Wildhack is on the Clock

[orangefog]

We've seen this other places.
Legends stay too long, the guy who follows the guy stinks, and the guy who follows the guy who follows the guy makes them good. it's the path of least resistance

Yep, the sooner we make the move, the better.

 

[Blanko97]

You know what they say, there are 3 sides to every story,

The Donor's

The School's

And the Truth

 

[rhcuse]

So is JW still on the clock to fire AA?

BTW, when and who do we play next? I’m kinda more checked out than not these days.

 

[Dr. Bill]

He took over a team with enough talent to make the NCAAT and failed to make the NCAAT. Then in year 2 he will give us (best case) our worst team since 1969, worst case since 1962. There is zero justification to bring him back.

The team won 20 games and still didn't make the tournament...because we didn't get selected! That wasn't the Coach's fault. Cuse fans must be blind, because if you can't see the terrible state Coach B. left the program in, then I am wasting my time ..and you want to blame Coach Red after 2 seasons...

 

[capeorange]

The team won 20 games and still didn't make the tournament...because we didn't get selected! That wasn't the Coach's fault. Cuse fans must be blind, because if you can't see the terrible state Coach B. left the program in, then I am wasting my time ..and you want to blame Coach Red after 2 seasons...

Was Red part of the staff that drove the program into the "terrible state" or was he just an empty suit who did nothing while the program was sliding into the "terrible state"?
Red is very much responsible for the state of the program and so far his performance is terrible.

 

[elimunelson]

If I had 5m to donate yearly for NIL, I would want zero spotlight. All I want is good seats at the primo events and a winning team.

And most of our NIL donors are like this.

I’d be embarrassed that I’m spending 5mm a year to fund one year players if I was that rich, it’s so gauche to be that public.

That guy weitsman is and was tacky. That’s not a controversial take.

We have a coaching issue right now and a management issue assembling a team issue

 

[gmoney44]

Gotcha.

I’d be pretty curious for someone to outline exactly how much Weitsman spent *on SU*.

Giving money to a celebs charity so they’d come sit courtside doesn’t count, IMHO.

I know some boosters here never liked the fact that he didn’t contribute to facilities.

I don’t think I know of how he spent his money other than some NIL deals. Which didn’t seem to accumulate to a ton given the guys net worth.

I’d love to be set straight.

The facilities race is dead. It’s all about NIL now. As usual SU finally decides to get into the facilities race 30 years after it started and 3 years after it ended. Classic SU.

 

[gmoney44]

it's a difference of opinion. If a million each for football and basketball matters, then maybe they can repair things. But, I suspect it won't matter until Kent is gone.

Easy fix. Let Kent go. The school is fading in sports, academic reputation and skyrocketing tuition under his leadership.

 

[CuseCPT]

The team won 20 games and still didn't make the tournament...because we didn't get selected! That wasn't the Coach's fault. Cuse fans must be blind, because if you can't see the terrible state Coach B. left the program in, then I am wasting my time ..and you want to blame Coach Red after 2 seasons...

Why not both? Red was dealt and bad hand and he has played it poorly.

 

[CuseCPT]

He hired the lawyer as soon as he started NIL. He didn’t break any rules. People got spooked and threw away a big donor. No big deal, right?

Hiring a lawyer is not the proof that you did everything right that you think it is.

 

[orangefog]

Hiring a lawyer is not the proof that you did everything right that you think it is.

One specializing in NIL and running everything through Syracuse’s compliance department is pretty much doing everything possible to adhere to rules. What would you suggest he should have done to better ensure compliance?

 

[CuseCPT]

Are you ok with donor’s names on buildings?

This isn't even apples and oranges, its raisins and watermelons.

 

[Scooch]

The facilities race is dead. It’s all about NIL now. As usual SU finally decides to get into the facilities race 30 years after it started and 3 years after it ended. Classic SU.

First, I was speaking about years ago. Like when we built the football facility, upgraded the Dome locker room, etc.

B, the "race" isn't over. Facilities still need to be built and maintained. And we need money for that.

But I'm sure that luxury box is wicked sick.

 

[Scooch]

What would you suggest he should have done to better ensure compliance?

Give money to a collective?

 

[orangefog]

Give money to a collective?

How do the collectives ensure compliance?

 

[Newhouser]

The facilities race is dead. It’s all about NIL now. As usual SU finally decides to get into the facilities race 30 years after it started and 3 years after it ended. Classic SU.

