What has Benny done to deserve...

[cuseincincy]

I hate to repeat but Benny Williams, 5th year senior from Cornell would not be on the Syracuse roster. Jimmy Boeheim freshman, 4 star from IMG would be playing 35 min per game on this team.

 

[Col. Bleep]

So, the answer seems to be that Benny hasn't shown much indicating he deserves to play beyond athleticism.
And the only reason to have him out there seems to be to help him develop and to try to prevent any transferring.

 

[Cuse#1]

It's impossible to be more specific.

" ... not good enough to play pro ball anywhere".

Had more than 1 comma so i didnt know what statement u were referring too.
Some league out there but not in the states

 

[OrangeDW]

That is a tough one and a bit revisionist. We all wanted QG back before the news and his desire being to be a shooter( which his usage at Oregon shows otherwise). QG and Bras returning I doubt would have folks clamoring for Jimmy but that's just my view.

I’d take any combination of QG, Braswell, and Woody over Jimmy and Cole.

I could be fine with Cole as a replacement for Bras if he really wanted out regardless, or for Woody.

I’d be fine with Jimmy coming to come off the bench, with QG back(which is what many’s selling point on here was….he’d bring depth and experience - lol).

How it worked out was a bigtime downgrade overall. It’s just not a good combination to have two unathletic(for this level) forwards in the game together for most of the game.

 

[OrangeDW]

So, the answer seems to be that Benny hasn't shown much indicating he deserves to play beyond athleticism.
And the only reason to have him out there seems to be to help him develop and to try to prevent any transferring.

And the argument for JBA getting 10 minutes last night is?? While Benny played two.

Benny should’ve at least played 12. JBA should not play over Benny.

 

[djcon57]

So, the answer seems to be that Benny hasn't shown much indicating he deserves to play beyond athleticism.
And the only reason to have him out there seems to be to help him develop and to try to prevent any transferring.

Nope...at the risk of repeating myself...

1) He plays better defense than Jimmy based on analytical breakdowns like DBPM which is what I posted in my first post aka “fact based arguments”. Stats like avg almost 2 blocks per 40 are interesting to see what he would do with more mins. Jimmy’s conference block % is 0.0 percent. That’s unfathomable for a d1 starting forward

2) we are losing games due to defense per the head coach.

3) he deserves a shot for more mins to see if an improvement in defense at the forward position helps the team improve on the floor.

4) no one “deserves” anything on a 9 and 11 team.

 

[TrickySU]

Nope...at the risk of repeating myself...

1) He plays better defense than Jimmy based on analytical breakdowns like DBPM which is what I posted in my first post aka “fact based arguments”. Stats like avg almost 2 blocks per 40 are interesting to see what he would do with more mins. Jimmy’s conference block % is 0.0 percent. That’s unfathomable for a d1 starting forward

2) we are losing games due to defense per the head coach.

3) he deserves a shot for more mins to see if an improvement in defense at the forward position helps the team improve on the floor.

4) no one “deserves” anything on a 9 and 11 team.

Is there a place to see DBPM or some of the analytical breakdowns? I'm curious to look more into them.

Separate from comparing Benny vs. Jimmy or Cole or anyone else, I think Benny's rebounding numbers are a bit of a surprise is a disappointing way. Looked back at some of the games Benny played a lot in and he didn't attack the glass or position himself well. I think or at least would hope that's something easy to work on and get some easy points on putbacks.

 

[djcon57]

Is there a place to see DBPM or some of the analytical breakdowns? I'm curious to look more into them.

Separate from comparing Benny vs. Jimmy or Cole or anyone else, I think Benny's rebounding numbers are a bit of a surprise is a disappointing way. Looked back at some of the games Benny played a lot in and he didn't attack the glass or position himself well. I think or at least would hope that's something easy to work on and get some easy points on putbacks.

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...and 100 percent agree that Benny has been completely disappointing on the boards. he looks confused on what to do on the boards in the zone many times.

 

[djcon57]

Ah yes, notoriously "watching film" is more beneficial to a player's improvement than actually adjusting to the speed of the game, which happens by, ya know, playing. Yikes.

Former NBA player Etan Thomas agrees with your assessment:

 

[two3zone]

Former NBA player Etan Thomas agrees with your assessment:

How tall is Etan?

Joking aside, this is a lot that has been said around here, I agree with him 100%.

 

[OrangeDW]

How tall is Etan?

Joking aside, this is a lot that has been said around here, I agree with him 100%.

Pretty crazy that we played Marek at Center last year when we had Jesse.

Sure he got better, but from a guy who rarely played much of the year to best player on the team?? Come on.

He could’ve been a solid contributor last year.

 

[Alsacs]

Former NBA player Etan Thomas agrees with your assessment:

Etan is literally saying what I and many have said.

Jesse couldn’t play last year because we can’t play guys non superstar minutes.

Alan could have taken some SG minutes.
Marek would have taken some more forward minutes.
Quincy and the whole rotation is longer and better.

