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When do you know that Syracuse football good?

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Count me among those thrilled that the Terrel Hunt era has begun. He looks the part, I see him as a stronger/sturdier/slightly less athletic version of Quincy Carter. That is not meant as a slight. Carter was a very good college QB for the majority of his college career.

I also think that many here are equating Hunt's arrival (and supposed strong play over the next 2+ seasons) with future SU football prosperity.

I am not certain this is the case. Why? I am not enthralled by what I see on the offensive line so far. In fact, I am discouraged.

I have sensed zero push on the O-Line to date. Not left side. Not right side. I do see slightly above average pass protection. And that is something.

But I am worried, and not only this year, but next year and beyond. Macky is done. Hickey could legitimately leave.

I've been following this program since the mid-80s and our O-Line play almost always coincides with our W-L record. Remember 1993? I know, I too am trying to forget too. We had ALL of the skill positon talent (Graves, Qadry, Hill, Harrison, Walker, Richardson) we could realistically dream of and we stunk (6-4-1) because we were WEAK on the O-Line (and out LBers stunk too).

Last year, our OLine was likely one of the top 5 in CFB. I mean, by season's end, with Pugh at full force, I bet we were a legit top 15 team. We could run AND throw the ball against anyone.

We need to recruit and gain commitments from HIGH SCHOOL kids. I understand the need/desire to plug in an JUCO upperclassman or two. But we've gone to the extreme and I think we could pay the price in the not-too distant future.

So, cross your fingers on OG Aaron Roberts. Need him. And I would urge HCSS to move Kendall Moore back to the O-Line. I think he could become a heck of a left tackle in short time (by next year). Especially with Provo now in the pipeline.

One last point. If you notice, SU and BC are rarely good at the same time. Why? Because one of the 2 programs usually outrecruits the other for the Northeast's O-Line talent.

I'd love to be wrong, because EVERY hard-nosed program has a nasty disposition on its O-Line. We can do this.
 
by week 8 or 9 we will have a good idea of what we got.
 
It's pretty interesting that we are doing a much better job in pass protection, then run blocking, when it seems like we have some real road graders in Trudo, Robinson, and Roy. My question is did we change our blocking schemes? Have we been doing more zone blocking under Perles?

Count me in as a tad concerned with our future OL recruiting as well. A class of Roberts, Smith, and a JC tackle I don't think is going to cut it. We are pretty solid in the interior, but would like to see some tackles.
 
Base on the title question, I would say it's somewhat of the following,

This all needs to take place over a 5 year stretch.

minimum 7 wins in each year
3 years with 10+ wins
multiple bowl victories
consistently ranked in the top 25 during that stretch (at least once during 3 of those years)
a consistent buzz about recruiting with no classes outside the top 50 and probably at least 2 top 25 classes

That's a whole hell of a lot that has to happen, but if Schafer is the right guy, it's something that can happen in the next 7 years, possibly even less if Hunt is really the big time QB we all hope then this next two years could be the weaker years in the 5 year stretch I've described.
 
Base on the title question, I would say it's somewhat of the following,

This all needs to take place over a 5 year stretch.

minimum 7 wins in each year
3 years with 10+ wins
multiple bowl victories
consistently ranked in the top 25 during that stretch (at least once during 3 of those years)
a consistent buzz about recruiting with no classes outside the top 50 and probably at least 2 top 25 classes

That's a whole hell of a lot that has to happen, but if Schafer is the right guy, it's something that can happen in the next 7 years, possibly even less if Hunt is really the big time QB we all hope then this next two years could be the weaker years in the 5 year stretch I've described.
I don't know that I agree with these two. We never won 10 games during the McNabb era, but we were still a good nationally recognized team, and I don't know that we've ever had 2 top 25 recruiting classes in a 5 year period (I could be wrong on the second one, I'm no recruitnik). I like the rest of them though.
 
When will I know? This is easy...
I'll know Syracuse football is back when I can once again wake up excitedly on a Sunday morning to find out where they are ranked.








Its been too damn long.

When WAS the last time we were ranked? 2001?
 
When WAS the last time we were ranked? 2001?