I was just saying this to a friend of mine - reminded me of Onondaga County balking at OTB until just before on line gambling got legalized.

 

[orangefog]

This isn't even apples and oranges, its raisins and watermelons.

How so? It’s recognition for contribution. One is putting a name on a building for posterity. And, the other is being seen with stars and/or recruits for the short time they are here.

 

[Scooch]

How do the collectives ensure compliance?

I know where you're going with this. Point is, SU is going to trust the process of the collectives they endorse and promote over a guy who says "trust me, I talked to a lawyer". A guy who also lied about the unique severity of his jail time.

It'd be like my company trusting their legal staff more than one of my family members who gave me advice at Christmas.

 

[orangefog]

I know where you're going with this. Point is, SU is going to trust the process of the collectives they endorse and promote over a guy who says "trust me, I talked to a lawyer". A guy who also lied about the unique severity of his jail time.

It'd be like my company trusting their legal staff more than one of my family members who gave me advice at Christmas.

If the SU compliance signs off on what he did, they should not be worried about what he does. Unless there is an issue in their compliance department.

 

[Grbac]

Our big billionaire trash man is unfortunately gone for now. We still need NIL money and we still need facility money.

I propose we start a syracusefan forum collective. We play the lottery. We win the lottery. We start funding recruits and facility upgrades. We all win.

 

[Fly Rodder]

If the SU compliance signs off on what he did, they should not be worried about what he does. Unless there is an issue in their compliance department.

No one is going to convince you metal man was not good for SU sports in more ways than one as long as you remain convinced that his story is the only truthful one.

I don't trust billionaires as far as I could throw one. I don't trust social media influencers or prima donnas either. So that's two strikes. And while I have concerns about the SU BOT and Chancellor and AD, I do trust them when it comes to SU's reputation and not taking on undue risk by partnering with a local billionaire who desperately wants to be the center of attention.

 

[orangefog]

No one is going to convince you metal man was not good for SU sports in more ways than one as long as you remain convinced that his story is the only truthful one.

I don't trust billionaires as far as I could throw one. I don't trust social media influencers or prima donnas either. So that's two strikes. And while I have concerns about the SU BOT and Chancellor and AD, I do trust them when it comes to SU's reputation and not taking on undue risk by partnering with a local billionaire who desperately wants to be the center of attention.

That’s fine. I’m just looking at things logically with the information I’ve been told. Admittedly, it’s from one side. If he cleared everything with compliance then there should be no worries. The issue seems to be more with personality.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Why not both? Red was dealt and bad hand and he has played it poorly.

I agree completely. Yes, he didn't get a team that has top 10 talent, not counting Freeman.
But he got, at the worst, average ACC talent.
The problem is that he can not seem to be able to figure out how to get the most of the talent they have and put together an offense/defense that maximizes the talent we have.
He frankly seems a bit lost, and can not think outside of the box.

I have no idea what kind of offense they are running. It just seems to be every man for himself, no set plays at all. There is no effort to put our players in their best position - nothing is planned at all.
And the reason their defense is so atrocious is that again, no one seems to know what to do.
I call it the hopeful defense - lets hope that someone else makes the big play while I just move around lackadasically. No one is locked in on defense, showing max effort - except for Cuffe and Taylor.
They no doubt learned this from their prior coaches.

Say what you want about Boeheim - he got the most out of his talent and his teams played good defense.
It is hard to believe that at one time our zone defense was so feared no one wanted to play us in the NCAA tournament.
Now, Syracuse elicits giggles when anyone talks about our defense.

And no one, with the exception of Cuffe and Taylor, seems to show the never surrender, no give up mentality. No one on the bench seems to have it either. I think this is a key ingredient that walked out the door when Gerry left. That dude proved on the court that he would always give 150% effort and from what I have read often worked extra hours helping the players work on their game. If I recall, he spent a great deal of time last year with Bell working on his 3 point shot.

 

[NineOneSeven]

But TOM BRADY was courtside that one time! (I'm a biased Bills fan)

 

[CuseCPT]

That’s fine. I’m just looking at things logically with the information I’ve been told. Admittedly, it’s from one side. If he cleared everything with compliance then there should be no worries. The issue seems to be more with personality.

Uggh. I know I said I was done, but let's say all of your assumptions are true. Everything was approved by the NCAA and the lawyers, we had millions and millions and millions of dollars in NIL just waiting for the flip to be switched to ON, and it was turned down because the Chancellor didn't like AW. You think the BoT would just let that slide?