Why Shafer Should Coach in 2016

[Orijinal]

Nothing says it better than this article. He should stay barring another 3-9 season. 4 wins and he should be here.

"For one, no Syracuse coach has ever made a bowl game in his third year on the job. Second, no SU coach has ever won more than six games in his third year. Sure the different eras and such make that less alarming than it would be today, but it's still a stunning development over a nearly 100-year stretch just the same."

And I will add one more reason. Has any of Syracuse's past coaches ever faced a conference schedule like the one Syracuse faces now in the current era?

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/5...oaches-fared-in-year-threes-past-scott-shafer

 

[Chip]

Nothing says it better than this article. He should stay barring another 3-9 season. 4 wins and he should be here.

"For one, no Syracuse coach has ever made a bowl game in his third year on the job. Second, no SU coach has ever won more than six games in his third year. Sure the different eras and such make that less alarming than it would be today, but it's still a stunning development over a nearly 100-year stretch just the same."

And I will add one more reason. Has any of Syracuse's past coaches ever faced a conference schedule like the one Syracuse faces now in the current era?

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/5...oaches-fared-in-year-threes-past-scott-shafer

He's probably staying, so the point is moot, but there's a scenario where SU wins 4 games and really accomplishes little to nothing that proves we're moving forward. Which is beating URI, Wake, CMU, USF.

In reality, SU is starting the campaign with 4 Ws and needs to find 2 Ws in the other 8 games.

I don't know why exactly, but I'm starting to think if we don't trip up in the 4, we'll find the other 2. We have to be at a point where we can beat Pitt & BC at home in the same year. Might as well start that this year.

 

[TheCusian]

He's probably staying, so the point is moot, but there's a scenario where SU wins 4 games and really accomplishes little to nothing that proves we're moving forward. Which is beating URI, Wake, CMU, USF. In reality, SU is starting the campaign with 4 Ws and needs to find 2 Ws in the other 8 games. I don't know why exactly, but I'm starting to think if we don't trip up in the 4, we'll find the other 2. We have to be at a point where we can beat Pitt & BC at home in the same year. Might as well start that this year.

And we were really close to beating Pitt at home last time.

 

[Scooch]

And we were really close to beating Pitt at home last time.

Really close to beating Pitt.

God, this program is depressing.

 

[TheCusian]

Really close to beating Pitt. God, this program is depressing.

I hear ya - but that's kind of where we are traditionally with them. Up some years, down others.

 

[Scooch]

I hear ya - but that's kind of where we are traditionally with them. Up some years, down others.

Sadly, yes. Just reading that we should feel good because we almost beat freakin' Pitt is so damn discouraging.

I preferred the tradition in the 90s when we beat them like a drum.

 

[orangeinjersey]

And we were really close to beating Pitt at home last time.

and werent we really close to losing a few of those games that year too

 

[Chip]

Sadly, yes. Just reading that we should feel good because we almost beat freakin' Pitt is so damn discouraging. I preferred the tradition in the 90s when we beat them like a drum.

What bothers me most is that there are years now where Pitt beats us like a drum in Pitt and if we ever win at home it's a nailbiter.

That time in the 90s was nice to take advantage of when they did dumb things like re-hire Johnny Majors. I always figured they'd dig out of that mess. Just lucky they could never take it to the next level. Going 6-6 and playing in Birmingham is a Pitt, kind of like a Munson.

 

[TheCusian]

and werent we really close to losing a few of those games that year too

Yep. I was responding to the post about being due for winning both Pitt and BC at home. We almost beat Pitt last home game and squeaked one out vs BC. So - yeah - we're due.

 

[Orijinal]

He's probably staying, so the point is moot, but there's a scenario where SU wins 4 games and really accomplishes little to nothing that proves we're moving forward. Which is beating URI, Wake, CMU, USF.

In reality, SU is starting the campaign with 4 Ws and needs to find 2 Ws in the other 8 games.

Yeah. I thought about that after my original post. Make it 5 wins and he needs to stay.

 

[rocklloyd]

I think 5 wins or more and he stays, but we have to show massive improvement over prior year. An Anemic offense will prove he does not know how to hire on offensive side of ball.

 

[javadoc]

Nothing says it better than this article. He should stay barring another 3-9 season. 4 wins and he should be here.

"For one, no Syracuse coach has ever made a bowl game in his third year on the job. Second, no SU coach has ever won more than six games in his third year. Sure the different eras and such make that less alarming than it would be today, but it's still a stunning development over a nearly 100-year stretch just the same."

And I will add one more reason. Has any of Syracuse's past coaches ever faced a conference schedule like the one Syracuse faces now in the current era?

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/5...oaches-fared-in-year-threes-past-scott-shafer

He should stay unless he runs afoul of the law. Going to put that on a flash card so I can hold it up every time someone says, "If we go X-Y..."

Next year is the do or die point. Not this year.

 

[elimunelson]

He's probably staying, so the point is moot, but there's a scenario where SU wins 4 games and really accomplishes little to nothing that proves we're moving forward. Which is beating URI, Wake, CMU, USF.

In reality, SU is starting the campaign with 4 Ws and needs to find 2 Ws in the other 8 games.

I don't know why exactly, but I'm starting to think if we don't trip up in the 4, we'll find the other 2. We have to be at a point where we can beat Pitt & BC at home in the same year. Might as well start that this year.

You nailed it right here. We have a very Rutgers like schedule this year with a built in 4 wins. We need to be above that water mark for me to get behind Shafer in a meaningful way. My Syracuse glass very empty feeling is we win URI/CMU and split USF/Wake. The key then will be how injured we are after leaving the LSU/FSU games. If we can stay upright with some depth we should be able to beat a few teams at the end of the schedule.

