When do you know that Syracuse football good?

[TheCusian]

No I don't think you guys are destined for fourth every year but you can't seriously think that you guys can win 10+ games 3 out of every 5 years. It's just not going to happen. Not for Clemson, FSU, or Louisville either.

I'm the kind of fan that thinks the way I want my players and coaches to think. In other words - however unlikely - I want my team to believe they can dominate the ACC.

Are you guys not looking for the same thing?

 

[GoSU96]

Cohen? Ug. Hate this thinking. So we are destined for fourth place? We know that we can beat Louisville regularly. Clemson just got good - and elite just this year. FSU is the same way.

Just looking at this season, you might be right. But historically there is no reason for that much negativity.

The "standard" articulated was 10+ wins every three years. Here's reality, it ain't gonna happen. Period.

This is a team that took 4 years to win 10 games not so long ago, to set a standard of 10 in a year, let along three years out of five is ridiculous.

 

[SmilinBob]

I don't know if the 10 win thing going to happen or not but as long as SU has talent and a good staff I expect them to win every game they play.

 

[GoSU96]

SU will be good when it is 8-2 over ten years vs Wake, 7-3, 6-4 vs BC, Pitt, NCSt, 5-5 vs Louisville, 3-7 vs Clemson, and 2-8 vs FSU and is able to post some BCS OCC wins .

 

[SoBristol]

The "standard" articulated was 10+ wins every three years. Here's reality, it ain't gonna happen. Period.

This is a team that took 4 years to win 10 games not so long ago, to set a standard of 10 in a year, let along three years out of five is ridiculous.

Fortunately, SU in 2013 isn't that team.
We are the team that just waxed a bad Tulane team, has a QB, and feels good about itself heading into October.
But, sure, let's beat an ACC team or two before we get carried away.

 

[gbo]

I'm the kind of fan that thinks the way I want my players and coaches to think. In other words - however unlikely - I want my team to believe they can dominate the ACC.

Are you guys not looking for the same thing?

No I completely understand that.

We definitely are. I misunderstood you I think. Syracuse should strive for 10+ wins just like Clemson does.

 

[SWC75]

I like reading about the teams we play and being told that they have a tough schedule and they list the teams that make it tough and we are one of those teams.

 

[Faegan]

I just want to be ranked in the Top 15-30 most years, with the occasional journey into the top 10, if only for a few weeks during the season. It's fun when you get coverage during the week and on gameday on Saturday.

 

[jekelish]

I'll know we are good when we are relevant in the national media again. You know, like when the guys on College Gameday actually talk about us and it's not 1) because of who we are playing or 2) when they are making game predictions. When they start discussing us for OUR reasons, that's when we will be relevant, and that means we'll be officially "good" again.

 

[ForeverOrange]

Probably some time after the post about us "turning the corner" stop and the post about us being "ranked too low" begin.

 

[TheCusian]

The "standard" articulated was 10+ wins every three years. Here's reality, it ain't gonna happen. Period.

This is a team that took 4 years to win 10 games not so long ago, to set a standard of 10 in a year, let along three years out of five is ridiculous.

Forgive me for believing in my team. I'd rather believe they can win 10+ games a year 3 out of 5 seasons and be wrong than thinking prolonged success is impossible.

That's how I want the team to think. That's hardnosed.

 

[NineOneSeven]

The title of this thread is just confusing the hell out of me. Are key words missing?

 

[sufandu]

Forgive me for believing in my team. I'd rather believe they can win 10+ games a year 3 out of 5 seasons and be wrong than thinking prolonged success is impossible.

That's how I want the team to think. That's hardnosed.

It's fine to believe in your team, but most of us don't think 10 win seasons 3 out of 5 years is a necessary requirement to say we're back. Considering the only time it has happened was 87-92, it's also highly highly highly unlikely. Were we not "back" 95-98 when we never won 10 games?

 

[TheCusian]

It's fine to believe in your team, but most of us don't think 10 win seasons 3 out of 5 years is a necessary requirement to say we're back. Considering the only time it has happened was 87-92, it's also highly highly highly unlikely. Were we not "back" 95-98 when we never won 10 games?

Agreed. My point was to say that it's possible. It's something to shoot for. I tend to think 8 wins is a better barometer for most teams...

Wasn't 87-92 our hey day? Why wouldn't that be "back" in the truest sense? Why shoot low? What's gained by being "realistic?"

 

[Libero2]

You need to tone down the expectations...a lot.

I answered the original question. How will I know when we are considered a good program on the national scale?

That was my answer. I give it about a 2% liklihood we see something similar to that in the next 8 years. The only way that happens is if Hunt really is the next SU QB to be drafted high, and his play leads us to consistent success on the field over the next few years, which leads to great recruiting gains, then a QB (Long?) takes over in his stead, and leads us to competing for an ACC title with the massive improvements to the overall roster.