Yes, we ranked 14th in both final polls of 2001. (we were ranked 27th, but never in Top 25 after we beat Cincy to go 6-2 in 2010 season)

2001
1. Miami
2. Oregon
3. Florida
4. Tennessee
5. Texas
6. Oklahoma
7. Nebraska
8. LSU
9. Colorado
10. Maryland
11. Washington St.
12. Illinois
13. South Carolina
14. Syracuse
15. Florida St.
16. Louisville
17. Stanford
18. Virginia Tech
19. Washington
20. Michigan
21. Marshall
22. Toledo
23. Boston College
24. Brigham Young
25. Georgia
 
Base on the title question, I would say it's somewhat of the following,

This all needs to take place over a 5 year stretch.

minimum 7 wins in each year
3 years with 10+ wins
multiple bowl victories
consistently ranked in the top 25 during that stretch (at least once during 3 of those years)
a consistent buzz about recruiting with no classes outside the top 50 and probably at least 2 top 25 classes

That's a whole hell of a lot that has to happen, but if Schafer is the right guy, it's something that can happen in the next 7 years, possibly even less if Hunt is really the big time QB we all hope then this next two years could be the weaker years in the 5 year stretch I've described.

You need to tone down the expectations...a lot.
 
The rule applies to every team - to be successful you have to play well at OL.
 
Yeah, that's going to happen with FSU, Clemson, and Louisville in the same division, just to start.

This is why I want all 14 to be one conference like basketball and the top two play for the championship.
 
Yeah, that's going to happen with FSU, Clemson, and Louisville in the same division, just to start.

Cohen? Ug. Hate this thinking. So we are destined for fourth place? We know that we can beat Louisville regularly. Clemson just got good - and elite just this year. FSU is the same way.

Just looking at this season, you might be right. But historically there is no reason for that much negativity.
 
Cohen? Ug. Hate this thinking. So we are destined for fourth place? We know that we can beat Louisville regularly. Clemson just got good - and elite just this year. FSU is the same way.

Just looking at this season, you might be right. But historically there is no reason for that much negativity.
No I don't think you guys are destined for fourth every year but you can't seriously think that you guys can win 10+ games 3 out of every 5 years. It's just not going to happen. Not for Clemson, FSU, or Louisville either.
 
Another plus for the all one division...if/when ND joins there is absolutely no need to add a 16th school.
 
Out of curiosity, what 2 or 3 schools would Clemson always want to play every year? For me and SU, it's BC and Pitt but other than that I'd love to play more ACC teams then with the current system. Also, if we go to 9 games (only if the SEC does) then this makes it just that much better.
 
Out of curiosity, what 2 or 3 schools would Clemson always want to play every year? For me and SU, it's BC and Pitt but other than that I'd love to play more ACC teams then with the current system. Also, if we go to 9 games (only if the SEC does) then this makes it just that much better.
If we are talking teams not in the division it would have to be both Techs. If we are talking regardless it would have to be FSU, GT, and State.

FSU has become a huge deciding game, GT is only miles away with most games being decided by less than 10 points, and State is our rival.
 
Out of curiosity, what 2 or 3 schools would Clemson always want to play every year? For me and SU, it's BC and Pitt but other than that I'd love to play more ACC teams then with the current system. Also, if we go to 9 games (only if the SEC does) then this makes it just that much better.

Perhaps at home but not in the Dome. After Boyd graduates they will not be the same team. We play physical football and nobody wants to play ion the Dome.

When your team get beat up (especially early in the season) you would rather play somebody else.
 
Out of curiosity, what 2 or 3 schools would Clemson always want to play every year? For me and SU, it's BC and Pitt but other than that I'd love to play more ACC teams then with the current system. Also, if we go to 9 games (only if the SEC does) then this makes it just that much better.
personally, I don't care if SU plays Pitt every year and am not excited that's the automatic crossover game for SU
 
Perhaps at home but not in the Dome. After Boyd graduates they will not be the same team. We play physical football and nobody wants to play ion the Dome.

When your team get beat up (especially early in the season) you would rather play somebody else.

Sorry crusty, I don't understand what you're trying to say?
 
Sorry crusty, I don't understand what you're trying to say?

Sorry, fuzzy morning I guess. I misread your post. I thought you were referencing the three teams as patsies and I don't think we are. Sorry about that.
 
Really? NC State is your rival? I did not know that.
Yea we play for the textile trophy. Both schools were the schools in the Carolinas when it came to textile related education years ago. The trophy was born out of that and has just stuck.
 
Sorry, fuzzy morning I guess. I misread your post. I thought you were referencing the three teams as patsies and I don't think we are. Sorry about that.

No problem, I've had my fair share of bad hangovers. :rolleyes:
 

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