Instead its one size fits all and no rotations. Just one player per position.

 

[two3zone]

Etan is literally saying what I and many have said.

Jesse couldn’t play last year because we can’t play guys non superstar minutes.

Alan could have taken some SG minutes.
Marek would have taken some more forward minutes.
Quincy and the whole rotation is longer and better.

Instead its one size fits all and no rotations. Just one player per position.

What id like to see if the people who have trashed these opinions when posters were saying it reply to Etan about this or what their takes are now.

 

[Alsacs]

Pretty crazy that we played Marek at Center last year when we had Jesse.

Sure he got better, but from a guy who rarely played much of the year to best player on the team?? Come on.

He could’ve been a solid contributor last year.

It was negligence.
But Buddy had to play 35+
So we can’t sit one of Alan, Quincy or Marek.
So play Marek at 5 no reason to sub except a couple minutes per game and say Jesse is not ready.

It’s just not unrealistic to say this.

 

[OrangeDW]

It was negligence.
But Buddy had to play 35+
So we can’t sit one of Alan, Quincy or Marek.
So play Marek at 5 no reason to sub except a couple minutes per game and say Jesse is not ready.

It’s just not unrealistic to say this.

People talk about the sweet 16 run like it was so amazing….we should’ve been a better team all year. We had talent. Most of it should be back, and we should be good this year. There’s no reason we have to be so bad. I don’t chalk it up to bad luck.

 

[phil77]

but but but but ..... LOL It is clear as day everyone is saying it but a couple are unwilling to accept it.

 

[Alsacs]

People talk about the sweet 16 run like it was so amazing….we should’ve been a better team all year. We had talent. Most of it should be back, and we should be good this year. There’s no reason we have to be so bad. I don’t chalk it up to bad luck.

If we literally brought everyone but Marek back this year. We are a top 25 team.

It just is.

 

[Cusefan0307]

People talk about the sweet 16 run like it was so amazing….we should’ve been a better team all year. We had talent. Most of it should be back, and we should be good this year. There’s no reason we have to be so bad. I don’t chalk it up to bad luck.

I remember specifically saying Edwards needed more time after he played well against Miami in mid January. It took until late February for him to be a regular part of the rotation.

Theres no doubt in my mind we win 3 or 4 more games had he, unnamed pg, and Braswell got more time earlier in the season.

And even if Griffin left and everyone else is back this year we are probably the second best team in the conference.

The roster management and continuity have been awful.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Just want to know what he has shown this season? You may think he should play more. Fine. It would be nice to see. I just want to hear without talking about other players, what has Benny himself done that has shown he should play more. If your answer is only that he can't be worse than the other guys, fine. But that doesn't mean he has shown he deserves to play. That's my only point.

To paraphrase Clint Eastwood in “Unforgiven”:
“Deserves got nothing to do with it “.
No one, I repeat, NO ONE on this team, minus maybe Jesse or Symir, “deserves the PT they’ve been getting.
We’re a bad team, with a bad lineup, an out-of-touch HC who seems to be favoring certain players over others. That’s what we are.
Benny is a promising player who, if he hasn’t already left the reservation, can become part of our future. None of Buddy, Jimmy, Cole, & JG3 “deserves” the PT, not a one of them. So you play the young man and give him a chance to grow. Not sit him on the bench, try to humiliate him by putting him in at garbage time, and then rip him in the press when asked about it. Comprende?

 

[DoctorBombay]

Yeah because a freshman for cuse last year didn’t average 20 a game.

Were you watching last year? Because if you were you would’ve seen JB dragged kicking and screaming, and almost shamed into finally giving that freshman more minutes. Same for Jesse.
Sorry, there’s no merit in having a coach take an action on something the entire cbb world, in and out of Syracuse, was clamoring for. It was obvious…except to JB.

 

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[FrancoPizza]

The last thing we should care about is whether Benny deserves more PT. I think it's unanimous that we all agree on it, but if your house is on fire you should be calling the fire department first and evacuating the premises, instead of worrying if you left the toilet up.

 

[City of Cuse]

Were you watching last year? Because if you were you would’ve seen JB dragged kicking and screaming, and almost shamed into finally giving that freshman more minutes.

No what happened, must have missed last year.

I’m not arguing whether said player deserved more time, I was letting the poster know that freshman can play if they can contribute. They said a freshman couldn’t get 20 mins per game and literally last year a freshman got 20 mins per game. You can throw the spin on how and why this happened, but it happened.

 

[two3zone]

No what happened, must have missed last year.

I’m not arguing whether said player deserved more time, I was letting the poster know that freshman can play if they can contribute. They said a freshman couldn’t get 20 mins per game and literally last year a freshman got 20 mins per game. You can throw the spin on how and why this happened, but it happened.

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If it wasn’t for covid he wouldn’t have averaged 20.

 

[City of Cuse]

If it wasn’t for covid he wouldn’t have averaged 20.

Okay how about Quincy. Hopefully the leap year didn’t push him over and he is an acceptable example.