Will it happen? I seriously doubt it happens. But if it did, it would put us firmly in the discussion for borderline great teams on a yearly basis

 

[anomander]

Everything is cyclical. Look where BC was 5 years ago. Where was Clemson pre Dabo? Miami was Bama before Bama was Bama. Speaking of Bama in that 2001 poll Rocco posted a few posts ago they seem to be missing. Hell even WF and Maryland made the Orange bowl in the past decade. Most people talk as how things stand today they will be for the next 10 years. History has shown time and time again that just isn't true. There were times at LSU and Alabama pre Nick Saban where the top 25 every year wasn't a given. Stanford won the same amount of games that we did in 2008...1. This year they were pre season #3. Clemson was 6-7 in 2010 losing to USF in the Mieneke Care Bowl. Times change and so will conference powers. Everybody is always 1 great quarterback away from putting their program back on the national map (cough cough Terrel Hunt no pressure)

 

[TheCusian]

Everything is cyclical. Look where BC was 5 years ago. Where was Clemson pre Dabo? Miami was Bama before Bama was Bama. Speaking of Bama in that 2001 poll Rocco posted a few posts ago they seem to be missing. Hell even WF and Maryland made the Orange bowl in the past decade. Most people talk as how things stand today they will be for the next 10 years. History has shown time and time again that just isn't true. There were times at LSU and Alabama pre Nick Saban where the top 25 every year wasn't a given. Stanford won the same amount of games that we did in 2008...1. This year they were pre season #3. Clemson was 6-7 in 2010 losing to USF in the Mieneke Care Bowl. Times change and so will conference powers. Everybody is always 1 great quarterback away from putting their program back on the national map (cough cough Terrel Hunt no pressure)

Exactly. It's recruiting, hitting the lottery with some great players, coaching, intangibles like leadership, IPF, etc. There's nothing gained by thinking we'll never reach elite level. Who says?

I think we're trending up.

 

[sufandu]

Agreed. My point was to say that it's possible. It's something to shoot for. I tend to think 8 wins is a better barometer for most teams...

Wasn't 87-92 our hey day? Why wouldn't that be "back" in the truest sense? Why shoot low? What's gained by being "realistic?"

It certainly was the peak of it, but 95-98 was also the midst of our hey day and included no 10 win seasons. The original question wasn't what was possible. It was the criteria for being back. Hopefully we don't have to achieve the absolute peak of our hey day to be considered back.

 

[TheCusian]

It certainly was the peak of it, but 95-98 was also the midst of our hey day and included no 10 win seasons. The original question wasn't what was possible. It was the criteria for being back. Hopefully we don't have to achieve the absolute peak of our hey day to be considered back.

I think you can make it whatever you like. It's subjective, right? That's the whole point of this thread. To discuss what "being back" means.

If you believe Syracuse's rightful place is 10 wins a year and NC aspirations, it may be somewhat delusional - but it has historical precedence. A. We've won one and B. We have had a string of ten win seasons before. It's not out of the question to expect greatness.

I'm okay with keeping the bar lower. It's a good thing to enjoy meeting lower benchmarks. I was yelling all game at a family members house for the Pinstripe. But I think it's shortsighted to use words like impossible and ridiculous when saying being "back" is what we were in the 80's.

To a ten year old kid - Mac's Orangemen was the only thing I knew. I'd like to be at that level again.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

When we stop caring what's going on in Piscataway

 

[richard levy]

When we stop caring what's going on in Piscataway

finally, thank you. Way too much time spent on them

 

[sufandu]

I think you can make it whatever you like. It's subjective, right? That's the whole point of this thread. To discuss what "being back" means.

If you believe Syracuse's rightful place is 10 wins a year and NC aspirations, it may be somewhat delusional - but it has historical precedence. A. We've won one and B. We have had a string of ten win seasons before. It's not out of the question to expect greatness.

I'm okay with keeping the bar lower. It's a good thing to enjoy meeting lower benchmarks. I was yelling all game at a family members house for the Pinstripe. But I think it's shortsighted to use words like impossible and ridiculous when saying being "back" is what we were in the 80's.

To a ten year old kid - Mac's Orangemen was the only thing I knew. I'd like to be at that level again.

You're right, it is subjective. It's too bad you think the McNabb years were so subpar.

 

[retro44]

The "standard" articulated was 10+ wins every three years. Here's reality, it ain't gonna happen. Period.

This is a team that took 4 years to win 10 games not so long ago, to set a standard of 10 in a year, let along three years out of five is ridiculous.

what's the point in trying to shoot down someone else's dream...no need,just let stuff like that flow

 

[sufandu]

When we stop caring what's going on in Piscataway

For me, that's already done.

 

[baggerbob]

Unlike Jake who didn't aspire to be Top 25 every year, that should be the defining point, to finish every year rated in the polls. When you do that then you are considered a top team.