 

[kcsu]

HCSS will either need an extension or recruiting will take a hit along with his staff. Im hoping for a good year so that the new AD has an easy decision

 

[CusefanATL]

because he went 10-3 in 2015 with a win in the Russell Athletic bowl. Why would we fire him?!

 

[KaiserUEO]

this whole thread is depressing.

to sum: shafer sucks but thats normal because our coaches always suck, so hes going to suck again, but weve actually given ourselves a wet paper bag schedule...yet no one really seems to have the confidence that we can punch our way out.

but it doesnt really matter because shafer is basically guaranteed to come back and suck again next year.

yipee!!!

 

[Orijinal]

this whole thread is depressing.

to sum: shafer sucks but thats normal because our coaches always suck, so hes going to suck again, but weve actually given ourselves a wet paper bag schedule...yet no one really seems to have the confidence that we can punch our way out.

but it doesnt really matter because shafer is basically guaranteed to come back and suck again next year.

yipee!!!

Not really. But if that's the way you want to see it. I never said I believe Shafer sucks. And I don't believe Shafer sucks. Marrone, MacPherson, and Schwartzwalder didn't suck but they couldn't get it done in the third year at the helm. Why should we fire someone for anything different? And anyway, why would you ever give a coach only 3 years to get things going? Seems counter intuitive. And I'm not saying we should accept a lousy year either. If we get 3 wins, a change will probably need to be made, head coach for only 3 years or not.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Not really. But if that's the way you want to see it. I never said I believe Shafer sucks. And I don't believe Shafer sucks. Marrone, MacPherson, and Schwartzwalder didn't suck but they couldn't get it done in the third year at the helm. Why should we fire someone for anything different? And anyway, why would you ever give a coach only 3 years to get things going? Seems counter intuitive. And I'm not saying we should accept a lousy year either. If we get 3 wins, a change will probably need to be made, head coach for only 3 years or not.

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED.

this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

 

[orangehomer]

we don't even have an AD right now, I don't see how we could be replacing the football coach 6 months from now. it doesn't seem to make sense to hire someone else unless we are making a significant increase in what we pay the staff.

 

[skytop44]

I think he's got to win at least 5 games. We can't keep digressing as a program. I like Coach Shafer but if he can't win then we have to make a change. We have to build on the momentum we're starting to build with bringing our tradition back. If we don't win this year, change is what we need and we need to get back to what made us great in the past.

 

[javadoc]

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED.

this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

2009 was year 1 of the Spence plan.
2010 and 2011 were years 1 and 2 of the Hackett plan.
2012 was year 1 of the deluxe Hackett plan.
2013 was year 1 of the McDonald plan.
2014 was year 1 of the McDonald alternate plan.
2015 is year 1 of the Lester plan.

We have certainly been getting "a change" on offense for some time now - you could extend that timeline backward into the Robinson years for similar turmoil.

Given the way that other indicators are trending, the simplest way to fix the program quickly - honest to goodness fix - would be to find a good, proven P5 offensive coordinator who is making $500K, and offer him $1M. Yeah, I know, he would want to bring along his own assistants. And maybe that kind of guy would want to be a HC instead. OK, nevermind.

 

[Orijinal]

watch and read what i do here...if Syracuse football does not get me 8 regular season wins this year...i want shafer FIRED.

this is year 7 of the marrone/shafer plan and i want god-damn results or a change.

If that picture is to imply that I am waffling in what I stated, I am completely not. My original post said that he should be here if he gets to 4 wins and should be gone if gets only 3. There has to be a bar that is satisfactory enough for Shafer to continue on into 2016. That bar should be 4-5 wins. You say it should be 8. That is completely unrealistic. Fire the coach if he gets 7 wins? No head coach in SYRACUSE HISTORY has made 7 wins in their 3rd year. And that's the point of the whole thread.

 

[Scooch]

URI
Wake Forest
Central Michigan
USF

If this program is making any progress then those are 4 wins. Period.

If Shafer can't find a way to get us 5 wins this season then I don't have any sympathy if he gets canned.

I'm not advocating that he get canned... I'm not saying it's the best thing for the program if he gets canned... but as Chris Rock says... I understand.

 

[KaiserUEO]

If that picture is to imply that I am waffling in what I stated, I am completely not. My original post said that he should be here if he gets to 4 wins and should be gone if gets only 3. There has to be a bar that is satisfactory enough for Shafer to continue on into 2016. That bar should be 4-5 wins. You say it should be 8. That is completely unrealistic. Fire the coach if he gets 7 wins? No head coach in SYRACUSE HISTORY has made 7 wins in their 3rd year. And that's the point of the whole thread.

the problem is, he won 7 games in his FIRST year.

the article makes no sense.

so we should accept going in reverse just because of some quirky stat??

if in a coaches 3rd year, 8 wins is completely unrealistic...then he needs to go.

 

[Chip]

this whole thread is depressing.

to sum: shafer sucks but thats normal because our coaches always suck, so hes going to suck again, but weve actually given ourselves a wet paper bag schedule...yet no one really seems to have the confidence that we can punch our way out.

but it doesnt really matter because shafer is basically guaranteed to come back and suck again next year.

yipee!!!

The wild card is the new AD. If history is an indicator, then a 6 win season and a bowl game doesn't even necessarily save the job.

I wish I could hear the part of the interview where the candidates discuss their thoughts for the football program with the understanding that they are inheriting a 3 win coach. (assuming these interviews actually take place before the 2015 season begins).