Why don't we start our 5 best players?

[Garbs]

because we don't have too

 

[Marsh01]

Ugh...

Do you think Waiters off the bench would be a better chance to spark a team IF the starting person at his position is not playing well or do you think Triche could play that role?

Think about it...

You start the better player so you don't need that spark, and yes I do think Triche could provide a spark if needed and it would elevate his game.

To the people saying if it ain't broke, The team struggles early if we started our best players maybe we get off to a better start[/quote]

Didnt we jump out to a huge lead tonight? It would not "elevate" his game. Dion will get his chance next year to start...dont worry.

 

[moqui]

to what the others have noted, I will add: those aren't even the five best players

 

[Scooch]

Didn't Boeheim do this years ago with Tony Bland? I remember him starting at the 2 but getting 4-5 minutes a game deep into BE play.

I grew up watching the Celtics win championships with Kevin McHale as a 6th man. My father did the same, but it was John Havlicek coming off the bench.

Starting is overrated.

 

[baggerbob]

In the championship year the best 5 at the end was melo hak billy gmac and a center but having billy josh and jeremy coming off the bench made us a better team.

 

[otto123]

You start the better player so you don't need that spark, and yes I do think Triche could provide a spark if needed and it would elevate his game.

To the people saying if it ain't broke, The team struggles early if we started our best players maybe we get off to a better start

Didnt we jump out to a huge lead tonight? It would not "elevate" his game. Dion will get his chance next year to start...dont worry.[/quote]

How do you know what Waiters is gonna do? What huge lead it was 9-4 with 13 minutes left in the first half until Waiters came in

On a side note why are a ppl making comments about age like that makes them real mature. Is their somebody who runs this site or are ppl allowed to flame and attack other ppl without any reason?

 

[otto123]

to what the others have noted, I will add: those aren't even the five best players

Then who is?

 

[otto123]

In the championship year the best 5 at the end was melo hak billy gmac and a center but having billy josh and jeremy coming off the bench made us a better team.

You're forgetting Kueth Duany

 

[All4SU]

On a side note why are a ppl making comments about age like that makes them real mature. Is their somebody who runs this site or are ppl allowed to flame and attack other ppl without any reason?

I agree. We shouldn't be making fun of posters' ages -- young or old. Hell, I had to break out my Doogie Howser Stylebook to figure out what "ppl" meant.

 

[moqui]

Then who is?

Joseph, Jardine, Waiters, Southerland, Triche (although you could make an argument for Fair)

the bigs are serviceable and fulfill their roles, but they are for sure not the best players on the team.

at the moment, it's those six, then the two centers, then the two frosh

 

[Garbs]

Joseph, Jardine, Waiters, Southerland, Triche (although you could make an argument for Fair)

the bigs are serviceable and fulfill their roles, but they are for sure not the best players on the team.

at the moment, it's those six, then the two centers, then the two frosh

:bat:

 

[SoBristol]

How does it help with Xmas development if he pulls him after 1 mistake and doesn't put him back in to work on it. Xmas could have played in the 2nd half of the nc st game, he only played 2 minutes how does that help him?

Triche is a junior in college these are not little kids he shouldn't need help building his confidence. Waiters is better he deserves to start I think Triche would do better coming off then bench I think the pressure of starting gets to him.

It helps Christmas compared to how he might be used if he didn't start -- not much at all. This way he preps for every game, knowing his role. You seem to be suggesting that Christmas should be used more, which is a different issue.
In the split of playing time, CJ and Southerland are plainly ahead of Christmas -- so where do you find more time for Christmas?
As for Triche, he seems to have confidence issues -- junior or not. JB has commented on that; Scoop has talked about trying to help Triche realize he is good. I would go with JB's approach, versus your idea of having Triche come off the bench.
In the don't fix what isn't broke theory, you have to note that JB has found a rotation that works for the team -- and puts Dion and Scoop in the guard spots for the majority of times when the game is on the line.

 

[Knicks411]

I think Fab is one of our 5 best players. He is a presence defensively.

 

[moqui]

I think Fab is one of our 5 best players. He is a presence defensively.

I don't think he is there yet. Defensively, our perimeter guys are the ones making the difference, cutting off driving lanes, anticipating passing lanes.

Fab, I think, still gets out of position too much and sells out for the block on too many shots that he really shouldn't be going for. And he is still limited on the offensive end.

You can make an argument for any one of Triche, Fair and Melo as #5 on the list. I go with Triche because I think he is more versatile than the other two and, even in his slump, is a more efficient offensive player.

But, you can't really make an argument that Southerland is not currently in the top 4. He has surpassed the others on both ends of the court. He is a highly efficient offensive player, even when he isn't scoring, and he is a disruptor on the defensive end. He is still deficient as a rebounder, but even there the gap between he and Fair has diminished because CJ has regressed the last couple of games.

