A REAL DEGREE...FIRST HAND ALSO.

When he first brought it up I thought he was transferring due to a position change ,but when he told me it had to do more with academics I fully agreed with him. All because we are Syracuse doesn't mean we are above everyone else.

And as much as some people like to slam Greg Robinson he let the players take the majors they wanted,as for the next staff...well...

peoples need to get real about big time college sports

Why are you trying to put words into my mouth? Of course it does not only pertain to SU degrees but all schools. As long as you have a degree, most jobs don't go back and look at your GPA or the course load but just that you have it. As far as a sham degree from UNC, if that were the way that prospective employers viewed degrees from there, UNC wouldn't have 30K enrollees.

You are using 1 example of a player that you know about first hand and stereotypes to make your point. Clearly not the norm and you know this.

 

[SU2NASA]

Someone is making money on these "revenue" sports or else the university wouldn't be supporting all of the expense of having those athletic programs. Why would these universities and those in charge spend all of these resources just to break even or lose money. That's absurd. Are the coaches and Athletic Directors driving these universities to keep these sports just to finance their yachts and mansions? I think not. Someone tied to the universities are making alot of money off these teams, regardless of what their accounting tells you.

Please tell me who these mystery people are.

 

[SWC75]

Please tell me who these mystery people are.

One thing I can offer: after we went to the basketball title game in the spring of 1987 and the football team went undefeated the next fall, applications for admission to the schools were up 31% the following fall. The largest previous increase since World War II had been 13%. When asked how the applicants first started considering Syracuse, the majority of them said it was the success of the football and basketball teams. That's got to translate into big bucks for the school. The power of advertising.