 

[grepal]

Basically we have 10 guys who can start for most teams and our 11th guy aint bad. Tonight was a real good illustration of the advantage og Coach using his starting lineup. Now Christmas knows if he starts out like a beast he will gurantee more game time. Great confidence builder and now the player can challenge himself to keep showing more fire and results. If he gets going SU is even stronger.,

 

[orangefan13]

I say the same thing every Triche vs Dion thread so why stop now :noidea:?

I feel its the best option to have two isolation scorers with Triche to get the most out of Triche.
KJO brings one.

Scoop and Fab combo togther has really stepped up the last 3-5 games to make the second. Im not saying Fab is a consistant isolation scorer, but Scoop off the dribble just gets him open and the ball to make a basket.

That leaves Triche as the third scorer in a CJ like role. Only with more experience and a quicker jumper. Rak is kinda like a push. Hes tall hes strong hes a presense reguardless of the crafty experience that good teams have in basketball.

However, if Fab and Scoop aren't generating enough offense then its time to go with Waiters and Triche, because Waiters and KJO make a good first and second isolation option. That leaves Triche as a third go to guy. Think back to the VT or Stanford game when that triangle took over.

But, then you also have to c0nsider Scoop has more isolation then Triche off the dribble and more passing off the dribble. And he pulls up into his shot more off the dribble. That makes Dion, Scoop and KJO our best isolation combo. Esepcially when Fab, CJ, and Southerland can find their favorite spots and you want to use dribble penetration and some PG passing skills to get them shots.

Im not saying Triche doesn't have some isolation because he does, but its not at the same level of Dion, KJO and Scoop right now. Hes not going to dribble into his shot against tight defense without a screen like Scoop or Dion will. Neither does Triche attack the paint quite as crafty as Scoop and Dion (YET).

Then you have to factor in the athleticism of MCW to make things even deeper. If he can cut down on the mistakes, that alone could be great for this team. But if he can continue to pass the ball on the button (6'5) with as many options as we have that is a HUGE plus.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The reason we dont start our 'five best players' is because from game to game we dont have the same five best players.

 

[DNABB5]

The reason we dont start our 'five best players' is because from game to game we dont have the same five best players.

This is what I think one James Arthur Boeheim would answer in this thread.

 

[Knicks411]

I agree on Fab going for too many blocks; that's part of the reason his defensive rebounding is so lackluster. That needs to get better. I will also admit it's possible I am biased towards big guys.

But here is kinda how I look at it. Our best offensive trait is our offensive rebounding. Fab is by far our best offensive rebounder. He is also by far our best shotblocker. Our best defensive trait is our forcing turnovers, which mostly the guards are doing, but I also think there is something to be said for a defense being able to take more risks because they have a shotblocker behind them.

James is an interesting guy to evaluate, because he plays such a specific role on offense. Pick and pop, and shoot 3's. His offensive rating is ridiculously high; part of that is because of his role on offense (he never dribbles, so he never turns the ball over) but part of that is also because he's been a very efficient offensive player. However, he's doing a lot on the defensive end this year that I can see the argument. However, I still can't get past the fact that he has showed up in only one of the games we've played against bigger name competition. Could just be a fluke, but I'm taking Fab over James right now.

 

[jvbj01]

I trust JB. He knows this team better than any of us.

 

[zhanjuzi]

Many people think if Waiters started, it would be with Triche, not Scoop, altho the last 2 games he has been very good the 2nd half.

I"ve never been one of those "many people", Scoop is 2nd half assassin, Triche is solid floor general. Both bring a lot to the table and both can go hot and cold. JB has the right mix this year.

 

[Eric15]

Didn't Boeheim do this years ago with Tony Bland? I remember him starting at the 2 but getting 4-5 minutes a game deep into BE play.

Correct, in 1999-2000 Bland started, but Shumpert ultimately ended up playing more minutes in big games.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

You don't think those are the 5 best players?

Of course, often our bench guys are playing their bench guys. He starts his best combination. I love having our own "microwave" that comes off the bench, plus our " Josh Pace 2.0. complete with better hops & longer shooting range" coming off the bench.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Scoop
Waiters
Joseph
Fair
Melo

Only in Syracuse, with the #1 team in the land, would the HC get a critical post.

 

[orange2win]

There is a political dimension to this issue. The most valuable recruits are the couple of dozen McDAA's that get divied up each year between the power teams. JB can boast that any McDAA who chooses SU will likely get to start.

Melo started last year, even though he was not ready. Christmas this year. Carter-Williams is brought in as fast as possible, even though he doesn't belong. It's all part of the sales pitch to keep the pipeline flowing.

I think JB wised up to this strategy after he went through nearly a decade without a single McDAA recruit. Prior to that period, freshmen like Bruin, Walker and McRae all rode the bench to great dissatisfaction. The word gets around.